Challenge

[Ray Mitcham]

This level of conversation was never tolerated on this site up until certain researchers favored Murphy's theory.



When you have the Darnell frame showing Prayer Man is visibly 6-7 inches shorter than the 6 foot tall Frazier and therefore 5 foot 5 or 6 - and the Wiegman frame showing Prayer Man is visibly 2-3 inches shorter than the 5 foot 8 Lovelady, therefore precisely confirming the exact same 5 foot 5 or 6 height from a second source, you are into reasonable confirmation and don't have to answer people who are deliberately ignoring the evidence.




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Don't tell us, Buttons. Show us.

[LR Trotter]

The attached link contains the image of a lady on the TSBD steps that represents someone that resembles, at least to me, the Darnell pictured image referred to as PrayerPerson by me, but PrayerMan and/or PrayerWoman by others. However, I have not seen any ample indication of the identity of the person represented by the image. But, since I have also not seen ample evidence identifying any other image representing Ms Sarah Stanton, who according to testimony, was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway area at the time of the JFK assassination, I have to consider SS as a possibilty. That said, the linked photograph appears to be some minutes after the 12:30pm CST, 11/22/63 fatal shooting of JFK, and the serious wounding of JBC. In any event, as SS was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway small area at the time of the assassination, an image representing her should be among some of the films/photos. As I now understand it, the top step/landing area from the top step to the doorway was about 5 feet, with the wall to wall width being about 10 feet. And, thanks to the RoKC site, a view is just a short click away. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/ph...=199904776

[Albert Doyle]

Don't tell us, Buttons. Show us.

Ray is clearly making excuses around more than proven evidence. My arguments were accompanied by references many other credible researchers had no trouble following.


Ray is deliberately doing this and should not be allowed to deny evidence so brazenly. He's shilling for ROKC.


The evidence I detailed was visible in Unger's gif on page 566 of the Prayer Person thread at MacRae's site as well as the Darnell image.


It was already more than clearly shown and Ray should not be allowed to reduce this site to this level of ROKC stupidity.


The evidence I referenced showed that Prayer Man is 5 foot 5 or 6 as compared to two other known sources. That is usually good enough in court. And the opposition's denial is usually not good enough.


Ray is in no position to be making demands.

[Alan Ford]

Quote by Doyle
" Tony, I mentioned in my previous post that if Prayer Person was at the front of the landing and Tie Man was inside the foyer - if Prayer Person was of equal height to Tie Man that the perspective difference would actually make Prayer Person shorter. I see you somehow didn't answer that. Your methodology is complete garbage Tony. "

I'll let others judge who is the liar

You have become the laughing stock of the internet. You don't have a single supporter of your position or statements. Begone, you charlatan.

Ray is arguing with himself and just doesn't get it. He fails to comprehend that if Prayer Man is at the front of the landing and appears to be of equal height to Tie Man, who is inside the foyer, that means perspective would necessitate that Prayer Man is shorter. Ray's problem is he doesn't understand the argument.


Ray, do me a favor. Step back and watch a pro and learn something. Thanks to Alan's tip I've finally sealed the deal on this because Lovelady, compared to Prayer Man in Unger's gif, clearly shows he is 2-3 inches taller. Since Lovelady is 5 foot 8 that means we have a second confirming source for Prayer Man being 5 foot 5 or 6.


Alan doesn't realize he's beaten.

You have become the laughing stock of the internet. You don't have a single supporter of your position or statements. Begone, you charlatan.

False. Unger admitted my arguments caused him to realize Prayer Man is at the front of the landing. Drew was able to formulate confirming trigonometry because of my triangulation argument. And Gilbride was honest enough to admit what I wrote swayed him and offer confirming arguments on the Education Forum. Now Lee Kania also agrees.

The biggest supporter I have are the facts you seem to be defiant, if not outright ignorant, of.

Every body is wrong except the idiot, Doyle.

Show us your triangulation argument, Buttons. Drawings or photos, not words.

Top of the morning to you, Mr. Mitcham, you Sir have the patience of a Saint.

You and the rest of the world already know that the Sun will rise and set each day, so why bother trying to explain that simple fact to someone who thinks differently?

Now, in respect to you getting anything more than buttons, etc., what I've come to learn, especially with the Challenge within this thread, is this one truth: the opposition has nothing else (0) There's a reason for that.

The very reason I created this specific Challenge was to give the opposition a fair venue to produce specific evidence based research to legitimize their masquerading Prayer Man wannabes. However, as anyone following this Challenge may note, only one entity's existence has actually been supported by factual evidence: He was encountered at the front entrance before Officer Baker's stairway to heaven climb; He places himself six floors below outside, with a specific individual. No one else claims to have stood in His specific position. There is a reason for that.

