Quote:I think the problem here is that although it is unlikely that the at least 52 year old BYPs were the most undetectable composite contrivances ever foisted on the American people by their local, state, or federal law enforcement authorities, they have always stank like rotted fish because of the seemingly never ending controversies associated with them.
Tom,
If I take a photo of a photo composite with the Reflex, the negative and image will not show signs of a composite since it is itself a fully complete image without alterations... like the autopsy photos - they themselves are not faked but actual photos of faked results.
(Note: stating the world is round based on centuries old technology of sailing into the horizon and not falling off but coming back around to the starting point does not make the technology any less accurate. Shaneyfelt was no more right or wrong then than now other than the changes in technology. Back then it required experts to create a finished product that was virtually undetectable... )
Quote:David, I see you attempt the most difficult choices of strategy in your sincere efforts to make your points, and in reading a large minority of your presentations, I end up thinking you've made bad choices. Why not find ways to call into doubt without leaving yourself as wide open as you often do?
You're right, too...nothing to see here....guy from a department endowed with $22 million from a lawyer who was sent by the father of the now world's wealthiest man with the biggest monopoly in the world to create a corporate law department with 600 plus lawyers and who then comes back and becomes chair of a firm with proven ties to a criminal partisan extremist who plead out to ten plus years in prison....guy from that endowed department tells us his tests prove the rifle photos are most likely not fakes.... natural thing to do is what you are doing.... post that I am paranoid .....carry on!
Tom.. let me put this back to you...
Your quote that I requoted in italics is a case of incredulity yet proves nothing but that you can state your concerns and reservations about the background of someone yet not connect any of the dots.
You want us to believe the man's results are based on his personal agenda and connections
You basically say, "Trust me, see all these potentially nefarious connections - he MUST be doing something wrong"
Whereas I go about proving to those who study this case that examining the photos for alteration presupposes their authenticity. Before we worry about who did the examination and what the results are (or would always be given the connection YOU feel are important here) how about connecting the camera to the photos to the negatives?
If you can't do that, and we can't, then even my example of the nose shadow being wrong is after the fact. The dismissed Aerospace analysis provides proof that an alteration was done.
Case closed as we say. Why bother with anything else but authenticing the evidence?
The circumstantial evidence of the camera, Marina, Rose/Stoval/White, the reports, the negatives, 133-C and on and on is much more tangible than claiming the results are tainted due to an agenda you only touch upon and do not prove.
It has long been your approach Tom, that if you throw enough of the relationships against the wall, we MUST begin to accept that everything we are paranoid about is true - simply due to these relationships.
I'm not saying it's not possible and adds fuel to the fire... but a connection to THAT endowed department does not a guilty verdict make
PROVE that the connections you cite resulted in the activity - not that as a result of our paranoia we need to ACCEPT this as true, with no concrete evidence other than the relationships and backgrounds.
I don't doubt there were many threads of curruption and control running thru these relationships... but the relationship in itself is not a priori understanding of that connection
DJ
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
You declare what you have proved. Who have you proved it, to? I am not comparing you to Fetzer, but
what are your boundaries, vs. Fetzers? You attempt to type what I do with one broad brush. I disagree because I examine the flaws and I confine myself to exploiting them with facts. Janney wrote a book in which he claimed his CIA assassin was missing since 1965. I dismantled that claim without the technique you assigned as my method.
My boundaries are well defined. I cannot be compared to Fetzer. I revised my last post before I read your newer one. I added an example of my approach to pushing back against the official claims of the 9/11 tower collapses. Fetzer's are more numerous and speculative, but are they more compelling to a wide audience?
Maybe at the heart of our disagreement, David, is our respective definition of a wide audience? Is a wide audience a
more reasonable body than a narrow one? Is reasonable more likely to be reliable? Is a "fringe" audience a small,
likeminded body? Fifty years on, are there examples of a small, likeminded body with a more reliable sense of what happened during a fifty year old, headline event, than the sense held by the general public?
