On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics

[Scott Kaiser]

Here's how it all got started for me in tracking down the one man who was a "business partner" with my father, the companies name while they were in business was Jun-Ka Bros.

Rudy also owned Rudy's meet market on Red Road NW 57th Ave. where the Cubanos Unidos would meet. On my next tape in finding Rudy, I will say that we both engaged in a very interesting conversation. (The interesting conversation I have with Rudy is not on this link, I'm talking to Rudy's brother here, however, at first. I wasn't sure who it was talking to me).

Tracking Rudy:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...rother.MP3

Finding Rudy, this is my first conversation with him over the phone before we meet up in Miami. It takes a few conversations and meeting with him before he opens up to me about the incident my father did to the CIA. Rudy later tells me on a another tape that he has never spoken to anyone about the photo's my father stole from the CIA sense the death of my father. (Until now).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Junco.MP3

[Magda Hassan]

My life has taken me to similar landscapes such as where you are traveling. Soldiers, soldiers of fortune, the underworld and its denizens, heroes known and unknown and plenty of villains. For sure there is a surplus of testosterone and rampant ego. Wild tales told of wild adventures. Ripping yarns and boys own stories. But things do happen. Real people are involved in real adventures and crimes and wars both declared and undeclared. It is my general observation that none of them care about history or about the historical record or their role in that history. Not that they are unaware of it though some are. Just that it is never part of their motivation or their world view. If anything they much prefer to fly under the radar and not leave any traces of themselves. They don't want to get caught blow their elaborately worked for cover and have to explain in front of glaring media lights, die or go to jail for years. Those who fund them are usually 'respectable' be it a government agency or individual and they all want deniability from the crimes they commission. Remember there was no proof of MK ULTRA except that some one forgot to shred some of the financial records which were filed elsewhere and forgotten. No proof of Operation Norwoods except for one document misfiled found 40 years later by a researcher working on some thing else. There are few if any paper trails and nearly all the players are shady characters whose words are questionable or who can be painted so. Other know not to talk and never will. Others are dead. Friends are few. Communication is verbal not written. Some don't know how to even write. Some don't speak English.

I don't think you're wasting your time either. Are the Miami wise guys telling you the truth the whole truth and the only truth? I don't know. Do they even know the truth or have the whole big picture of the events? I don't think these guys are interested in history. Some people study it. Other people live it. They are telling you their stories and stories about your father. That's what led you to them. Gather what you can. Make of it what you will. I hope it makes a clearer and more detailed picture of your father's life for you. If you can share your discoveries on the public record for others to take and further explore that is wonderful and a generous act. If not for researchers who are trying to piece together the historical record with all its scratches and gaps then for other children out there looking for pieces of their lost fathers. There are a lot of orphans in the Borderlands.

[Scott Kaiser]

My life has taken me to similar landscapes such as where you are traveling. Soldiers, soldiers of fortune, the underworld and its denizens, heroes known and unknown and plenty of villains. For sure there is a surplus of testosterone and rampant ego. Wild tales told of wild adventures. Ripping yarns and boys own stories. But things do happen. Real people are involved in real adventures and crimes and wars both declared and undeclared. It is my general observation that none of them care about history or about the historical record or their role in that history. Not that they are unaware of it though some are. Just that it is never part of their motivation or their world view. If anything they much prefer to fly under the radar and not leave any traces of themselves. They don't want to get caught blow their elaborately worked for cover and have to explain in front of glaring media lights, die or go to jail for years. Those who fund them are usually 'respectable' be it a government agency or individual and they all want deniability from the crimes they commission. Remember there was no proof of MK ULTRA except that some one forgot to shred some of the financial records which were filed elsewhere and forgotten. No proof of Operation Norwoods except for one document misfiled found 40 years later by a researcher working on some thing else. There are few if any paper trails and nearly all the players are shady characters whose words are questionable or who can be painted so. Other know not to talk and never will. Others are dead. Friends are few. Communication is verbal not written. Some don't know how to even write. Some don't speak English.

I don't think you're wasting your time either. Are the Miami wise guys telling you the truth the whole truth and the only truth? I don't know. Do they even know the truth or have the whole big picture of the events? I don't think these guys are interested in history. Some people study it. Other people live it. They are telling you their stories and stories about your father. That's what led you to them. Gather what you can. Make of it what you will. I hope it makes a clearer and more detailed picture of your father's life for you. If you can share your discoveries on the public record for others to take and further explore that is wonderful and a generous act. If not for researchers who are trying to piece together the historical record with all its scratches and gaps then for other children out there looking for pieces of their lost fathers. There are a lot of orphans in the Borderlands.

Hi Magda,

I strongly believe the moment folks really started looking into Oswald's innocents is when he was arrested under a recorded time city wide search for Oswald.

