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"Justice Scalia spent his last hours with members of this secretive society of elite hunters"
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The family does not want an autopsy according to my husband because of all of the scars from him whipping himself- as part of a secret Catholic ritual in remembrance of Jesus' like suffering. I don't know where Erick learned this from. He told me just before I fell asleep last night and he was gone very early this am, before I was up...

Dawn
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#12
In one case last year, Scalia argued that a police officer did not use "deadly force" when he climbed onto an overpass and used an assault rifle to kill an unarmed man fleeing in a car. According to Scalia's reasoning, it was not deadly force because the officer claimed to have been aiming at the car, not the person in the car.
Perhaps the most infamous example of this methodabsurdly described in the media as "constitutional originalism"was the 2000 Supreme Court decision Scalia engineered to halt the counting of votes in Florida and hand the White House to the loser of the election, Republican candidate George W. Bush.
The 5-4 decision to steal the election all but acknowledged its own speciousness when it declared that the justifications it advanced could not be applied to any future cases. In his separate concurring opinion, Scalia declared that the Constitution did not give the people the right to elect the president.

...and one could go on and on with decisions like these he participated in or led.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:The family does not want an autopsy according to my husband because of all of the scars from him whipping himself- as part of a secret Catholic ritual in remembrance of Jesus' like suffering. I don't know where Erick learned this from. He told me just before I fell asleep last night and he was gone very early this am, before I was up...

Dawn

Interesting, and quite plausible. Opus Dei?
I thought Catholics were against cremation, though.
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#14
Sounds suspiciously like the plot to a Dan Brown novel.

I think there might be "beaters" out there in the bushes trying to make conspiracy noises to delay a re-appointment.


Here's what Chief Justice Rehnquist, the original arch-conservative/Federalist poster-judge, had to say about presidential appointments at the end of a term (which, by the way, politicians have been moaning about since Thomas Jefferson):


"...presidents do nothing more than to seek to appoint people to the Court who are sympathetic to his political or philosophical principles. There is no reason in the world why a President should not do this. One of the many marks of genius that our Constitution bears is the fine balance struck in the establishment of the judicial branch... If nothing else, the public will, in the person of the president of the United States - the one official who is elected by the entire nation - have something to say about the membership of the Court and thereby indirectly about its decisions. Surely, we would not want it any other way." The Supreme Court (2001)
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

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#15
This just in:

a. There have been two separate published rumors on the radio that Scalia was found with a pillow over his head.

b. There has been a report that the Justice of the Peace that pronounced Scalia dead actually did so over the telephone.

I feel quite confident that the 72% / 97% study mentioned above applies only to fact finders that actually personally examine the allegedly dead person.

No doubt there will be more to come.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:The family does not want an autopsy according to my husband because of all of the scars from him whipping himself- as part of a secret Catholic ritual in remembrance of Jesus' like suffering. I don't know where Erick learned this from. He told me just before I fell asleep last night and he was gone very early this am, before I was up...

Dawn

I would make him a member of Opus Dei if this is true.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#17
Apparently, the rumors in the post above are correct. Plus there is one additional detail: The Justices' security detail, the US Marshalls, had been "declined" by Scalia himself. Here is a article that contains quotes of relevant first hand accounts:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/02/15/scalia-...-theories/

Antonin Scalia's Death Prompts Confusion, Conspiracy Theories

The family of Justice Antonin Scalia declined an autopsy, sparking multiple theories about his cause of death.
On 13 February 2016, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died on a Texas hunting trip.
Although Scalia was 79 years old at the time of his death, he was also considered to be in reasonably good health and had no stated intention of retiring. The event was unexpected, and as with most unexpected deaths, there was initially some confusion over the accuracy of the news. Because of that and his family's decision not to order an autopsy (and because his death occurred in an election year) speculation and rumormongering immediately ensued.