If your BYP authenticity claims in either of your last two posts were as you seem to think they are, "done deals" I would not have replied to you. There are several things in your last post that I do not expect you can prove. I've taken considerable effort to make it much less likely that anything in my last two posts is as vulnerable. You posted as if you can prove autopsy or BYP photos were faked, but proved to who and where?
David Josephs Wrote:.... like the autopsy photos - they themselves are not faked but actual photos of faked results. ..... ...........
DJ
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
You declare what you have proved. Who have you proved it, to? I am not comparing you to Fetzer, but
what are your boundaries, vs. Fetzers? You attempt to type what I do with one broad brush. I disagree because I examine the flaws and I confine myself to exploiting them with facts. Janney wrote a book in which he claimed his CIA assassin was missing since 1965. I dismantled that claim without the technique you assigned as my method.
My boundaries are well defined. I cannot be compared to Fetzer. I revised my last post before I read your newer one. I added an example of my approach to pushing back against the official claims of the 9/11 tower collapses.
If your BYP authenticity claims in either of your last two posts were as you seem to think they are, "done deals" I would not have replied to you. There are several things in your last post that I do not expect you can prove. I've taken considerable effort to make it much less likely that anything in my last two posts is as vulnerable. You posted as if you can prove autopsy or BYP photos were faked, but proved to who and where?
David Josephs Wrote:.... like the autopsy photos - they themselves are not faked but actual photos of faked results. ..... ...........
DJ
Tell ya what Tom.... you present the info how you want to and I'll do what I want. As for comparisons to others, I'll let you ride that merry-go-round. Your ongoing obtuse presentation of even further obtuse connections creates eye-glaze the moment your name appears at the top of a post. Then we wade thru your sources and suppositions of nefarious third-cousin and "his brother-in-law's sister's husband's doctor" connections and all we are left with is you identifying the dots while offering little if anything to connect them.
Are you plainly stating that the Dartmouth analysis is suspect purely due to the relationships you offered, or not? If so... prove them. If not, why do you leave so much out?
Your quoted reply to "Craig" is a rant about potential connections and possible reasons for behavior... but you offer no proof beyond stating the relationship.
That's not complete by any stretch. As for 911... the nano-thermite results, 1-3% by volume in the dust of the impossibly collapsed buildings is pretty good proof
The BBC announcing the fallen building while we stare at it in the background is another pretty good indication of advanced knowledge (that and about 100 other things)
But none of that is the point.
If you think what I posted about the BYP is incorrect, PROVE IT Tom and stop telling me how to present my work.
Quote:There are several things in your last post that I do not expect you can prove.
Like what Tom? Be specific... use some words
Quote:I've taken considerable effort to make it much less likely that anything in my last two posts is as vulnerable. You posted as if you can prove autopsy or BYP photos were faked, but proved to who and where?
Everything in your post is vulnerable since you offer nothing to connect anything together.
With regards to your "$22 million" - connect the work's BYP conclusions to the endowment originator beyond your ability to spout some "facts" in background.
That you are arguing with Lamson is the first mistake, one I've made too often and stopped a few years ago... But your linked thread and posts do not PROVE the connection - they only illustrate the potential of one.
Just posting that this man has a grant from the FBI does not make his analysis wrong - only suspect. To prove he is wrong we need more than your feeling there is an agenda involved.
Do you see what I'm saying or not Tom? I PROVE things that you don't actually disprove but only question.
You, on the other hand, PROVE next to nothing other than your amazing ability to find info and connections that SUGGEST but do not prove.
When we add Spencer and Knudsen to the equation the authenticity of the autopsy photos is questioned with direct first hand evidence, not your suppositions
It is only when we follow and authenticate the evidence do we find PROOF. The Evidence IS the Conspiracy. the Connections only makes it more believeable
DJ
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
Quote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070219/f...219-2.html 19 February, 2007
Digital imaging makes fakes easier to make, but maybe also easier to spot. News@nature.com talks to mathematician Hany Farid about tracking down falsified photos for science journals and the FBI.
Nicola Jones What do you do for a living?