Sense than, one theory has lead to another. If I had a dollar for every time someone said, "Here's just one more piece of the puzzle" I'd be a millionaire. I wonder, no one I know of, other than Weberman, has ever heard of my father. Do you suppose somewhere here is another puzzle piece? It always seems to be the guy least suspected or the one you just never heard of eh?

[Scott Kaiser]

Here's how it all got started for me in tracking down the one man who was a "business partner" with my father, the companies name while they were in business was Jun-Ka Bros.

Rudy also owned Rudy's meet market on Red Road NW 57th Ave. where the Cubanos Unidos would meet. On my next tape in finding Rudy, I will say that we both engaged in a very interesting conversation. (The interesting conversation I have with Rudy is not on this link, I'm talking to Rudy's brother here, however, at first. I wasn't sure who it was talking to me).

Tracking Rudy:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...rother.MP3

Finding Rudy, this is my first conversation with him over the phone before we meet up in Miami. It takes a few conversations and meeting with him before he opens up to me about the incident my father did to the CIA. Rudy later tells me on a another tape that he has never spoken to anyone about the photo's my father stole from the CIA sense the death of my father. (Until now).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Junco.MP3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...her%20.MP3

[Marc Ellis]

I'm not dismissing it. I am just not sure what it means.
I started at 544 Camp Street and I'm working my way forward and backward.

And you should be cautious. Naming names can lead to legal problems.
And the US justice system is designed for rich people to trample on people who
can't afford to pay lawyers.

I don't know your situation. I don't need to. But that's how it is.

[Scott Kaiser]

Here's how it all got started for me in tracking down the one man who was a "business partner" with my father, the companies name while they were in business was Jun-Ka Bros.

Rudy also owned Rudy's meet market on Red Road NW 57th Ave. where the Cubanos Unidos would meet. On my next tape in finding Rudy, I will say that we both engaged in a very interesting conversation. (The interesting conversation I have with Rudy is not on this link, I'm talking to Rudy's brother here, however, at first. I wasn't sure who it was talking to me).

Tracking Rudy:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...rother.MP3

Finding Rudy, this is my first conversation with him over the phone before we meet up in Miami. It takes a few conversations and meeting with him before he opens up to me about the incident my father did to the CIA. Rudy later tells me on a another tape that he has never spoken to anyone about the photo's my father stole from the CIA sense the death of my father. (Until now).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Junco.MP3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...her%20.MP3

Robert (Bob) Dwyer FBI agent:

This one is probably one of my most interesting conversations I ever had. I was looking for the FBI agent Robert Dwyer that followed and reported intelligence on members of Interpen, and other anti-Castro groups as well. Well, it just so happens that I found a man by the name of Dwyer who knew the Dwyer I was looking for in the FBI, and here's his story.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Dwyer.MP3

[Scott Kaiser]

Here's how it all got started for me in tracking down the one man who was a "business partner" with my father, the companies name while they were in business was Jun-Ka Bros.

Rudy also owned Rudy's meet market on Red Road NW 57th Ave. where the Cubanos Unidos would meet. On my next tape in finding Rudy, I will say that we both engaged in a very interesting conversation. (The interesting conversation I have with Rudy is not on this link, I'm talking to Rudy's brother here, however, at first. I wasn't sure who it was talking to me).

Tracking Rudy:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...rother.MP3

Finding Rudy, this is my first conversation with him over the phone before we meet up in Miami. It takes a few conversations and meeting with him before he opens up to me about the incident my father did to the CIA. Rudy later tells me on a another tape that he has never spoken to anyone about the photo's my father stole from the CIA sense the death of my father. (Until now).


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Junco.MP3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...her%20.MP3

Robert (Bob) Dwyer FBI agent:

This one is probably one of my most interesting conversations I ever had. I was looking for the FBI agent Robert Dwyer that followed and reported intelligence on members of Interpen, and other anti-Castro groups as well. Well, it just so happens that I found a man by the name of Dwyer who knew the Dwyer I was looking for in the FBI, and here's his story.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2067...0Dwyer.MP3

Wait to you hear what he has to say about the assassination of Kennedy, I'll post that conversation up next week. This is information coming right from the FBI.

[Scott Kaiser]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

I've never liked that statement. I've never agreed with it. It seems to me, extraordinary claims carry the same burden of persuasion as any other claims.

For example, if someone tells me they were held hostage by a goose wielding a Mannlicher-Carcano, the burden is upon that person to persuade me it's true with evidence that a goose can do that.

Once that burden has been met, I need to be persuaded that the event in question actually happened. There s nothing extraordinary at all about the process. It's simple fact-finding.

Anyway, I've always suspected that quote was a cliche. I hear it a lot. So tonight, I Wikied it.

