Hi all, this is my first thread, I'm a n00b. Been around the JFK research thing about a year. Thought I'd dedicate this first post to a previously unstudied individual - but one who could potentially be very important.
This thread is about Boise B Smith, deputy chief of police reporting directly to Curry.
In the Batchelor exhibit CE-5002 on page 1, this fellow is listed as "Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission".
Sounds like a pretty important guy, yes? And yet, no one knows anything about him. No one ever asked him where he was or what he was up to on Nov 22 1963. There is no record whatsoever of him having been questioned or interviewed by the DPD, DPS, FBI, or any other investigative agency. No Warren Commission, no HSCA... nothing. Even Garrison didn't find this guy interesting.
However, you and I here, are probably going to find this gentleman considerably interesting. The only other clue we have about Boise B Smith comes from p. 201 of the interesting persons file at NARA, where his signature is shown at the bottom, it says: Col, USAR, Ret.
So.... I did a little checking on this fellow, beginning with Google, where I found several things. First, Boise B Smith's mom is a society lady, she gets written up in the society column. Here's an entry from Dec 23 1943 (remember the date, it's important):
Quote:Mr and Mrs. Herbert F. Gale had as their guests on Tuesday, Capt. Boise B. Smith and family of Dallas. Captain Smith who is a son of Mrs. Gale, has just returned after four­teen months of duty with the Air Forces in Alaska. He has been selected by the Army to enter the Military Government branch of service and will take additional training at Camp Custer, Mich, before going overseas. Elsie Smith Parker, a daughter of Mrs Gale, also arrived on Tuesday from Chicago. Mrs. Parker is editor for the National Association of Real Estate Boards.
So fine, Col Boise B Smith has a military record, in the army. He was apparently with the Army Air Forces in Alaska, which would probably put him in the Aleutians. Now, he's being trained in something before being shipped overseas. Next step would be, see if we can find anything on his military record, and without too much trouble, we find him at Camp Custer. And now it gets interesting. Third one from the bottom.
This is US Army, US Forces European Theater, G-5 Civil Affairs
Now, I'll state in passing that there are newspaper clippings putting Col Smith in the DPD as early as 1934, and placing him as head of the Traffic Division in 1939. So it looks like he may have been in the Reserve already at that point, and gotten called up.
So now, G-5 Civil Affairs in the European Theater is SHAEF, their mission was specifically the administration of newly occupied territories and it included a hodgepodge of special skills like "asset valuation and preservation", which officers were euphemistically called the "Monument Men". There is plenty of history on the Civil Affairs program in WW-2, but basically it started right around Jan 1 1944, and new officers would typically go to a US University for 3 months (in Boise Smith's case it was the University of Michigan), and then they'd go to Shrivenham a few miles outside of London, which as the SHAEF Civil Affairs school, and after some time there they'd be posted in theater.
Then in 1950, Boise B Smith is back at the Dallas PD, and in 1955 we have him attending a Civil Defense Conference in Boston.
Other than family photos, this is one of the few public pictures of Boise B Smith. This picture is taken at the newly opened Dallas Emergency Operations Center, which was located directly below the Health and Science Museum at the Dallas Fairgrounds. That's Boise standing by the blast doors.
So. continuing the saga of Boise B Smith, it seems that during the war he was G-5 Civil Affairs in the European Theater, which would make him one of Eisenhower's "warrior-diplomats".
Boise B Smith was on the training staff. The Civil Affairs recruits were mostly professional people, reservists with special skills called up for the duration of the war. The average age was 40 when the program began, lowering somewhat thereafter. These were accountants, architects, people who could contribute to "administration of occupied territories". It's worth checking out the miserable look on some of their faces as they're traipsing through Shrivenham in full pack, lol.
Okay, so.... guess what Boise B Smith was actually doing with these people?
He was teaching them how to use a pistol.
Our friend Boise, it seems, was a crack shot. One of the best the Army had to offer. And while he was training others, he was also being trained, in Civil Affairs.