Look in the eyes: Hany Farid is "obsessed" with the spot of light reflected in a person's eye.Dartmouth College
I'm an applied mathematician, but I work in a computer science lab [at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire]. My primary research area is developing computational and mathematical techniques to detect tampering in digital media. Most of my funding comes from law enforcement: I have a grant from the FBI. As well as doing research, I am often approached by people and organizations to help to authenticate digital media so I've become something of a digital detective. ....
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So what does this have to do with the 11/22/63 JFK assassination and price of bananas? All DP imagery is/was film. This Farid guy is an unnecessary diversion! But so are most Lone Neuters! Guy reminds me of Dale *wanna see my EMMY* Myers **LITE**!
Do you notice when these digital morons post anything in support of WCR supported imagery, the contrast in the said image is through the roof.... What are they scared of? http://phys.org/news/2015-10-backyard-ph...swald.html
Tom Scully Wrote:My boundaries are well defined. I cannot be compared to Fetzer. I revised my last post before I read your newer one.
One of the more remarkable syllogisms of the modern era.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Tom Bowden Wrote:He is wrong on this picture but some of our pseudo photographic experts on the site should study his other photographic techniques in analyzing photographs. Long time ago, I was involved with a study to reduce X-rays to microfilm and retain 14 steps of the gray scale. This was in the 1964=65 timeframe. I was fortunate to spend time at Columbia University in their studies.
What's your point, Tom?
My point is I understand the loss of grey steps in any reproductive process between silver film generations. I have not bothered to learn the processes for enhancing in this digital age but if the digitized film was not the original then contrast and grey retention is dependent on many variables. If you do not know the intermediate steps then how can you reliably judge the final product. I have seen enough discussion on this site to understand when someone is blowing smoke. I am not into name calling but over the years I have seen enough to know when someone is reading more into a photo than was there. Badge man and prayer man are perfect examples. Another was the Cooper use of the Z film copies.
Ahimsa….may you live in a world of non-forcefulness.
I wonder why they're pushing this story again. It's not new. Does saying its new (again) make it look like 2 different Hany Farid's from Dartmouth did the same research independently?
One good thing for conspiracy fans, though. If the BYP were faked, that's really evidence of post-assassination forgery, presumably by over-zealous law enforcement (ahem... unless you can prove that there were faked BYP before the assassination). If the BYP are the real deal, however... then David Josephs has proved the existence of 2 separate and distinct rifles, if you don't count the third different rifle, which is in the Archives. One in the newly(?) authenticated BYP, and a different one in the undisputedly authentic series of photos of Lt. Day with a rifle inside and outside the TSBD and in the hall at DPD. The significance of that, is evidence of a pre-assassination conspiracy.
So, shall I predict the next limited hangout? Or is the end game here simply keeping so many balls in the air that you can't see the juggler?
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)
James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."
Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."
Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Quote: If the BYP were faked, that's really evidence of post-assassination forgery, presumably by over-zealous law enforcement (ahem... unless you can prove that there were faked BYP before the assassination).
Consider this Drew...
The BYP negatives and prints were either brought to Irving by Rose and/or Stovall... on the 22nd and left there to be found, or on the 23rd , also to be found
or
The BYP negs and images were already there to be found...
In either case the images and negatives were created prior to the assassination - let's remember that Michael sees these images Friday night and Oswald is asked about them 4 hours before they are brought to the DPD.
(it is these two items of info that leads me to believe they were already made and ready to be left as evidence against the patsy - that and there would little time to CREATE these images in the Reflex camera that night or weekend. For this to work the Reflex had to be used to take the final composite image, along with the creation of the negative. I don't see how that gets done in the timeframe)
Rose brings in two negatives, prints are made, the negs are given back and ???? where did they go and what happened to one of them by the time of the HSCA?
Mr. BALL. Did you find some pictures?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; I found two negatives first that showed Lee Oswald holding a rifle in his hand, wearing a pistol at his hip, and right with those negatives I found a d[B]eveloped picture[/B]--I don't know what you call it, but anyway apicture that had been developed from the negative of him holding this rifle, and Detective McCabe was standing there and he found the other picture--of Oswald holding the rifle.
"a" picture... not "pictures".