Now, though I believe the research community as a whole deserves more than avoidance of the obvious, some people would much rather continue to spew hotair about buttons, sun planes, girdles, phantom handbags and the like, which is very telling in and of itself. Notice how they can see everything but what the evidence demonstrates in regard to only one entity in this Challenge has produced, clear evidence based material substantiating not only his existence, but supporting details about his precise whereabouts.

Here we are eight days into this Challenge, and prayer woman, prayer person, prayer thing, prayer it, prayer ghost, etc have nothing (0) to offer in specifics. There's a reason for that. They have nothing (0). It's that simple really.

But the day is still young, perhaps someone can actually provide the research community some specifics about any other individual who could have been in that specific location. Thus far only one entity has specifics to back up His claim to that specific area. He is not a stranger, thus he passes the "any strangers" litmus test. To date, no other suggested entity can even come up with a specific name, let alone claim His specific position. There's a reason for that.

Some specifics shared about Prayer Man is only a click away -----> http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/prayer-man-faq

[Albert Doyle]

Alan is clearly ignoring evidence and shouldn't be allowed to do that on this site.



The second height comparison with Lovelady that indicates the exact same 5 foot 5 or 6 height for Prayer Man as Frazier is final confirming proof and finally refutes Murphy's thesis.

[Ray Mitcham]

Quote by Doyle
" Tony, I mentioned in my previous post that if Prayer Person was at the front of the landing and Tie Man was inside the foyer - if Prayer Person was of equal height to Tie Man that the perspective difference would actually make Prayer Person shorter. I see you somehow didn't answer that. Your methodology is complete garbage Tony. "

I'll let others judge who is the liar

You have become the laughing stock of the internet. You don't have a single supporter of your position or statements. Begone, you charlatan.

Ray is arguing with himself and just doesn't get it. He fails to comprehend that if Prayer Man is at the front of the landing and appears to be of equal height to Tie Man, who is inside the foyer, that means perspective would necessitate that Prayer Man is shorter. Ray's problem is he doesn't understand the argument.


Ray, do me a favor. Step back and watch a pro and learn something. Thanks to Alan's tip I've finally sealed the deal on this because Lovelady, compared to Prayer Man in Unger's gif, clearly shows he is 2-3 inches taller. Since Lovelady is 5 foot 8 that means we have a second confirming source for Prayer Man being 5 foot 5 or 6.


Alan doesn't realize he's beaten.

You have become the laughing stock of the internet. You don't have a single supporter of your position or statements. Begone, you charlatan.

False. Unger admitted my arguments caused him to realize Prayer Man is at the front of the landing. Drew was able to formulate confirming trigonometry because of my triangulation argument. And Gilbride was honest enough to admit what I wrote swayed him and offer confirming arguments on the Education Forum. Now Lee Kania also agrees.

The biggest supporter I have are the facts you seem to be defiant, if not outright ignorant, of.

Every body is wrong except the idiot, Doyle.

Show us your triangulation argument, Buttons. Drawings or photos, not words.

Top of the morning to you, Mr. Mitcham, you Sir have the patience of a Saint.

You and the rest of the world already know that the Sun will rise and set each day, so why bother trying to explain that simple fact to someone who thinks differently?

Now, in respect to you getting anything more than buttons, etc., what I've come to learn, especially with the Challenge within this thread, is this one truth: the opposition has nothing else (0) There's a reason for that.

The very reason I created this specific Challenge was to give the opposition a fair venue to produce specific evidence based research to legitimize their masquerading Prayer Man wannabes. However, as anyone following this Challenge may note, only one entity's existence has actually been supported by factual evidence: He was encountered at the front entrance before Officer Baker's stairway to heaven climb; He places himself six floors below outside, with a specific individual. No one else claims to have stood in His specific position. There is a reason for that.

Now, though I believe the research community as a whole deserves more than avoidance of the obvious, some people would much rather continue to spew hotair about buttons, sun planes, girdles, phantom handbags and the like, which is very telling in and of itself. Notice how they can see everything but what the evidence demonstrates in regard to only one entity in this Challenge has produced, clear evidence based material substantiating not only his existence, but supporting details about his precise whereabouts.

Here we are eight days into this Challenge, and prayer woman, prayer person, prayer thing, prayer it, prayer ghost, etc have nothing (0) to offer in specifics. There's a reason for that. They have nothing (0). It's that simple really.

But the day is still young, perhaps someone can actually provide the research community some specifics about any other individual who could have been in that specific location. Thus far only one entity has specifics to back up His claim to that specific area. He is not a stranger, thus he passes the "any strangers" litmus test. To date, no other suggested entity can even come up with a specific name, let alone claim His specific position. There's a reason for that.