It's most enlightening to look at the "Blue Book" of the G-5 crew at SHAEF, to see what these people were actually doing. You could call it... "nation-building", in a way. Begin with de-nazification, then ensure food and water and medical needs are met, then identify individuals who are capable of leadership, then work with them and elevate them so things start getting done. And of course, while you're doing that there's a whole separate activity of identifying "un"-desirables and somehow removing them from the equation. Civil affairs and intelligence go hand in hand. OSS records show they spent a lot of time answering inquiries from G-5 Civil Affairs HQ.
The newspaper clippings I've found so far seem to indicate that Boise B Smith was already a deputy chief when he left the DPD, which would have been 14 months before Dec 1943, so about Oct of 1942. By 1950 he's definitely back at the DPD with that same job title - and he still has that job title in 1963, along with his additional role as Director of the Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. (That latter role had previously been filled by Col John W Mayo, up until 1962 sometime).
The interesting thing about this fellow is, he has no staff. All the other Deputy Chiefs of the DPD have staff. This guy... nothing. So, either he mapped out all the shelters all by himself (doubtful), or, someone else provided the staff (more likely).
So now, this guy Boise B Smith, is one half of the Civil Defense team in Dallas in 1963. The other half, is Lt Col John Alston ("Jack") Crichton, who is the director of the actual Dallas Emergency Operations Center. Crichton is the guy with the codes, he's the guy who has to be hip to the daily emergency protocols and so on. But Boise B Smith is on the civilian side, he's doing shelter planning and that kind of thing. These two people have to work hand in hand, their jobs would make their paths cross many times in many ways. For instance, communications - if your mayor and police chief have a designated shelter "other than" the main EOC, then there has to be some kind of communication in place to these heads of government. That would take both Crichton and Smith, to make such links happen.
Boise B Smith, it turns out, also knows Harold Byrd, the owner of the Texas School Book Depository building. Boise B Smith Jr is listed as an insider in SEC reports pertaining to Lone Star Industries.
Col Smith's counterpart, Jack Crichton, is of course a very interesting fellow in his own right. Fabian Escalante, the head of Cuban intelligence at the time, claims in his book that in 1959, in his capacity as Vice President and head of Eisenhower's National Security Council, Richard Nixon selected Jack Crichton and George HW Bush to organize private fundraising for Operation 40. Crichton knew "everyone", he was heavily connected into the Dallas oil community (being a top-notch oil man himself, having discovered what was at that time the largest oil field in the world, in Kuwait), he was business partners with DH Byrd, HL Hunt, and George de Mohrenschildt. And he was also a member of the Dallas Petroleum Club, at the same time David Atlee Phillips was a member there. Crichton's 488th Reserve Military Intelligence unit included important JFK figures like Westbrook, Gannaway, Revill, and even Winston Lawson. Crichton is also responsible for selecting Marina's first translator Ilya Mamantov, when the DPD first interviewed her - and it seems he substantially mistranslated Marina's statements to make it look like she was implicating her husband.
We know what Crichton was doing at 12:30 on Nov 22, he was attending a luncheon at the Adolphus Hotel.
However we have no idea what Boise B Smith was doing at the time. No one ever asked him.
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Welcome to the forum, Brian. Interesting research - I've never even heard of Boise Smith.
Hi Tracy, thank you for your welcome, it's nice to be here.
There must be a civil defense angle to this case. Two hours after the assassination it was public knowledge that the president had been shot, and the news was carrying reports that the Coast Guard was tracking an unidentified submarine off the coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Half the president's cabinet was in a plane midway over the Pacific, and Dean Rusk the Secretary of State at the time, who was on that plane, is quoted as saying, "Where's the government now?" No one knew. If ever there was reason for a Civil Defense (including disaster and continuity of government) event, this was it.
Meanwhile, only one theater commander (CINCPAC) raised the alert status by one notch. The generals it seems, weren't worried about any of this.