Apparently, a man named Marcello Truzzi is given credit for it. And Carl Sagan popularized it. It may have derived from a much more sensible statement by David Hume,

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence"

I agree with that. Off the top of my head, it's hard for me to imagine a goose threatening people with a rifle - especially a Mannlicher-Carcano.

I don't know about Scott Kaiser's claim. The evidence I've seen hasn't persuaded me of anything. Even if it did, I wouldn't know what to conclude.

But I think the word extraordinary is subjective. Just show us the facts you have and tell us what you think they add up to.
----
p.s. Truzzi did have some interesting ideas about skepticism that I agree with.
Everybody here will recognize JFK "experts" who are what he called "pseudo-skeptics". ( I don't know Truzzi's own ideas on the assassination though.)

http://skeptopathy.com/wp/?m=201308

• The tendency to deny, rather than doubt
  
• Double standards in the application of criticism
  
• The making of judgments without full inquiry
  
• Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate
  
• Use of ridicule or attacks in lieu of arguments
  
• Pejorative labeling of proponents
  
• Presenting insufficient evidence or proof
  
• Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof
  
• Making unsubstantiated counter-claims
  
• Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence
  
• Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it
  

Hi Marc,

I agree with what you say when you say, Just show us the facts you have and tell us what you think they add up to.

This is my fact finding material.

1. I have discovered some CIA documents classified as "Secret" titled "Sensitive" which explains my father having the photos. In all the CIA documents I've read over the years I have never seen one document titled Sensitive.

2. I tracked down and located Rudy Junco who tells me that he drove my father to the CIA's Headquarters in Miami where my father presented a fraudulent ID to gain entrance to the building where upon his visit there my father stole the photographs. Rudy witnessed my father having the photo's.

3. I spoke to Nino Diaz who also seen the photo's and remembers my father. I have our conversation on audio recorder.

4. I have spoken to Tony Calatayud who heard that my father had these photos, and knew that Frank Sturgis is on the list for the possible relation to the assassination of President Kennedy, although, Tony does not want to believe it still remains.

5. I have spoken to Luis Posada who says he knew about my father's group which was in his words a very "cloak and dagger" group.

6. My mother who is first hand witness to the photo's my father had, and the tapes he carried says she saw the photo's of the men standing outside a motel in Dallas, I asked her how would she know it was a Dallas motel? She replied in the photo's she saw the sign that said Motel Dallas.

7. Rudy told me the same thing on tape.

8. On the morning of my father's death he woke me up earlier than normal before I went to school, he asked that I go into the bathroom and wash my face, (so I did). I believe he wanted my attention, as he started to talk to me he said, "I want you to know that your uncle Frank is not as nice as you think is". Later that day, my father was killed, the attache briefcase my father always carried around with him was no where to be found after his murder. Frank Sturgis and Richard Poyle picked up my father for work that day. My mother asked the FBI for my father's attache case, she said that everyone kept telling her that they had no idea what she was talking about.

It' not that hard to find out that my father did own an attache briefcase.

9. My father also stole over 180 index cards from U.S. Customs.

10. My father was also stealing classified documents out of officers buildings from different Air Force Bases. My father would impersonate a lieutenant in the U.S. Army to gain access of these bases, my father would soon be under investigation for impersonating an officer, but all charges were dropped.

I could go on, but, I suppose no one would believe me.

I'm just curious, I have a question to ask all the professional researchers here, should all the information I posted above be dismissed? I would appreciate your honest opinions. Wondering, if I'm just wasting my time by talking to certain folks in Miami. Thank you for your honest answers. I will respect them all.


Scott

Interesting, here we have in this forum all these professors, researchers, historians, scholars, teachers, journalists and authors, but not one person can comment to my question. Could it be that those who are to pretentiousness may not want to ruin their statue? As I said, I would respect everyone answer's, but not one can answer, interesting.

It makes my laugh when someone always seems to think they have all the answers, but refuse to look into real material. I suppose, who wants to listen to the new kid when others having been chasing a ghost and reading documents for 50 years eh?

Oh well, I didn't think anyone could come up with an honest answer to my question anyways.

[Scott Kaiser]

I've never liked that statement. I've never agreed with it. It seems to me, extraordinary claims carry the same burden of persuasion as any other claims.

For example, if someone tells me they were held hostage by a goose wielding a Mannlicher-Carcano, the burden is upon that person to persuade me it's true with evidence that a goose can do that.

Once that burden has been met, I need to be persuaded that the event in question actually happened. There s nothing extraordinary at all about the process. It's simple fact-finding.

Anyway, I've always suspected that quote was a cliche. I hear it a lot. So tonight, I Wikied it.