Some specifics shared about Prayer Man is only a click away -----> http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/prayer-man-faq

Great post, Alan.

[Alan Ford]

The attached link contains the image of a lady on the TSBD steps that represents someone that resembles, at least to me, the Darnell pictured image referred to as PrayerPerson by me, but PrayerMan and/or PrayerWoman by others. However, I have not seen any ample indication of the identity of the person represented by the image. But, since I have also not seen ample evidence identifying any other image representing Ms Sarah Stanton, who according to testimony, was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway area at the time of the JFK assassination, I have to consider SS as a possibilty. That said, the linked photograph appears to be some minutes after the 12:30pm CST, 11/22/63 fatal shooting of JFK, and the serious wounding of JBC. In any event, as SS was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway small area at the time of the assassination, an image representing her should be among some of the films/photos. As I now understand it, the top step/landing area from the top step to the doorway was about 5 feet, with the wall to wall width being about 10 feet. And, thanks to the RoKC site, a view is just a short click away. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/ph...=199904776

Sarah Stanton has already been ruled out by multiple parties (Mr. Frazier and Mrs. Pauline Sanders), who stood alongside her on the polar opposite of Prayer Man's position. We know none of us can be in two places all at once.

[Alan Ford]

Ray is arguing with himself and just doesn't get it. He fails to comprehend that if Prayer Man is at the front of the landing and appears to be of equal height to Tie Man, who is inside the foyer, that means perspective would necessitate that Prayer Man is shorter. Ray's problem is he doesn't understand the argument.


Ray, do me a favor. Step back and watch a pro and learn something. Thanks to Alan's tip I've finally sealed the deal on this because Lovelady, compared to Prayer Man in Unger's gif, clearly shows he is 2-3 inches taller. Since Lovelady is 5 foot 8 that means we have a second confirming source for Prayer Man being 5 foot 5 or 6.


Alan doesn't realize he's beaten.







False. Unger admitted my arguments caused him to realize Prayer Man is at the front of the landing. Drew was able to formulate confirming trigonometry because of my triangulation argument. And Gilbride was honest enough to admit what I wrote swayed him and offer confirming arguments on the Education Forum. Now Lee Kania also agrees.

The biggest supporter I have are the facts you seem to be defiant, if not outright ignorant, of.

Every body is wrong except the idiot, Doyle.

Show us your triangulation argument, Buttons. Drawings or photos, not words.

Top of the morning to you, Mr. Mitcham, you Sir have the patience of a Saint.

You and the rest of the world already know that the Sun will rise and set each day, so why bother trying to explain that simple fact to someone who thinks differently?

Now, in respect to you getting anything more than buttons, etc., what I've come to learn, especially with the Challenge within this thread, is this one truth: the opposition has nothing else (0) There's a reason for that.

The very reason I created this specific Challenge was to give the opposition a fair venue to produce specific evidence based research to legitimize their masquerading Prayer Man wannabes. However, as anyone following this Challenge may note, only one entity's existence has actually been supported by factual evidence: He was encountered at the front entrance before Officer Baker's stairway to heaven climb; He places himself six floors below outside, with a specific individual. No one else claims to have stood in His specific position. There is a reason for that.

Now, though I believe the research community as a whole deserves more than avoidance of the obvious, some people would much rather continue to spew hotair about buttons, sun planes, girdles, phantom handbags and the like, which is very telling in and of itself. Notice how they can see everything but what the evidence demonstrates in regard to only one entity in this Challenge has produced, clear evidence based material substantiating not only his existence, but supporting details about his precise whereabouts.

Here we are eight days into this Challenge, and prayer woman, prayer person, prayer thing, prayer it, prayer ghost, etc have nothing (0) to offer in specifics. There's a reason for that. They have nothing (0). It's that simple really.

But the day is still young, perhaps someone can actually provide the research community some specifics about any other individual who could have been in that specific location. Thus far only one entity has specifics to back up His claim to that specific area. He is not a stranger, thus he passes the "any strangers" litmus test. To date, no other suggested entity can even come up with a specific name, let alone claim His specific position. There's a reason for that.

Some specifics shared about Prayer Man is only a click away -----> http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/prayer-man-faq

Great post, Alan.

Thanks, Mr. Mitcham ::bowtie::

All I am asking here within this simple Challenge is for anyone who cannot bring themselves to admit the obvious, is to produce evidence based research to prove their specifically named candidate of their choice can pass the "any strangers" litmus test, and of their own volition or via supporting evidence place themselves in Prayer Man's specific location. That's the goal to reach within this Challenge, not merely utterances of could be, maybe, appears, seems, etc.