The interesting thing about Mr. Crichton, is his people would have been called to provide support for the president's visit, specifically in the area of communications. The president traveled with a "mobile white house" that consisted usually of two PBX's, and on that day there was so much traffic that they had to install additional switching capability, and the act of installing it took down the phone system for over an hour. There are rumors that the Emergency Operations Center was in use and active that day, however I've been unable to track down the source of these rumors.
The other way Crichton fits into the JFK case though, is that a lot of members of his 488th have important roles in what appears to be some kind of framing and cover-up around Oswald. Captain William Westbrook was a member of Crichton's 488th, and as the DPD's Chief of Personnel he was a desk jockey, he almost never participated in field investigations. And yet he turns up at every single one of the critical events related to Oswald, he's at the TSBD, he's at the Tippit scene (twice), and he's at the Texas Theater. Sgt Gerald Hill had been temporarily assigned to Westbrook's staff just weeks earlier, after returning from a month-long recruiting tour at the local colleges. Westbrook is the guy who's filmed by WFAA newsman Ron Reiland, at the scene of the Tippit shooting, handling the mysterious "other wallet", which supposedly someone handed to reserve officer Kenneth Croy, who then handed it to Sgt. Owens who then handed it to Westbrook, who then (according to Barrett) yells over to FBI Agent Bob Barrett, "Have you ever heard of a Lee Harvey Oswald? How about an Alec Hidell?"
Westbrook is also the guy who parks at the back of the Texas Theater, and so when the white-shirted Oswald double is escorted out the back of the theater (as witnessed by Butch Burroughs from inside the theater, and Bernard Haire from outside of the theater), Westbrook is logically one of the officers who would have left the back way.
But it's not just Westbrook. Revill was a member of the 488th Reserve too, and he's the one who perjured himself regarding the testimony of Charles Givens. (Not that that's anything unusual, it seems half the DPD perjured itself to the Warren Commission...) There seems to be some kind of pattern around the activities of these 488th guys.
Another interesting thing - is that Jack Crichton says he left the Adolphus Hotel and "walked down to Elm St" to observe the motorcade. He says he was close enough to the motorcade to see Jackie "resplendent in her pill box hat". Well, if you look at the map, a walk from the Adolphus Hotel to "Elm St" would put Crichton directly on the corner of Houston and Elm. He had to be practically standing right in front of the TSBD, or at the very most catty-corner, and yet he claims that after the motorcade passed by he went directly back to the Adolphus and resumed his luncheon, and didn't hear the shots, and didn't see the pigeons fluttering off the roof of the TSBD, and didn't notice the sirens or the noise from the crowd which he was supposedly paying attention to.
So... the temporary interruption in local Secret Service telephone communications can be explained by the upgrade of the PBX's, however the temporary disruption in radio communication can not. There was a temporary disruption in the radio traffic between the Secret Service and AF-1, and AF-1's radios were working just fine, so the problem must have been on the Dallas side. Well, the path taken by that radio traffic depends on whether or not the Emergency Operations Center was active. If it did become active, one can easily envision the snafu it might have caused in terms of conflicting protocols during a time that was already an emergency and already had vital existing channels. Some of the reported symptoms around the radio traffic are just what we might expect in such a situation.
Apparently the military intelligence people were quite concerned that Oswald might be a communist, and there seems to have been a sub-plot of some kind to blame the assassination on Castro and use it as an excuse for an invasion of Cuba. There are cables out of the 112th MIG in San Antonio to this effect, one at least which is still classified, another which apparently went to MacDill AFB in Florida, all warning of (or at least hinting at) the possibility of a communist plot. Some of the source information allegedly came from DPD officer Stringfellow, who allegedly got it from the Texas Department of Public Safety. However Col Robert E Jones of the 112th indicated to the HSCA in testimony that Army Intelligence had its own files on Oswald, which included the Hidell alias.
Sgt Gerald Hill flew to San Antonio the Sunday after the assassination, supposedly to attend a conference, however he may have visited Col Jones over at the 112th MIG, because Col Jones admits to having men in the DPD and assets on the ground at Dealey Plaza that day. Gerald Hill is vitally important to this case, especially his commandeering of Bobby Valentine's squad car. If that's the one that ended up in front of Earlene Roberts' place it sure would help explain a lot of things. That car may even have given the real Oswald (the brown-shirted one) a ride over to the Texas Theater, ... maybe even given Oswald a pistol and a few extra rounds - considering that Earlene Roberts searched her roomers' rooms every day (for alcohol) and never found a pistol, never found a holster, never found any ammo...
