Crossing the Evidence Chasm

[Jim Hargrove]

There are at least some people out there who believe the Warren Commission Report got it right for one simple reason: They believe the physical evidence illustrated in the Report is genuine. Were these people to become convinced that much of the evidence is bogus, many WC supporters, perhaps including some in Big Media, might well change their opinions.

Here are my candidates for the five best examples of how evidence presented by the Warren Commission was simply bullshit:

1. THE SECRET CONFISCATION OF "OSWALD'S POSSESSIONS" BY THE FBI ON 11/23/63.

This altered evidence is at the top of my list because it proves two things: 1) Oswald's possessions were secretly taken by the FBI the day after the assassination and secretly returned to Dallas Police three days later, giving the Bureau ample time to do things such as substituting a Minox light meter for a Minox "spy camera" and much, much more, and 2) that Warren Commission testimony was deliberately altered to obscure important facts. The evidence of this was the altered testimony of FBI evidence specialist James Cadigan.






2. CE399: THE MAGIC BULLET

It's an oldie but still a goodie. How many people actually believe CE399 did all the damage Arlen Specter attributed to it?





3. THE PHONEY IMAGES OF "OSWALD" IN MEXICO CITY.

Many people still believe that "Lee Harvey Oswald" traveled to Mexico City and visited the Cuban Consulate and the Soviet Embassy there weeks before the assassination. Since the CIA had multiple "pulse" camera and backup cameras trained on the entrances of both offices, how come no one can come up with an actual photograph of "Oswald" in Mexico City?





At top above is the photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" at the Cuban
Consulate given to the HSCA by Cuba. Below that is the
CIA's version of "Oswald" at the Russian Embassy. How
can anyone believe Oswald was there?

4. THE UNCASHED, UNPROCESSED RIFLE MONEY ORDER

Warren Commission defenders often present CE788 as "proof" that Oswald, under then name "Hidell," ordered the rifle that killed President Kennedy. There are many, many problems with that position, but let's just consider the fact that the so-called money order was never cashed or processed, as you can plainly see from the evidence itself:


The only stamp on the back appears to be from Klein's Sporting Goods, Inc. (The circular image bottom left is bleed-though from the front of the document.) The various initials dated November 1963 are by Federal employees who handled the document after the assassination. There is not a single stamp or imprint from a receiving bank or financial institution for this so-called money order.


5. KLEIN'S IRRELEVANT DEPOSIT SLIP FOR THE RIFLE "PAYMENT"

The Warren Commission apparently expected us to believe that the deposit slip reproduced below showed that Klein's banked "Oswald's" payment for the murder rifle. Let's take a look at this so-called "evidence:"




From HarveyandLee.net: Now, let's take a look at this deposit slip as shown in the Warren Volumes. First, there is no bank stamp or date stamp on this deposit slip. Second, look at the DATE on this deposit slip (not the list of individual amounts) and you will see that it is dated February 15, 1963--a month before Oswald's order was even received by Klein's....a month before!! This was the ONLY deposit slip presented by the Commission, yet they knowingly used this deposit slip, dated February 15, 1963, to help prove that Oswald ordered a mail-order rifle from Klein's on March 12, 1963. The FBI and Warren Commission also used dubious paper copies, allegedly from Klein's microfilm, to link Oswald to the rifle and frame him for the assassination.

There is no credible evidence whatsoever linking Lee Harvey Oswald to the rifle that allegedly assassinated President Kennedy. None! And if Oswald never ordered nor had possession of the Mannlicher Carcano rifle, then the photo of Oswald on the cover of Life magazine was a deliberate attempt to frame him, as was placing the rifle on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository where he was employed.

ALL THE IMPORTANT EVIDENCE IS FRAUDULENT.

Get more people to understand what most people here have known for a long time, and Bullshit Mountain will begin to crumble.

Make people understand that "Oswald" was a U.S. Intelligence project, and the professional disinformation agents will be forced to begin a whole new tap dance. Wouldn't that be fun?

[Albert Doyle]

At 25:10 of this video of Clint Hill's book signing he says:


"Most of the grey matter had been removed and was scattered about the limousine". He's talking about the wound to the right rear of JFK's head he stared in to when he jumped on to the limousine.

The original 1500 gram brain the Commission photographed and presented in evidence was completely intact and undamaged in this same area. This is proof beyond a doubt, from their own records, of a swapped brain and therefore government conspiracy:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYpY8zI_wwA


(I would show a photo of the Commission's brain but I can't because the criminal United States Government has buried it and made it unavailable because it exposes their crime.)


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[Tracy Riddle]

Regarding the Blonde Oswald photo: I just recently read on EF that the photo did not come from the Cubans, and the man has been identified as a Russian translator.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....517&page=8

[Jim Hargrove]

This Mexico City stuff gets messy in a hurry, but I think there is considerable evidence that the Cubans claimed to have photos of someone identifying himself as "Oswald" at the Cuban Embassy/Consulate. Following is from the Armstrong Collection at Baylor.



None too sure the descriptions match the photos we have, however, the HSCA must have taken them seriously, because they reproduced them in a 7/30/78 press release seeking help in identifying the person. John Armstrong believes Azcue gave the photos to Ed Rabel of CBS News; Bill Simpich indicates somewhere that he thinks he has identified the person depicted, but I don't recall the details. There's also this document indicating HSCA's Gary Cornwall got the photos well before the interview referenced above:



Hope above is legible; it won't seem to expand properly.