The wrongfully accused has passed every hurdle here: He places himself outside; He is encountered at the front entrance; and, He tells us specifically who he was with. His claim to that specific position is void of weak qualifiers like could be, maybe, appears, seems like, etc.

The problem with make believe "evidence" is it cannot produce any specifics. All this Challenge wants is for someone to specifically name a party, and provide evidence that they instead of the wrongfully accused stood in His specific location. To date, no one has managed to do that. They have nothing (0)There's a reason for that.

[LR Trotter]

The attached link contains the image of a lady on the TSBD steps that represents someone that resembles, at least to me, the Darnell pictured image referred to as PrayerPerson by me, but PrayerMan and/or PrayerWoman by others. However, I have not seen any ample indication of the identity of the person represented by the image. But, since I have also not seen ample evidence identifying any other image representing Ms Sarah Stanton, who according to testimony, was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway area at the time of the JFK assassination, I have to consider SS as a possibilty. That said, the linked photograph appears to be some minutes after the 12:30pm CST, 11/22/63 fatal shooting of JFK, and the serious wounding of JBC. In any event, as SS was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway small area at the time of the assassination, an image representing her should be among some of the films/photos. As I now understand it, the top step/landing area from the top step to the doorway was about 5 feet, with the wall to wall width being about 10 feet. And, thanks to the RoKC site, a view is just a short click away. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/ph...=199904776

Sarah Stanton has already been ruled out by multiple parties (Mr. Frazier and Mrs. Pauline Sanders), who stood alongside her on the polar opposite of Prayer Man's position. We know none of us can be in two places all at once.

Well Mr Ford, apparently you are among "multiple parties"that have ruled out the possibility of Ms Sarah Stanton as PrayerPerson. However, so far I cannot join the "multiple parties". As for statements made by Mr Frazier and Ms Sanders, that is your interpretation, not mine. And, considering the width of the doorway landing area, I wonder, as I wander, just how far apart multiple occupants of the area can be? But, I was hoping the identification of the lady pictured on the steps might be addressed as well. In any event, I have monitored the PrayerPerson issue about as long as I can recall that it has been an issue as discussed on this forum, and I have yet to conclude that PrayerPerson is a male. And, that all but eliminates LeeHarveyOswald being PrayerPerson, in my well studied opinion.

[Alan Ford]

The attached link contains the image of a lady on the TSBD steps that represents someone that resembles, at least to me, the Darnell pictured image referred to as PrayerPerson by me, but PrayerMan and/or PrayerWoman by others. However, I have not seen any ample indication of the identity of the person represented by the image. But, since I have also not seen ample evidence identifying any other image representing Ms Sarah Stanton, who according to testimony, was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway area at the time of the JFK assassination, I have to consider SS as a possibilty. That said, the linked photograph appears to be some minutes after the 12:30pm CST, 11/22/63 fatal shooting of JFK, and the serious wounding of JBC. In any event, as SS was among the occupants of the TSBD doorway small area at the time of the assassination, an image representing her should be among some of the films/photos. As I now understand it, the top step/landing area from the top step to the doorway was about 5 feet, with the wall to wall width being about 10 feet. And, thanks to the RoKC site, a view is just a short click away. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/ph...=199904776

Sarah Stanton has already been ruled out by multiple parties (Mr. Frazier and Mrs. Pauline Sanders), who stood alongside her on the polar opposite of Prayer Man's position. We know none of us can be in two places all at once.

Well Mr Ford, apparently you are among "multiple parties"that have ruled out the possibility of Ms Sarah Stanton as PrayerPerson. However, so far I cannot join the "multiple parties". As for statements made by Mr Frazier and Ms Sanders, that is your interpretation, not mine. And, considering the width of the doorway landing area, I wonder, as I wander, just how far apart multiple occupants of the area can be? But, I was hoping the identification of the lady pictured on the steps might be addressed as well. In any event, I have monitored the PrayerPerson issue about as long as I can recall that it has been an issue as discussed on this forum, and I have yet to conclude that PrayerPerson is a male. And, that all but eliminates LeeHarveyOswald being PrayerPerson, in my well studied opinion.

On the contrary, Mr. Trotter, @ me sharing merely my interpretation. Both of the aforementioned multiple parties (Mr. Frazier and Mrs. Pauline Sanders) made their own observations on the actual day of the event, sharing their respective observations in sworn statements found in Warren Commission Exhibit 1381. Within that historical document, They both place Sarah Stanton, 41, standing alongside them in a position far away from Prayer Man on the opposite end of their specific position.

Any other specific female names you care to share today?