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Brian Castle Wrote:..........
Westbrook is also the guy who parks at the back of the Texas Theater, and so when the white-shirted Oswald double is escorted out the back of the theater (as witnessed by Butch Burroughs from inside the theater, and Bernard Haire from outside of the theater), Westbrook is logically one of the officers who would have left the back way.
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This sure is an interesting case.
You seem to be new at this, and you're going a mile a minute and I've seen your recent posts on Boise Smith on every forum I periodically read through. Nothing wrong with any of that.
I'll give you some advice you haven't asked for and probably will ignore. Slow down. File a lot of the clutter out of your analysis, at least for now. For exaample, you don't need to be thinking about
"stuff" like I highlighted from your last post. It is speculative and at least for now, it is distraction that will not get you anywhere. The most unsettled issues only bog people down, they distract, trigger
arguments and nothing is settled related to them. Whatever FBI agent Barrett disclosed decades later about what Westbrook said at the Tippit murder scene would have been better said nearer the time and
it carried little weight. Consider what has impact and what does not. Expand your horizons later and you already realize it is overwhelming in the way you presented just a little piece of it.
Example..... it is your choice whether to burrow down every rabbit hole that has so far resulted in nothing close to consensus because of a dearth of supporting evidence, even after 52 years.:
Quote:http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012_...chive.html
Wednesday, February 29, 2012
James Douglas & Wes Wise
............Buctch Burroughs and Bernard Haire are complimentary witnesses. From their perspectives both inside and outside the Texas Theater, they saw an Oswald double arrested and taken to a police car in the back alley only minutes after the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. Burroughs' and Haire's independent, converging testimonies provide critical insight into the mechanics of the plot..........
[BK Notes: I don't believe, as JD apparently does, that the man who resembled Oswald and was taken into custody by the Dallas PD out the back of the Texas Theater is the same person who resembled Oswald and seen by T. H. White in a 57 Plymouth with Texas License plate PP 4537, as there apparently were more than two individuals who resembled Oswald in Oak Cliff at that time.]
Keep it simple, keep to the facts or few will take you seriously or pay attention to what you post. I don't know if you're aware that Empire Trust's Henry C. Brunie was best man in WC's John McCloy's
1930 wedding and was his neighbor for a time. In the early 1950's Brunie appointed Crichton a V.P. of Empire Trust. I got interested in this mess after I wondered who Obama's early billionaire backer, Lester Crown was. It was s short jump to Lester's father , Henry, to Henry's right hand man Patrick H. Hoy, go between with mob lawyer Sidney Korshak, and hired by Crown as a Exec. V.P. at General Dynamics after 15 years employment with Ernest Byflield Jr. and his father. Hoy rose to president of Byfield's Sherman Hotel group and had no experience in the areas Henry Crown hired Hoy to oversee.
My interest accelerated when I found that Byfield Jr's mother reluctantly leased her Glen Ora estate in Middleburg, VA to JFK and Jackie as the weekend White House in Hunt Country. Byfield Jr was a WWII OSS officer with army Captain military cover. His late uncle Hugh had played polo with OSS's Bill Donovan and Byfield, Jr. knew Donovan personally. In 1943, Byfield was best man in the wedding of William HG Fitzgerald and Anniles Petschek. They were married at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC and the officiant was Father Vincent Donovan, Bill Donovan's brother.