Immediately, social media users speculated as to whether the timing of his death was suspect enough to warrant additional attention. On 14 February 2016, a Facebook user published the following status update, encapsulating one of many intricate theories:

The man you see shaking hands with Barack Obama is the owner of the Texas ranch resort Justice Scalia was found dead at. His name is John Poindexter and he was earlier honored during a ceremony by Obama. Mr. Poindexter was the one who helped get Justice Scalia declared dead w/o an actual medical examination. (It was apparently done over the phone based upon his descriptions of the Justice's condition) He was also the one who was the link between Justice Scalia's death and the response of federal authorities.

No autopsy was ordered..."


Much of the post's text appeared to be based on details published in a 14 February 2016 New York Times article specifically about the discovery of Scalia's body:
When Justice Antonin Scalia did not respond to a knock at the door of his suite at the Cibolo Creek Ranch at 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, John B. Poindexter, the property's owner, was not alarmed ... It was less than three hours later, when Mr. Poindexter tried again, that he found Justice Scalia's body.
Justice Scalia had no pulse and was clearly dead, Mr. Poindexter recalled in an interview on Sunday.
The Facebook post asserted Scalia was "apparently" declared dead via telephone, a circumstance described across several paragraphs in the Times' article. But that also appeared to be anecdotal, based on an e-mails from Texas judge David Beebe:
Just after 11 a.m., Mr. Poindexter and a friend of Justice Scalia's tried the door again, again to no answer. They entered the room, and it took no medical training, Mr. Poindexter said, to recognize that Justice Scalia was dead.
Mr. Poindexter called a hospital and, without identifying Justice Scalia, reported what had happened. A hospital official, Mr. Poindexter said, assessed that it would be impossible to resuscitate Justice Scalia, and ranch officials contacted the United States Marshals Service.
That call set into motion hours of intense discussions about how to navigate the protocols associated with the death of a Supreme Court justice outside the Washington area.
"No identity or clue was given that this was not another body found by hunters in the desert," David Beebe, a justice of the peace, wrote in an email Saturday night.
Judge Beebe said County Judge Cinderela Guevera had ultimately pronounced Justice Scalia dead by telephone and "ruled it natural causes based on credible information." She did not respond to messages on Sunday.
The Times didn't clarify whether Beebe was present, party to the flurry of activity in or around Cibolo Creek Ranch on 13 February 2016, or how he came to learn details of the chain of declaration of death.
Beebe's relevance was further detailed in a 14 February 2016 NPR piece:
When Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died Saturday in Presidio County, it wasn't easy to arrange the inquest, the judicial inquiry into the death ... I was reporting from a candidate forum in neighboring Brewster County. Officials from all three counties were in attendance. David Beebe, the justice of the peace for Precinct 1 in Presidio County, was there, too. Shortly after 1 p.m., he received a request to handle an inquest for "a dead body" back in his county.
Beebe responded he was also far away, too, busy at the political forum. The deceased wasn't identified. Bishop said she would find an alternate. In this border county, sometimes the dead body is an undocumented migrant. Identification can take weeks; death can wait.
Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderella Guevara, who was also unable to make the drive to Cibolo Creek Ranch. Connecting with the county sheriff there, she officially handled the inquest over the phone pronouncing Justice Scalia dead just before 2 p.m. The Texas Code of Criminal Procedures allows justices of the peace to pronounce death via phone when deemed reasonable.
It wasn't until after 3 p.m. that the news started to make its way to the local officials at the candidates forum. Phones lit up. People stopped paying attention to the debate on the stage. I was sitting near Judge Beebe, and we rushed out of the school auditorium together. We drove straight to the only funeral home in the area, in Alpine where there was no answer at the door.
As the additional information from an on-the-scene press account indicated, Beebe was initially contacted, but not advised that the death in question involved Scalia. When Beebe and thereporter learned that the deceased was in fact a Supreme Court Justice, both hastily traveled a long distance to the funeral home closest to Cibolo Creek Ranch. In the interim, Judge Cinderella Guevara declared Scalia dead per the jurisdiction's protocol (by phone).
Poindexter provided further details about the chain of events surrounding Scalia's death in a 15 February 2016 San Antonio Express-News article:
"We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head. His bed clothes were unwrinkled ... He was lying very restfully. It looked like he had not quite awakened from a nap," he said.
Scalia, 79, did not have a pulse and his body was cold, and after consulting with a doctor at a hospital in Alpine, Poindexter concluded resuscitation would have been futile, He then contacted federal authorities, at first encountering a series of answering services because he was calling on a weekend.
"Ultimately they became available and handled it superbly. They flew in by helicopter. They told me to secure the ranch, which I did until this morning," he said.
That article concluded by reporting that the "body of the Supreme Court justice was moved to an El Paso funeral home early Sunday," per the wishes of Scalia's family. The Facebook post asserted that "no autopsy was ordered" shortly after stating Scalia was pronounced dead via phone, creating the impression that the two details were somehow linked and some barrier existed to an official forensic investigation.
However, a 14 February 2016 Chicago Tribune article reported that Scalia's family declined an autopsy and simply requested his body be returned to Washington as soon as possible:
Chris Lujan, a manager for Sunset Funeral Homes ... says an autopsy was not performed.
He says Scalia's family didn't think a private autopsy was necessary and requested his remains be flown home as soon as possible.
The county official who declared Scalia dead Saturday did not order an autopsy after finding he had died of natural causes. She said investigators told her there were no signs of foul play.
That article included a 15 February 2016 statement from the U.S. Marshals Service about Scalia's death, confirming Scalia declined security detail for the trip:
The U.S. Marshals Service routinely coordinates with the U.S. Supreme Court police to provide security for the Justices, however, Justices may decline USMS protection. In this instance, the USMS detail was declined for the personal trip to the hunting resort in Texas, so USMS personnel were not present at the ranch. Deputy U.S. Marshals from the Western District of Texas responded immediately upon notification of Justice Scalia's passing.
The Washington Post confirmed Scalia's family opposed an autopsy:
As official Washington tried to process what his demise means for politics and the law, some details of Scalia's final hours remained opaque. As late as Sunday afternoon, for example, there were conflicting reports about whether an autopsy should have been performed. A manager at the El Paso funeral home where Scalia's body was taken said that his family made it clear they did not want one.
Speculation over the lack of autopsy wasn't confined to social media. As the Dallas Observer reported on 15 February 2016, conspiracy magnate Alex Jones leapt into the fray almost immediately:
Radio talk show host Alex Jones, never one to pass up an opportunity to stir the pot, said he feels this happened "in his gut." ...
Scalia was not a young man. He was 79 years old and friends at the West Texas ranch where he died say he went to bed early because he didn't feel well. There are many natural causes of death that could be responsible. A heart attack seems to be the most probable cause, and local media are reporting that his death certificate will read "myocardial infarction." Other media reports say the cause will be deemed natural. Either way, no official is suggesting homicide.
Let's not let that stop us from conjecture. Besides, there are also a few man-made ways to kill him that would fit the very thin facts some of which would be hard to prove even if examiners conducted an autopsy.
The Facebook post linked above is an excellent example of such conjecture. It depicted Cibolo Creek Ranch owner John Poindexter with President Obama implying some kind of connection. However, that photo was taken on or around 20 October 2009, when Poindexter was invited by President Obama to the White House for a 2009 ceremony in which he was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation for heroism for his service in Vietnam:
The Presidential Unit Citation, the highest honor given to a military unit, has been issued since World War II and is awarded to U.S. Armed Forces units that display extraordinary heroism in combat against an armed enemy force. It has been bestowed roughly 100 times, Obama said.

The initially confusing circumstances of Antonin Scalia's death were not at all suspicious. Poindexter was circumspect in securing the scene out of respect for Scalia, and reaching an official from a remote area in Texas on a Saturday was complicated. In compliance with local protocol, Scalia's death was declared by the first available judge via phone, and after Scalia was transported to a funeral home his family declined an autopsy. Cibolo Creek Ranch owner John Poindexter was indeed photographed with President Obama, but that occurred during a 2009 ceremony for veterans.

