Peter Lemkin Wrote:I know Plumlee well and met with him for many years. I have photos of him from all through his life. That is him...and he has admitted it is him [but that alone doesn't absolutely mean it is so!!!] He has named the date and the occasion to me - and even that Hopsicker got wrong or was told wrong. Eye color/shade is the easiest thing to tamper with in a photo and we know how intelligence-related photos can be tampered with - but can also just change with ambient lighting and flash, etc. Besides, knowing the nature of the meeting and the others there, Plumlee would fit, and Sturgis would not. In your google search url above, even that photo is listed! Check out the hairline and face structure. If it is not Plumlee, it is someone other than Sturgis...but my bet and belief and word from Plumlee is it is Plumlee.
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Thanks for the clarification on the pic Peter. It's definitely Tosh.
I too wish Tosh would explain about the Redbird flight. When I read it in JFK and the Unspeakable years ago I emailed Tosh asking him if this was HIS flight but he never replied.
He does not post on forums anymore -for the reason he has always given- that no one really responds. He has a lot of response on his facebook page where he is very active.
I am way too busy with work right now to try to begin to untangle this whole incident. Tosh is forthcoming about so very much I wonder why he won't set his story along side Wayne January's and try to make it all make some sense. I have started to re-read JFKU.
What he called me about on Sat is the alleged release of LHO and ONI records. I had not heard about it. Anyone here?
Bill Kelly where are you??
Peter Lemkin Wrote:I know Plumlee well and met with him for many years. I have photos of him from all through his life. That is him...and he has admitted it is him [but that alone doesn't absolutely mean it is so!!!] He has named the date and the occasion to me - and even that Hopsicker got wrong or was told wrong. Eye color/shade is the easiest thing to tamper with in a photo and we know how intelligence-related photos can be tampered with - but can also just change with ambient lighting and flash, etc. Besides, knowing the nature of the meeting and the others there, Plumlee would fit, and Sturgis would not. In your google search url above, even that photo is listed! Check out the hairline and face structure. If it is not Plumlee, it is someone other than Sturgis...but my bet and belief and word from Plumlee is it is Plumlee.
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Thanks for the clarification on the pic Peter. It's definitely Tosh.
I too wish Tosh would explain about the Redbird flight. When I read it in JFK and the Unspeakable years ago I emailed Tosh asking him if this was HIS flight but he never replied.
He does not post on forums anymore -for the reason he has always given- that no one really responds. He has a lot of response on his facebook page where he is very active.
I am way too busy with work right now to try to begin to untangle this whole incident. Tosh is forthcoming about so very much I wonder why he won't set his story along side Wayne January's and try to make it all make some sense. I have started to re-read JFKU.
What he called me about on Sat is the alleged release of LHO and ONI records. I had not heard about it. Anyone here?
Bill Kelly where are you??
Dawn
Plumlee has long [since I discovered the Smith-January version] refused, only citing 'reasons' relating to how 'researchers' 'twist' things, to help me (or anyone else) reconcile his version of events at RedBird that day [which I have in gory detail] with that of January [which we now have in gory detail]. They have parts that match/overlap and other, very significant parts, that do not! January had no reason I can think of (or imagine) to lie, and was so frightened by the two incidents at his airport both related to the JFK assassination, he refused to talk to me and Marrs - and only spoke, later, to Smith on the promise he not release it all until he and his wife were dead! Yet Plumlee still holds to his original version, apparently - and had long ago told me to 'Peter find January and ask him if I wasn't there and it didn't happen as I said.' Go figure......::. I'll note that much of what Plumlee told me about his life - in fact the greatest part of it - could be verified and seemed to 'check out'...but some of the events he related about Dallas remain as clouded in 'fog' now as they did when I first heard them [and spent years and much effort trying to verify] over 20 years ago, sadly.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Could be Sturgis, but Sturgis nose appears wider.
No, I think that's Sabow. Another casualty of the shadow fascist government. He died a shotgun "suicide" death after discovering CIA cocaine smuggling at his airbase.
I agree high tech analysis could be put to the hidden face man photo.
Tosh has been on this case for years. Definitely murder.
It was stated in Barry and the Boys that this was William Seymour. Apparently this is a picture of Seymour:
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from Spartacus Educational which doesn't (to me) look much like the guy in the Operation 40 picture.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Albert Doyle Wrote:If it is Tosh can he identify who is sitting in front of him?
Of course he COULD, but I would bet mucho dinero you nor I nor anyone will get him to say. ::darthvader::
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Drew Phipps Wrote:It was stated in Barry and the Boys that this was William Seymour. Apparently this is a picture of Seymour:
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from Spartacus Educational which doesn't (to me) look much like the guy in the Operation 40 picture.
Barry and Boys was a nice attempt....and even the location of that picture makes the entire book worth it, but there are many factual errors in the book. I would personally not take much from that book, without finding a second source.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Albert Doyle Wrote:If it is Tosh can he identify who is sitting in front of him?
Scott Kaiser has said he can identify all of those people in the picture.Why not just ask Scott?
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.â€
Buckminster Fuller
:. I'll note that much of what Plumlee told me about his life - in fact the greatest part of it - could be verified and seemed to 'check out'...but some of the events he related about Dallas remain as clouded in 'fog' now as they did when I first heard them [and spent years and much effort trying to verify] over 20 years ago, sadly.