One of the ushers in that wedding was Oliver W. Hammonds, a USAAF WWII intelligence officer who later moved to Dallas and wrote an authoritative book on the oil depletion allowance with his accountancy practice partner, George Day, a fellow Harvard graduate. The pair were members along with Stewart Dyckman, of the then tiny Dallas Harvard club and the three alternately served as club presidents. In 1939, Dyckman was living his post college batchelor decade in NYC as described in his obit. He worked at the Rockefeller bank and became close to a co-worker there, George Bouhe, and was one of two sponsors on Bouhe's naturalization application. Oliver W. Hammonds became a partner with Jack Crichton in Arab Shield Corp. and probably served as the Corp.'s accountant. FWIW, I can prove every point I posted, after the name Lester Crown.
Before paying any attention to the scant, unverifiable confusion of Oswald's in the balcony and out in back of the Texas Theater, know all you can about what is in the record. IOW, don't turn your potential readers off with so far and probably forever unverified/unverifiable claims.
Consider what a chore it was to read what I just posted, if you even bothered. There is little or no interest in new persons of interest because most are pretty well settled in their views and they know what they know. Your research on Boise Smith is still undeveloped and as you learn more, your enthusiasm may even increase, but in my experience, there will still be very little interest in whatever you unearth
about Boise's possible role in crime or cover up. It is best only to accuse individuals, especially newly mentioned and deceased ones of what you have strong evidence of them doing. Why speculate and turn off their survivng relative who you might otherwise wisn to solicit the cooperation of? BTW, Boise Smith's moither lived in Decatur, TX, remarried in the early 1940's to Herbert T. Gale. Smith's sister Elzena Elsie Smith Parker married Paul Costello of the Chicago Music School of Ed. in 1942 and died in Cape May, NJ in 1975. Paul Costello died there in 1969 and was born in Philadelphia. His father was Martin and his sister was Monica.
Mr. and Mrs. Herbert T. Gale were hosts Sunday to Major and Mrs. Boise B. smith who is Mrs. Gale's son, has recently returned from the iCuropeon War zone and will report in San Antonio this month... a cousin, of Dallas, also by Mr. and Mrs. Paul Costello of Chicago who flew ...
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John Eli Gibson, age 71 of Forney, TX, passed away January 3, 2010. He was born August 30, 1938 in Brasher, TX,....
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[/URL].......Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please?
Mr. GIBSON. John Gibson.
Mr. BALL. What is your occupation?
Mr. GIBSON. I am manager of a retail store.
Mr. BALL. What kind of retail store is that?
Mr. GIBSON. It's Elko Camera store.
Mr. BALL. What is the address of the Elko Camera Store?
Mr. GIBSON. 239 West Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. Near the Texas Theatre?
Mr. GIBSON. I'm four doors from the Texas Theatre.
Mr. BALL. Where were you born, Mr. Gibson?
Mr. GIBSON. I was born in Brashear, Tex.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go to school?
Mr. GIBSON. Woodrow Wilson High School.
Mr. BALL. Here in Dallas?
Mr. GIBSON. In Dallas.
Mr. BALL. Well, what have you done since you got out of school?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, after I got out of school I went in service in the Navy and stayed in there 2 years and came back and went to work for Snap-Shots, Inc., and then went to work for Hermetic Seal in Garland, and then went to work for Elko.
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Mr. BALL. Had you paid any attention to other people who had come in the theatre before the lights came on?
Mr. GIBSON. No.
Mr. BALL. Tell me what happened after the lights came on?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, when the lights came on, of course, as I said before, I know most of the people that work there in the show and I got up and started to the front to ask where the head usher or the girl was that works these lights--if something was wrong--I thought maybe they had a fire.
Mr. BALL. You say you started to the front, you mean you started into the lobby?
Mr. GIBSON. I started to the lobby, and just before I got to the door there were two or three--anyway the first police officer that got to me was carrying a shotgun, I remember that, and he says, "Is there anybody in the balcony?"
I said, "I don't know." He went on up into the balcony and I stood around out in the lobby for--I don't know--a minute or something, I guess, and they kept coming in and I stepped back inside the theatre just standing just behind where I had been sitting and I would say there were at least six or possibly more policemen downstairs. The rest of them were going upstairs.
Mr. BALL. What did you see happen?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, I was standing there watching all this going on and then the policeman started down the aisle--I would say there was another--I don't know, maybe six or eight--started down the aisles.
