I didn't want to let this go unanswered for too long, but I also wanted to be as clear and thorough as possible in my response, so it took me a while to compose this. You've added an additional thought since then, Albert...
Albert Doyle Wrote:While I might be totally out in left field about a leak helping Buchanan I have to add that I have seen cases where researchers missed important clues that led to a better understanding of the case and that it is better to speculate and be wrong than to miss important clues.
... but I think what I was going to say still applies, because if you
are still thinking there may have been a leak to my father, then you are indeed still "out in left field" about this. (Quick side note: I wouldn't put speculation on that much of a pedestal, if it involves mistaking unfounded assumptions for clues. But back to your earlier post: )
Albert Doyle Wrote:Marian Buchanan Wrote:This kind of speculation spreads false information, because people tend to forget that what they're reading is indeed totally speculative. The facts are very different:
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Sorry if it appeared that way but my wording clearly states a speculative intent.
I recognize you were careful in your wording in most places ("It is possible... could have... may have involved..."). The concern I was expressing was that people won't necessarily quote you verbatim when propagating this theory, or even register the degree of speculative intent in the first place. Because when reading anything written or hearing anything said, people in general often gloss over those kinds of qualifiers and leave with the impression that what's being said is founded on an adequate number of verifiable facts. The risk of that assumption is made greater by there being one spot where your wording comes across as a statement of fact ("so he chose Buchanan as a leak"). As a theory propagates through other people, it can tend to lose any careful qualifiers and get spread as information instead of speculation.
Albert Doyle Wrote:If it has no merit by all means part of the intention of that speculation is to spur discussion that further elucidates the issue.
If elucidating the issue is the goal, then it shouldn't be so hard to accept what I'm saying as sufficient elucidation based on my familiarity with my father's personality and work. But instead, you seem to be taking it as nothing more than an "opinion" that has no real impact on your continued speculation. Case in point:
Albert Doyle Wrote:However seeing your response I'm not sure it necessarily excludes insider sources one way or the other.
That's a bit of a Russell's Teapot argument. It makes it seem like you're very attached to your insider-leak theory, like you'll cling to it no matter what anyone says. Just as no one can disprove the existence of a teapot orbiting the Sun between the Earth and Mars, no one can disprove the existence of an insider-to-Buchanan leak of which there is no record or trace anywhere. So clingers gonna cling ;-) but I'm still hoping that's not what you're doing.
Albert Doyle Wrote:I'm sure many official-type insiders might not want to be associated with a known communist sympathizer
Three assumptions here:
1) That an insider would think it was a good idea to leak information to a journalist with whom they wouldn't want to be associated and whose writings on the matter could easily be perceived as non-credible (at least in the U.S.) because of the journalist's communist leanings. How exactly would that help the truth come out in a way that Americans would believe?
2) That my father was "known" by hypothesized insiders to be a communist. (He wasn't just a sympathizer). He was indeed known by the FBI, from back in the late 40s when he was the first American journalist to be fired explicitly for being a member of the Communist Party. But that doesn't mean he was known to be a communist by anyone who might have wanted to leak information to a journalist in 1963 or 64. At least, not until what he wrote about the assassination got attacked by people trying to discredit him and his theory. At which point, we're back to point #1: how would it serve an insider to leak information to a journalist who was under a credibility attack that used his communist ideals as an argument against his credibility?