Anyway, since both Azcue and Duran remembered a short "Oswald" with blond hair inside the Cuban office who didn't look anything like the "Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby, and since Castro clearly took the "Oswald" sighting seriously, it seems hard to deny that someone--however bizarrely--was trying to sheep deep Oswald and Cuba yet again. Had none of this happened, I suspect Castro would have said so. Why wouldn't he?

[Jim Hargrove]

At 25:10 of this video of Clint Hill's book signing he says:


"Most of the grey matter had been removed and was scattered about the limousine". He's talking about the wound to the right rear of JFK's head he stared in to when he jumped on to the limousine.

The original 1500 gram brain the Commission photographed and presented in evidence was completely intact and undamaged in this same area. This is proof beyond a doubt, from their own records, of a swapped brain and therefore government conspiracy:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYpY8zI_wwA


(I would show a photo of the Commission's brain but I can't because the criminal United States Government has buried it and made it unavailable because it exposes their crime.)


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I gave up on all the body alteration stuff when the noise got so loud, but if someone could post a concise version of the above, it would be nifty indeed. Surely there is a version somewhere of this vanished photo you're talking about.

[David Josephs]

So Jim...

Azcue says he had photos of the man calling himself Oswald... The real problem with Mexico is that in light of all the contradictory evidence and PROOF that the Oswald on tape and image was NOT Ruby's Oswald, Hoover, FBI, CIA, STATE etal still cling to the idea that Oswald was in Mexico...

In pure WCR fashion, he couldn't have been at Odio's since he was on a bus to Mexico...

A thought occurs... creating evidence that puts Oswald in Mexico may have been done to counter-act the Odio incident. It's hard to believe that the FBI did not know where Oswald was until the 10/10 cable from the CIA but possible. In fact the Evidence offers they did not know where he was until M PAINE tells them on Nov 1st.

On Sept 28th a LEE OSWALD was also seen in Dallas at the Sportsdrome... do we think this was the Odio Oswald?

[Jim Hargrove]

Hey, DJ,

My current theory is that some time around the last two months of JFK's life, the biography of "Lee Harvey Oswald," which previously could be explained with merely(!) two individuals, on several times degenerated into a biographical fog. Mexico City days and Alice, Texas and environs come immediately to mind, and in these are a few other instances it is simply impossible to tell who's who and exactly what is going on. Maybe this biographical "fog" was deliberate and planned. Think of the advantages....

It makes it impossible for investigators to determine even the simplest facts about "Lee Harvey Oswald" with certainty. It virtually ensures that eye-witness accounts will be contradictory and ultimately discounted. Maybe....

But I think something real involving Oswald impostors happened in Mexico City. If this was just some sort of CIA paperwork charade, a molehunt or whatever device you want to consider, the Cubans simply wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

Hope work is going well completing your write-up. Good luck!

[Albert Doyle]

I gave up on all the body alteration stuff when the noise got so loud, but if someone could post a concise version of the above, it would be nifty indeed. Surely there is a version somewhere of this vanished photo you're talking about.

As far as I know the first photo was shown to autopsy photographer Knudsen by another autopsy photographer. It showed a complete brain sitting next to Kennedy's corpse at Bethesda prior to the brain autopsy. This photo then disappeared from the autopsy photos. This was obviously the substitute brain being prepared for swapping.

The next photo was one of this brain allegedly after the autopsy. It was almost entirely intact and showed some very slight damage in the right forward area suggesting the damage caused by the shot to the head from the Depository. This is the photo that was shown originally but then quietly disappeared into the NARA archive.

The final version was the Dox drawing that showed extensive damage indicating the wound seen in Zapruder. It is slightly ruptured in the back with an increasing severity of damage as you go towards the right front, indicating the same shot from the Depository. The Dox drawing is evidence that the conspirators realized the brain wasn't damaged enough and would give the game away. As the witnessing and Zapruder Film started to come in they probably realized they hadn't presented a damaged enough brain. Hence the shuffling out of sight of the NARA photo and introduction of the Dox drawing. Typical of WCR methods I guess they thought they could get away with having two different representations of the brain if one was a drawing.


The person with the best talent on these kind of things is probably DiEugenio. I think if he went after it he could really concisely detail the evidence. The reason I focus on this in Varnell-type fashion is because it is strictly irrefutable and simple. It comes from their own evidence, and can be shown easily without any wiggle room. This is case-cracking proof of conspiracy (If the numerous other examples weren't enough already).

[Jim Hargrove]

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The person with the best talent on these kind of things is probably DiEugenio. I think if he went after it he could really concisely detail the evidence. The reason I focus on this in Varnell-type fashion is because it is strictly irrefutable and simple. It comes from their own evidence, and can be shown easily without any wiggle room. This is case-cracking proof of conspiracy (If the numerous other examples weren't enough already).

I'm way out of my league here on the medical evidence, but the detailed response is appreciated.

What I was hoping to put together, though, were pieces of evidence that, in a very brief look, are likely to be seen by average people as clearly falsified. If we had the visual evidence you refer to, this might be a powerful argument. Without that evidence, the argument relies on memories and descriptions such as you've provided, the very type of thing propagandists work endlessly to distort.

[Albert Doyle]

What I was hoping to put together, though, were pieces of evidence that, in a very brief look, are likely to be seen by average people as clearly falsified. If we had the visual evidence you refer to, this might be a powerful argument. Without that evidence, the argument relies on memories and descriptions such as you've provided, the very type of thing propagandists work endlessly to distort.

I've run this by the worst deniers and they've flopped embarrassingly and quit to a man.