Mr. BALL. When you say "down the aisles," you mean all of the aisles?
Mr. GIBSON. Toward the screen--I don't know if they were going down all of them or not. I don't believe there was any--there was one policeman standing, it seems to me like, right on the other side of me, in the far aisle just behind me--I don't think there was anybody going down the far aisle next to the wall on my side.
Mr. BALL. What aisles did you see policemen going down?
Mr. GIBSON. I saw them going down what I would call the two big center
aisles, and then the next thing was--Oswald was standing in the aisle with a gun in his hand.
Mr. BALL. That's the next thing you saw?
Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was there anybody with him--near him?
Mr. GIBSON I couldn't swear to that--I don't know--you mean other policemen?
Mr. BALL. That's what I mean--was he in the aisles?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, he was in the aisle when I saw him.
Mr. BALL. What was he doing?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, he had this pistol in his hand.
Mr. BALL. Was anybody near him?
Mr. GIBSON. Just the officers.
Mr. BALL. What was the officer doing--did you say officers or police officer?
Mr. GIBSON. Officers.
Mr. BALL. Plural, officers?
Mr. GIBSON. Yes; there were more than one.
Mr. BALL. What were they doing?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, they were going toward him.
Mr. BALL. Did they have ahold of him at the time?
Mr. GIBSON. No; I don't believe so.
Mr. BALL. Did anyone have ahold of him at that time?
Mr. GIBSON. I don't think so.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any officer grab hold of Oswald?
Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Which one can you describe where he was and what he did--just tell us in your own words what you saw him do?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, just like I guess you have heard this a lot of times--the gun misfired--it clicked and about the same time there was one police officer that positively had him.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean--"had him"?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, I mean he grabbed ahold of him.
Mr. BALL. Did he grab ahold of him before you heard the click or afterwards?
Mr. GIBSON. Gee, that's a question that's kind of hard to answer because I would say possibly seconds before or a second--maybe at the precise time the gun clicked. It happened pretty fast and like I say, I just went in to eat a hot-dog for lunch and I wasn't expecting any of this.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any officer strike Oswald?
Mr. GIBSON. No, sir; not directly; I saw them take him to the floor.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald strike any officer?
Mr. GIBSON. [Shaking head for negative answer.]
Mr. BALL. You did not?
Mr. GIBSON. Not that I saw.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear anybody say anything?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, I heard the officers, but I don't remember what they said--I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear Oswald say anything?
Mr. GIBSON. No.
Mr. BALL. You mentioned the fact that they took him to the floor, you mean they actually went down in the floor of the theatre or close to it?
Mr. GIBSON. Well, from where I was standing and looking across--they took him to the floor.
Mr. BALL. Were there any seats in the way when they fell?
Mr. GIBSON. No; I was standing up--yes; there was seats in the way, but I was looking at an angle.
Mr. BALL. Did Oswald fall on the seats or on the floor?
Mr. GIBSON. They fell on the floor as best I could tell.
Mr. BALL. Then what did you see happen?
Mr. GIBSON. I didn't see anything happen--I walked back to the front.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald leave the theatre?
Mr. GIBSON. Yes; I saw the officers bring him out. .....
(Gibson may have joined the Navy instead of graduating from Woodrow Wilson HS)
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
Tom Scully Wrote:File a lot of the clutter out of your analysis
That's rich.
Brian, you're doing just fine.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Tom Scully Wrote:File a lot of the clutter out of your analysis
That's rich.
Brian, you're doing just fine.
Drew, do you think Barrett's staled claims about Westbrook showing him a Hideill wallet at the Tippit murder scene or claims of arrests of second and third Oswalds in the theater balcony or out the back door of the theater influennce
progress in this research? OTOH, the DPD had a suspect allegedly claiming police brutality, yet despite that and an impressive chunk of the DPD being on the scene, they took no list of names of theater patrons present that has
survived in the record. The testimony of only two theater patrons is in the WC record. How did the WC verify that John Gibson was present to witness Oswald's apprehension, down to his testifying he heard the click of the hammer
of a revolver in Oswald's hand. Is it more helpful to research and present the actual background of Gibson who claimed he was a witness supporting the police version of events, or to focus attention on claims that have not and cannot
ever develop further, second and third Oswalds arrested in the theater?