We were unable to find any other connection between Poindexter and President Obama, nor anything that made us suspect that Justice Antonin Scalia's death was anything but the peaceful, ordinary death of a man who was nearly 80 years old.


"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Here is another factoid from mysanantonio.com (which site I must say contains some of the worst and least respectful comments on Scalia's passing):

"A first-time guest to the Cibolo Creek Creek Ranch, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was animated and engaged during dinner Friday night, as one of three dozen invitees to an event that had nothing to do with law or politics, according to the ranch owner. Just hours later, he would be found dead of apparent natural causes, which media outlets were reporting Sunday was a heart attack.

"He was seated near me and I had a chance to observe him. He was very entertaining. But about 9 p.m. he said, it's been a long day and a long week, I want to get some sleep," recalled Houston businessman John Poindexter, who owns the 30,000-acre luxury ranch. When Poindexter tried to awaken Scalia about 8:30 the next morning, the judge's door was locked and he did not answer. Three hours later, Poindexter returned after an outing, with a friend of Scalia who had come from Washington with him."

The underlining is mine. These details seems to be left deliberately vague.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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David Guyatt Wrote:
Dawn Meredith Wrote:The family does not want an autopsy according to my husband because of all of the scars from him whipping himself- as part of a secret Catholic ritual in remembrance of Jesus' like suffering. I don't know where Erick learned this from. He told me just before I fell asleep last night and he was gone very early this am, before I was up...

Dawn

I would make him a member of Opus Dei if this is true.


Yes, exactly. Erick does not remember where he read this.
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More details:

Scalia death phone inquest unusual but not unprecedented
AP News | Feb 17, 2016

MARFA, Texas (AP) A county judge's determination via telephone that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died of natural causes and required no autopsy was unusual, Texas officials said, but sometimes happens in rural areas of Texas where a county can be bigger than some U.S. states. Within two hours of Scalia's body being found Saturday at Cibolo Creek Ranch in remote West Texas, Presidio county Judge Cinderela Guevara, who was 60 miles away, consulted by phone with the county sheriff and a U.S. marshal and concluded there was no foul play. After speaking to Scalia's personal doctor later that evening, she decided that he had died of natural causes and no autopsy was necessary.


"I have no issue with how she handled his death," said David Beebe, a justice of the peace in Presidio County, where Scalia died. Beebe is one of two justices of the peace in the county who are routinely called by authorities to verify a death. Both Beebe and the second justice of the peace were out of town Saturday. Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominguez, in need of a justice to conduct a death inquest, then called Guevara, who offered to hear the matter.


In rural areas, a justice of the peace typically makes the determination of the cause of death in cases when no witnesses were present. An inquest by phone is as valid as one in person under state law, said Bronson Tucker, an attorney for the Texas Justice Courts Training Center who offers instruction to justices of the peace. "The huge majority of the time, if you have a 79-year-old overweight person and you have a statement from the physician and zero indicators of foul play, then it's not unusual for there to be no autopsy," said Tucker. "I didn't see any red flags and nothing to say that the judge didn't follow her statutory obligation."


Guevara issued a statement Tuesday defending how she handled the inquest. She said the attorney for Scalia told her the family did not want an autopsy performed because they believe he died of natural causes and they preferred not to delay his body's return to them. Guevara said she consulted with Scalia's physician and the sheriff before deciding against an autopsy. "I respected the wishes of the Scalia family. ... I did this based upon credible reports to me from law enforcement and from Justice Scalia's personal physician," Guevara said.


Susana Gonzales, a justice of the peace in adjacent Brewster County, said she's never done an inquest by phone but understands there may be situations where it's necessary. "There's not a procedural mechanism to challenge or appeal the determination by the justice of the peace," Tucker said.

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Underlining mine. More vague details. The Presidio County Sherriff is Danny Domingo. Someone, soon, is going to call Guevara's statement, "A Cinderella Story"
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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