Does it not strike anyone a bit strange that one order from March and another from January (diff products from diff vendors) arrive so close together that the only weekend the photos could have been taken is March 30, 1963.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall the day that you took the picture of him with the rifle and the pistol?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that that was towards the end of February, possibly the beginning of March. I can't say exactly. Because I didn't attach any significance to it at the time. That was the only time I took any pictures.
I don't know how to take pictures. He gave me a camera and asked me someone should ask me how to photograph, I don't know.
Interesting... by the time of her testimony one would think she knows (as Ruth did on her calendar) when the rifle arrived... as for the pistol?
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall when he first had the pistol, that you remember?
Mrs. OSWALD. He had that on Neely Street, but I think that he acquired the rifle before he acquired the pistol. The pistol I saw twice once in his room, and the second time when I took these photographs
Oswald claims to have purchased the pistol 7 months prior. (I am trying to finish the pistol article asap...lol)
7 months prior to Nov 22 coincides pretty well with his leaving Texas for New Orleans - 7 months earlier on April 24th. "Acquiring the rifle before the pistol" in her mind makes sense.
The photos themselves, the way they are nearly identical and very clear - and Marina's confession about her inexperience and lack of memory of such a unique photo taking experience also leads me to conclude she never took these photos.
There is simple no corroborated evidence that Oswald EVER ordered and/or picked up said rifle... that it was ever delivered to a Dallas Post Office or even part of Kleins' inventory. Same hold true for the pistol.
As I ask elsewhere - how can we discuss a photo of Oswald with a rifle where the only evidence for his owning that rifle is terribly inauthentic and is corroborated by Marina and George D.
For the rifle to be in the garage it had to be transported from New Orlean (4905 Magazine) to Irving - Oswald is seen leaving with two smallish suitcases 18-24" in length. Since I believe he did not go to Mexico but to Dallas, it is possible he took the rifle with him - IF HE EVER GOT IT TO BEGIN WITH... see, same point. He has to have ordered. paid for, picked up and transported this rifle from March until Nov... there is simply no evidence for that.
How many times can a person say no?
Mr. JENNER - Was there a rifle packed in the back of the car?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - You didn't see any kind of weapon?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Firearm, rifle, pistol, or otherwise?
Mrs. PAINE - No; I saw nothing of that nature.
Mr. JENNER - Did you drive them to your home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Were the materials and things in your station wagon unpacked and placed in your home?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; immediately.
Mr. JENNER - Did you see that being done, were you present?
Mrs. PAINE - I helped do it; yes.
Mr. JENNER - Did you see any weapon on that occasion?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Whether a rifle, pistol or--
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Or any covering, any package, that looked as though it might have a weapon, pistol, or firearm?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - I 'don't wish to be persistent, but was there anything that you saw about the duffelbags that lead you at that time to even think for an instant that there was anything long, slim and hard like a pole?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - Or a gun, a rifle?
Mrs. PAINE - No.
Mr. JENNER - No? Nothing?
Mrs. PAINE - Nothing. I did not move these bags.
Mr. JENNER - To the extent you saw them is all I am inquiring about. You did not touch them, you did not lift them, but you saw them.
Mrs. PAINE - I did.
Mr. JENNER - There appeared--the entire circumference of these bags which you could see was smooth?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, smooth, bumpy, but irregular.
Mr. JENNER - But no stick, no hard surface. Now, what about the diameter of these bags, these duffelbags, what would you say it was?
Mrs. PAINE - About like this, 15, 18, 20 inches across.
Representative BOGGS - Did you see the rifle that he had in the room in your home?
Mrs. PAINE - In the garage, no.
Representative BOGGS - In the garage, you never saw one? Mrs. PAINE - I never saw that rifle at all until the police showed it to me in the station on the 22d of November.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
21-10-2015, 12:01 AM (This post was last modified: 21-10-2015, 01:43 AM by Tom Scully.)
David Healy Wrote:
Tom Scully Wrote:...
Quote:http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070219/f...219-2.html 19 February, 2007
Digital imaging makes fakes easier to make, but maybe also easier to spot. News@nature.com talks to mathematician Hany Farid about tracking down falsified photos for science journals and the FBI.