3) If the thought is that my father might have been approached by an insider
before his credibility got attacked, the assumption is that he was known as a journalist (i.e. someone to whom one might leak information)
before he wrote about the Kennedy assassination. He wasn't. (Other than by the FBI, who knew him as an ex-reporter turned computer programmer and closed his file when he moved to France in 1961). It was my father's articles in l'Express that got his writing career rebooted. He had lost his first reporter job back in 1948 and was blacklisted in the U.S. thereafter, so although he continued to write for foreign papers as a freelancer even before moving to France, his journalistic work was no longer being published in the U.S. Although the facts about his 1948 firing were reported in Time magazine, not every potential insider would have necessarily paid attention to that at the time, and people have short memories anyway. I'm told there's no mention of his case in the books about blacklisting, so apparently he got very little attention after the initial media coverage. From soon after 1948 to 1963, there was no reason for anyone in the U.S. to be aware of him as a journalist. He didn't get any recognition for that until
after his writings about the Kennedy assassination started getting published (which, of course, prompted the FBI to re-open his file). But although l'Express published his analysis as a series of 6 articles over a period of time, he wrote it as a whole report
before it was shown to them or anyone else. So how would anyone have thought to leak information to him before he was even involved in writing about it? By the time it would have occurred to anyone who had such an intention, my father's theory was already formed. (And, as mentioned, his credibility was already under attack.)
Albert Doyle Wrote:so if there were I'm not sure how you would trace that?
That's the Russell's Teapot argument: you speculate something without a factual basis, then argue that the fact that there's no trace doesn't mean that it's not
possible. But just because something speculated can't be falsified, doesn't mean it's true or even a reasonable or well-reasoned belief.
Albert Doyle Wrote:I don't pretend to be an expert on this particular subject nor have I read the book. I've just read internet discussion of it and reviews. The only reason I speculated Bobby leaking is because he did so with the Russians via Walton so therefore Buchanan would not be too far a step from there.
Actually, it seems like quite a stretch to me, partly because I challenge the assumptions mentioned above. Also, the purpose of the message to the Russians seems to have been very different from the likely purpose of a leak to a journalist. But my main objection is that the speculation is based on another unsound assumption: that any information RFK gave to the Russians via Walton was anything more than a theory based on suspicions. You can
share a theory but you can't
leak it, you have to have actual knowledge or evidence for it to be a leak. I find it hard to believe that RFK had hard incriminating evidence without acting on it or, if it was insufficient in and of itself, at least keeping a record of it somewhere, if only for it to be pursued or revealed later in history.
Albert Doyle Wrote:In any case, not being able to give this the research it would require, I can't speak at all on the sources for this book and I'm not questioning your opinion.
Yes, you
are questioning what I'm saying: you're saying it doesn't disprove your insider-leak theory. But you're also painting what I'm saying as a mere opinion. So let me clarify what I'm stating: as one of several family members who lived with my father during the time he was writing about the Kennedy assassination, and talked about it with him later in life, I'm not
speculating that he didn't receive insider information, I'm saying that I
know he didn't. You're no doubt going to question that too, but before I address your anticipated response in more detail, let me finish replying to the rest of what you're saying in this paragraph:
Albert Doyle Wrote:However I think it is important to observe the fact that no man is an island and at some point in the chain your father had to have gotten information that, if it wasn't leaked directly to him, was so to others whom he somehow learned of.
That's a (let's say) 'interesting' juxtaposition: what I'm saying is my "opinion" and what you're saying is an observable "fact"? I'm afraid that's simply not true. One can argue that "no man is an island" is a "fact" fair enough, as a very, very general statement. But the structure of the sentence ("and...") implies that the rest of the sentence is factual too, which it most definitely is not. Instead, it's based on several unfounded assumptions: that there "had to" have been a leak, and that the information upon which my father based his theory "had to" have included whatever was allegedly leaked. Why? What points to it other than your disbelief that several people can arrive at similar conclusions when looking at the same available information?
Albert Doyle Wrote:The contents of Who Killed Kennedy? are close to Trumbo's Executive Action.
If so, so what? Why would you expect my father to be the only one who arrived at the conclusions he did? Several people coming to similar conclusions just means that the theory is not totally inconceivable. The fact that there are also several other theories out there means that, while not inconceivable, my father's theory is also not proven. I'm not saying this to evaluate anyone's theory as correct or incorrect one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that several theories can exist without being proven, and the fact that each theory has multiple proponents and multiple detractors means nothing at all about how each proponent of a theory came to adopt it. It certainly does not provide evidence of a leak.
Albert Doyle Wrote:I wish I could offer more but I am involved in serious other research. If there was no leaked source for you father's book then so be it and let the record be set straight.