Apparently, a man named Marcello Truzzi is given credit for it. And Carl Sagan popularized it. It may have derived from a much more sensible statement by David Hume,



I agree with that. Off the top of my head, it's hard for me to imagine a goose threatening people with a rifle - especially a Mannlicher-Carcano.

I don't know about Scott Kaiser's claim. The evidence I've seen hasn't persuaded me of anything. Even if it did, I wouldn't know what to conclude.

But I think the word extraordinary is subjective. Just show us the facts you have and tell us what you think they add up to.
----
p.s. Truzzi did have some interesting ideas about skepticism that I agree with.
Everybody here will recognize JFK "experts" who are what he called "pseudo-skeptics". ( I don't know Truzzi's own ideas on the assassination though.)

http://skeptopathy.com/wp/?m=201308

• The tendency to deny, rather than doubt
  
• Double standards in the application of criticism
  
• The making of judgments without full inquiry
  
• Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate
  
• Use of ridicule or attacks in lieu of arguments
  
• Pejorative labeling of proponents
  
• Presenting insufficient evidence or proof
  
• Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof
  
• Making unsubstantiated counter-claims
  
• Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence
  
• Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it
  

Hi Marc,

I agree with what you say when you say, Just show us the facts you have and tell us what you think they add up to.

This is my fact finding material.

1. I have discovered some CIA documents classified as "Secret" titled "Sensitive" which explains my father having the photos. In all the CIA documents I've read over the years I have never seen one document titled Sensitive.

2. I tracked down and located Rudy Junco who tells me that he drove my father to the CIA's Headquarters in Miami where my father presented a fraudulent ID to gain entrance to the building where upon his visit there my father stole the photographs. Rudy witnessed my father having the photo's.

3. I spoke to Nino Diaz who also seen the photo's and remembers my father. I have our conversation on audio recorder.

4. I have spoken to Tony Calatayud who heard that my father had these photos, and knew that Frank Sturgis is on the list for the possible relation to the assassination of President Kennedy, although, Tony does not want to believe it still remains.

5. I have spoken to Luis Posada who says he knew about my father's group which was in his words a very "cloak and dagger" group.

6. My mother who is first hand witness to the photo's my father had, and the tapes he carried says she saw the photo's of the men standing outside a motel in Dallas, I asked her how would she know it was a Dallas motel? She replied in the photo's she saw the sign that said Motel Dallas.

7. Rudy told me the same thing on tape.

8. On the morning of my father's death he woke me up earlier than normal before I went to school, he asked that I go into the bathroom and wash my face, (so I did). I believe he wanted my attention, as he started to talk to me he said, "I want you to know that your uncle Frank is not as nice as you think is". Later that day, my father was killed, the attache briefcase my father always carried around with him was no where to be found after his murder. Frank Sturgis and Richard Poyle picked up my father for work that day. My mother asked the FBI for my father's attache case, she said that everyone kept telling her that they had no idea what she was talking about.

It' not that hard to find out that my father did own an attache briefcase.

9. My father also stole over 180 index cards from U.S. Customs.

10. My father was also stealing classified documents out of officers buildings from different Air Force Bases. My father would impersonate a lieutenant in the U.S. Army to gain access of these bases, my father would soon be under investigation for impersonating an officer, but all charges were dropped.

I could go on, but, I suppose no one would believe me.

I'm just curious, I have a question to ask all the professional researchers here, should all the information I posted above be dismissed? I would appreciate your honest opinions. Wondering, if I'm just wasting my time by talking to certain folks in Miami. Thank you for your honest answers. I will respect them all.


Scott

Interesting, here we have in this forum all these professors, researchers, historians, scholars, teachers, journalists and authors, but not one person can comment to my question. Could it be that those who are to pretentiousness may not want to ruin their statue? As I said, I would respect everyone answer's, but not one can answer, interesting.

It makes my laugh when someone always seems to think they have all the answers, but refuse to look into real material. I suppose, who wants to listen to the new kid when others having been chasing a ghost and reading documents for 50 years eh?

Oh well, I didn't think anyone could come up with an honest answer to my question anyways.

For those who appreciate history, and wish to see a different view through the eye of Edwin Kaiser's 8mm camera recording Kennedy's funeral, here it is. You know, I always wondered if criminals ever really do return to the scene of their crimes? Things that make you go Hmmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnBR0RgltjU

[Ken Garretson]

Mr. Kaiser,

I'm just a nobody around here, but I do try to be a discerning consumer of matters related to JFK.

i find your information interesting. I'm sure others do too.

I'm also pretty sure that a defensive attitude may not be in your best interest.

I suspect many looking at your material are not replying simply because they are judicious and cautious with regard to any historical material. If I were you I wouldn't read too much into that. Those whose opinions are respected here certainly didn't get that way by jumping to conclusions, one way or another. Give 'em some room ;-)

Thanks for sharing,

Ken