Nicola Jones What do you do for a living?
Look in the eyes: Hany Farid is "obsessed" with the spot of light reflected in a person's eye.Dartmouth College
I'm an applied mathematician, but I work in a computer science lab [at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire]. My primary research area is developing computational and mathematical techniques to detect tampering in digital media. Most of my funding comes from law enforcement: I have a grant from the FBI. As well as doing research, I am often approached by people and organizations to help to authenticate digital media so I've become something of a digital detective. ....
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So what does this have to do with the 11/22/63 JFK assassination and price of bananas? All DP imagery is/was film. This Farid guy is an unnecessary diversion! But so are most Lone Neuters! Guy reminds me of Dale *wanna see my EMMY* Myers **LITE**!
Do you notice when these digital morons post anything in support of WCR supported imagery, the contrast in the said image is through the roof.... What are they scared of? http://phys.org/news/2015-10-backyard-ph...swald.html
'Tis October, entering the season in witch tradition dictates TPTB remind us that Oswald was a lone nut assassin.
Note the date of my old posts, November, 17, 2009, just after the last time a man placed in an Ivy League chair funded by a right wing partisan of Rovean ethics, a "chair" man funded in his "work" by law enforcement and the FBI was brought to our attention because of his earth shattering endorsement of the integrity of the BYP.
There, David Joseph, wasn't that less effort and less risky than a pushback peppered with autopsy photo fakery or fifty-two years old quotes, (quoting Marina's "testimony".....really ???) or thermite environmental levels?
I'll shorten it even further .... right winger from the Rove-Abramoff squad rinses Hani Farid in a $22 million Dartmouth chair washing machine, money from law enforcement and FBI pours into Farid's research account, and out comes a science supported determination that the BYP are as the WC Report informed our grandparents.
Did I miss anything? It is one thing to present to an annual Lancer Conference Audience, and quite another to present to the American public.
Quote:http://thedartmouth.com/2006/01/13/abram...countable/
By Julia KeaneJanuary 13, 2006
...The current chair of Preston Gates Ellis is Bill Neukom, chair of the Board of Trustees at Dartmouth. While Mr. Abramoff's tenure at Preston Gates Ellis did not overlap with Mr. Neukom's time there, I think it would behoove Mr. Neukom and the leadership of the firm to do a thorough internal investigation of Mr. Abramoff's work there. The firm has denied knowledge of any misdeeds, but has also been unable to produce any substantial records related to Mr. Abramoff. I certainly do not hold Bill Neukom accountable for any illegal activity that occurred before he rejoined Preston Gates Ellis in 2002. However, as the chair of the firm, and as a well-respected public figure, I feel Mr. Neukom's proactive and honest evaluation of this situation is in the best interest of the public.
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Hany Farid Appointed Director of the Neukom Institute for ...
Oct 20, 2008 ... The mission of the Neukom Institute for Computational Science is four-fold: to strengthen and broaden interdisciplinary and collaborative...
David Joseph, this is the portion of this post where your eyes glaze over. What follows is resembles Gaal as much as faked autopsy photos and thermite laced arguments are reminiscent of Fetzer, but I'm not Gaal and you're not Fetzer. Arrivederla !
Quote:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/wa...ghwb.html?_r=0 "…And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford's word was always good…."
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WASHINGTON When Rob Owen came to Washington six years ago at the age of 28, he was searching for a mission in life and, in a sense, for an older brother as well. In Oliver L. North, he found both.
Owen, now 34, closed two days of testimony before the House and Senate committees on the Iran- contra scandal Tuesday by reading a poem to the nonplussed congressmen--a paean to North, the fired White House aide who ran the Reagan Administration's secret aid program for Nicaraguan rebels.
"I love Ollie North like a brother," he declared.
That sudden, fervent outburst in the hushed dignity of the Senate Caucus Room seemed to bring Robert W. Owen full circle. For Owen's search for a sense of mission, friends say, stems partly from the death in Vietnam of his idolized older brother Dwight, a U.S. foreign aid official, in 1967....