You're still arguing, further above, that it
doesn't set the record straight, that there is still the possibility (I'd say even a suspicion on your part) of a leak I simply don't know about. I'm certainly trying to set the record straight, but in order for readers to accept the record, they have to let go of any unfalsifiable theories.
Albert Doyle Wrote:PS- No matter what their background, those who criticized the official story were heroes. I didn't mean to infer your father must have gotten help because he wasn't capable of seeing the obvious flaws in the ongoing information at the time. They were rampant and served as a source for one of the most questioned events in history. Seeing his background, his motives and capabilities were probably ideal and explain his being one of the earliest printed sources.
You added this edit after the fact, but you still left the Russell's Teapot argument in the earlier part of the post. So let me repeat: I'm not speculating that my father didn't receive insider information, I'm saying that I know he didn't.
I realize you probably want to object that I cannot be sure, that maybe he hid that fact from me and everyone else in the family, including my mother and later my stepmother, and never wrote down anything anywhere that would give it away. But again, that's the Russell's Teapot logic. It's not reasonable to rely on something unfounded and disregard what is well-founded through actually knowing a person and their work.
If we stick with what's consistent with my father's values and personality as I and the other members of his family knew him, then it has to be conceded as reasonable evidence that, if he
had received insider information, his family would have known about it sooner or later. At the time of his work reporting on and analyzing the JFK assassination, he shared his thoughts and discoveries with my mother all the time, formulating his theories out loud, telling her about the latest developments, reacting to other people's theories.
As a journalist, having a reliable insider source would have been a feather in his cap, and the man I knew would have been gleeful about it and would have wanted to share his excitement. Even if security precautions had necessitated he keep such a name private, he would have included my mother, and later my stepmother, in that circle of privacy. Clingers to the insider-leak theory might find room to doubt this, and there's no way to falsify any claim that my father went against his own personality, values, and habits, to hide something of which there is absolutely no evidence or trace. But to those of you who are reasonable, my information as an insider to the family dynamics and my father's way of being should suffice to convince you that he received no leaked information.
There's another reason why it would not be like him to keep the existence of a leak so secret that not a single soul could ever find out about it. He believed that truth was paramount, and would have found a way to make it known that his information came from a reliable inside source, even if he had to say that the source could not at that time be named.
If the source had been Robert Kennedy, then the latter's death would have freed my father to go public with that information.
He was not afraid to reveal information that powerful people might want suppressed, including information about the suppression efforts themselves (like the way he and Garrison had to find a way around the interference with Garrison's correspondence a fact that my father revealed in articles published in Europe that included his interviews of Garrison).
If there had been an inside source that my father still couldn't safely reveal by 1984, when his book Big Brother was published (about the FBI's surveillance of him over the years a perfect place to reveal this kind of secret), then he would have entrusted the information to one of his children, so that the truth could come out later in history.
But he did not. No end-of-life revelations to any of us, even though he had 4 years of a terminal illness to pass on his legacy (and did, in fact, ask one of his daughters to try to get his unpublished fiction manuscripts published once he was gone, so it's not like he hadn't given any thought to what could be published posthumously).
So the point of this long-winded response is to say: I realize I'm not going to convince anyone unreasonable who has already made up their mind and is attached to a pet theory. But to those of you who believe in truth and rational, critical thinking (just as my father did), I'm telling you: there is no reasonable evidence that my father received any insider leak and then hid that from his family and the public for the rest of his life.
As for the work-around theory that "no man is an island" means that "at some point in the chain" my father "had to" have gotten information that was leaked to "others" that sounds very much like grasping at straws. It
assumes a leak, with no real justification for making that assumption.
The truth is that, on any topic including this one, several unconnected people can come to similar conclusions as each other on the basis of available media reports. It may be less glamorous to recognize that fact than to invent a more thrilling explanation that can't be falsified, but sticking to the reasonable, evidence-based explanation is the more philosophically and intellectually sound thing to do.