Please point me to another source of any background on John Gibson beyond what was taken in his WC testimony? The distractions have interfered with gatheirng what is actually possible to gather. John Eli Gibson's first wife was
Alice Montez Sanford, b. Houston, 1939, d. Dallas, 1995. Here father was Morris Ervin "Slim" Sanford, d. Mesquite, TX, 1982. Penn Jones could have obtained Gibson's personal background details but he busied himself presenting things
like Eddy Benavides death date being around the time of the 1964 WC testimony of his brother, when in fact Eddy was shot to death in an incident in a bar unrelated to the WC investigation, a year later, in 1965.
The choice has always been to examine the actual record with a fine tooth comb or go off on tangents. The first generation of researchers and the ones who have succeeded them have had a mixed record. This is not a carnival and it does not have to look like one.
Brian is correct, this sure is an interesting case. Some of it can be verified, but few seem to want to, or even recognize the need. Posting interpretations and speculations about prayerman i[size=12]s quite popular and anybody with eyes and a keyboard can play and
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Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
They say there are only six degrees of separation between us and everyone else in the world. I think this is why I've become exhausted with the JFK case and am taking a break from it (again).
Tracy Riddle Wrote:They say there are only six degrees of separation between us and everyone else in the world. I think this is why I've become exhausted with the JFK case and am taking a break from it (again).
I know how you feel.
Re: the original post: Peter Dale Scott and Russ Baker have done a lot of work on this area. It would be worth reading their research (if you haven't already) to place this information in its proper context.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.â€
― Leo Tolstoy,
You seem to be new at this, and you're going a mile a minute and I've seen your recent posts on Boise Smith on every forum I periodically read through. Nothing wrong with any of that.
Hi Tom, thank you for your input! I will add George Bouhe and company to my research list.
I'd like to make it clear though, that I'm not "accusing" anyone. I don't know enough to accuse anyone! lol
I was suggesting a set of "plausible linkages", kind of the same thing you were doing.
Let's see, regarding the family, I was trying to keep the personal stuff out of it mostly. There's not a whole lot there (yet), Boise Jr is listed in SEC reports as an insider at Lone Star Industries. Boise III got a Heroism Medal for saving someone from drowning after a car accident, and it looks like he may have been sued for the same accident (the docket is on file at the DPS), and he also joined the Texas Process Server's Association in 2012. The Jr may have had a boat called the Bunny B which he may have kept near Stone Mountain GA, and he's also listed as the designated contact for a Texas corporation of the same name.
No, I'm not trying to "accuse" this fellow, I just want to know what he was up to. He's too important a character to let fall through the cracks, and no one's looked at this guy in all the fifty years so far (that I can find, anyway). I'm trying to get his Army SN right now, if I have that I can do an FOIA request on the guy and maybe something will turn up.
I have a possible model for how and why the members of the 488th may have been involved in the Tippit shooting, and for what reason. It's somewhat convoluted, but so is everything else in this case. I have reason to believe that Crichton and Westbrook et all may actually have been some of the "good guys" in this equation, even though they may have been engaged in something that is at least "on the surface" distasteful. IMO, the purpose of the Tippit shooting was to make sure Oswald got arrested. Without the Tippit shooting, they would have had to find Oswald "elsewhere", and by that time the world would have known we were chasing a communist defector, it would have been a pretty ugly scenario IMO.
It seems it would be helpful to gain any additional understanding we can get, about the relationships between military intelligence and the other powers in Dallas. There is a curious gap in the historical records of both the Dallas Emergency Operations Center, and the Dallas City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission, between the years 1960 and 1964. If you look at the Dallas Archives you'll find all kinds of financial records for 1958, and stories about 1964 forward, but there's not much for those particular years in the middle.
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