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Begins as Volunteer
Equipped with little more than that brand of heartfelt patriotism, Owen found volunteer work with the Senate Republican Conference, then a staff job with Sen. Dan Quayle (R-Ind.), one of the Senate's most conservative members.
In 1983, by happenstance, the young Republican aide met North, a then-obscure White House aide. At the time, Congress was moving toward a ban on official U.S. aid to the contras, and North was being handed the job of finding ways to keep the rebels fighting despite the law.
July 6, 1989 | LYNN SMITH, Times Staff Writer
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OSS Agent on Suicide Mission | Shanghai 1937[/URL]www.shanghai1937.com/oss-agent-on-suicide-mission/
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Apr 9, 2014 - ... to frustrate President Jimmy Carter's negotiations to gain the hostages' ..... Was Shaheen involved in a defector program with H James Rand?
Oliver North's trusted courier, Rob Owen, was the son of Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's 39 year employee, lobbyist, and PR flack, Dwight Owen, Sr. Godfrey's daughter Marion, was married to Robert G. Stone, Jr.
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The Harvard Crimson
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His son, Godfrey Anderson Rockefeller was a member of Bush's Andover secret society, A.U.V. and he married Constance Vauclain Hamilton, raised by her grandfather, Samuel, president of Baldwin Locomotive and Remington, Eddystone.:
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Birth: unknown. Death: Apr. 10, 1917
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You will not find the Eddystone disaster listed among the industrial incidents with the greatest loss of life,
despite the gruesome and sudden fate of nearly as many victims as in the NYC Triangle Shirt Waist Factory fire, circa 1912.
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The other fellow pictured in the Phillips Andover yearbook photo was an heir to the Alka-Seltzer fortune.
D. Rockefeller, was married to ^Constance .. Vauclain Hamilton-.to' a^fashionable .ceremony Saturday fin Ithe .Church ... Rockefeller .is a-son of : Godfrey Stillman-:Rockefeller of 1 Greenwich Conn. ..
Tom Scully Wrote:......Godfrey A Rockefller, pictured above, son of Godfrey s. Rockefller, married Constance Vauclain Hamilton , sister of this man, in 1948: http://www.pennock.w.../nti163596.html
Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) - November 18, 1997
Deceased Name: SAMUEL M.V. HAMILTON
BROKERAGE EXECUTIVE, 73 Samuel M.V. Hamilton, 73, a senior vice president at Janney Montgomery Scott, died of cancer Sunday at his home in Wayne.
Mr. Hamilton, also executive director of 218 Enterprises and an owner of Samuels, a restaurant in Spread Eagle Village, was a partner in Montgomery Scott & Co. for many years before the firm merged with Janney, Battles & E.W. Clark in 1971.
Active in civic and cultural affairs, Mr. Hamilton was a member and former chairman of the board of the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, and was a former member of the board of the Franklin Institute. He was on the board of Fox Chase Cancer Center and the Hamilton Family Foundation. He was a director of the Coaching Club of America, which preserves the tradition of traveling by horse-drawn coach.
Born in New York, Mr. Hamilton was raised in Rosemont by his grandfather Samuel M. Vauclain, chairman of the board of Baldwin Locomotive Works. He graduated from the Choate School in Wallingford, Conn., and from the University of Pennsylvania. An Army lieutenant, he served with the Office of Strategic Service and the CIA during the Korean War.
Surviving are his wife, Dorrance Hill Hamilton; daughter, Margaret H. Duprey; sons, Nathaniel P. and S. Matthews V. Jr.; a sister; a brother; and nine grandchildren..........
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
David Josephs Wrote:Tell ya what Tom.... you present the info how you want to and I'll do what I want. As for comparisons to others, I'll let you ride that merry-go-round. Your ongoing obtuse presentation of even further obtuse connections creates eye-glaze the moment your name appears at the top of a post. Then we wade thru your sources and suppositions of nefarious third-cousin and "his brother-in-law's sister's husband's doctor" connections and all we are left with is you identifying the dots while offering little if anything to connect them.
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Look in the eyes: Hany Farid is "obsessed" with the spot of light reflected in a person's eye.Dartmouth College