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Since McCabe has been found to be lying to his fellow FBI agents, I would like to see Trump lay down a deadline: if McCabe is not prosecuted for this "lying to the FBI" within a week, then Trump will begin pardoning ALL OTHER PEOPLE ACCUSED OF LYING TO THE FBI until such time as McCabe is prosecuted.
Maybe that way the rest of us US citizens can get equal treatment as the top echelon of the FBI gets.
Just the fact that Comey, McCabe, Wray, Rosenstein and company think they have a veto power over the choices made by 62 million voters, shows how out of touch with reality this country has become. Just about everybody has lost all perspective, left or right-wings.
This politicizing of the national police is NOT ALL THAT DIFFERENT than happened under the Third Reich. The ordinary Bavarian State Police morphed into the Gestapo and the RSHA pretty darn quickly, almost before anybody knew it had happened. Could it happen in the US? Yes, because it is happening now in real time. Wake up, America.
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James Lateer Wrote:Since McCabe has been found to be lying to his fellow FBI agents...
Just the fact that Comey, McCabe, Wray, Rosenstein and company think they have a veto power over the choices made by 62 million voters,
James Comey and Andrew McCabe stoked an anti-Clinton media firestorm 11 days out from the election, resulting in this illegitimate criminal enterprise currently occupying the White House.
For that they should be prosecuted.
Donald Trump is going down for his vast crimes.
My only question is this: will he keep his Secret Service protection in jail?
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Cliff. Cliff. Cliff. No argument. Trump is a crook. Don't forget -- or maybe you haven't learned yet -- the Clinton's are probably bigger crooks. Just sayin'.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Cliff. Cliff. Cliff. No argument. Trump is a crook. Don't forget -- or maybe you haven't learned yet -- the Clinton's are probably bigger crooks. Just sayin'.
Sure. It's those radical liberals at the FBI who've have given them a pass.::wabbits::
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Cliff Varnell Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Cliff. Cliff. Cliff. No argument. Trump is a crook. Don't forget -- or maybe you haven't learned yet -- the Clinton's are probably bigger crooks. Just sayin'.
Sure. It's those radical liberals at the FBI who've have given them a pass.::wabbits::
Conservatives? Liberals? Pshaw. Those words are for the "little people."
It's more like crime families fighting for a bigger pieces of the action. Trump thought he could muscle his way in.
Trump serves a purpose, which is to keep the "little people" distracted while what Lloyd Blankfein called "god's work" is continues largely unchallenged.
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Why does almost everyone in the media (and others) try to jam the FBI into a partisan political mold? They obviously are not interested in PARTISAN politics. In the 2016 election, neither Hilary nor Trump appealed to the FBI or the National Security State. They obviously wanted Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz who had CIA connections. They probably have a plan to replace both Trump and Pence in the current faux Watergate activitiy.
It is a big mistake for Trump supporters to claim that the FBI favored Hilary. The Hilary supporters had ample evidence they did not favor her.
I don't think people are that much in the dark. Trying to pin a partisan label or make a partisan analysis of the actions of the FBI by saying "he was appointed by Obama" or "she was appointed by Bush" is an obvious diversion from the real situation.
The FBI is not politically partisan any more than is the CIA or the military. They want a person in the White House who will participate in a crime spree (which the Bush-Cheney administration was) and help the National Security State sponsor things like the 9-11 and anthrax attacks and the Iraq War.
People who know the true score should be tough on those who try to make a Political Party analysis to distract from the real National Security State analysis. As I have said, Hitler managed to lay waste to Germany and Europe in only 12 years. George W. Bush laid waste to the US economy and half of the Middle East in 8 years.
Do we want to hand the keys back to the National Security State by jumping on the Comey, McCabe, Mueller bandwagon? People who favor this are out to get our country in a very negative way and are hazardous anti-patriots, in my opinion.
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20-04-2018, 12:24 AM
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James Lateer Wrote:Why does almost everyone in the media (and others) try to jam the FBI into a partisan political mold? They obviously are not interested in PARTISAN politics. In the 2016 election, neither Hilary nor Trump appealed to the FBI or the National Security State. They obviously wanted Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz who had CIA connections.
I couldn't disagree more. You assume The National Security State is a monolithic entity. The elements of the National Security State affiliated with the Dominionist Republican bible-thumpers seek war with Iran, as Trump does.
The difference between Hillary and Jeb in regards to foreign policy is the difference between cat shit and dog shit.
Quote: They probably have a plan to replace both Trump and Pence in the current faux Watergate activitiy.
You support an autocrat who claims to be above the law?
How anti-patriotic.
Quote:It is a big mistake for Trump supporters to claim that the FBI favored Hilary. The Hilary supporters had ample evidence they did not favor her.
What a joke. Yeah, the FBI favored Hillary when they flooded the airwaves with anti-Hillary coverage for a solid 11 days before the election.
Quote:I don't think people are that much in the dark. Trying to pin a partisan label or make a partisan analysis of the actions of the FBI by saying "he was appointed by Obama" or "she was appointed by Bush" is an obvious diversion from the real situation.
The FBI is not politically partisan any more than is the CIA or the military. They want a person in the White House who will participate in a crime spree (which the Bush-Cheney administration was) and help the National Security State sponsor things like the 9-11 and anthrax attacks and the Iraq War.
All of that happened under a Republican.
Quote:People who know the true score should be tough on those who try to make a Political Party analysis to distract from the real National Security State analysis. As I have said, Hitler managed to lay waste to Germany and Europe in only 12 years. George W. Bush laid waste to the US economy and half of the Middle East in 8 years.
Do we want to hand the keys back to the National Security State by jumping on the Comey, McCabe, Mueller bandwagon?
Trump's chief of staff is a retired general, the Sec. of Defense is a general, his National Security Advisor is John Bolton...and with a straight face you deny that Trump is part of the National Security State?
Quote: People who favor this are out to get our country in a very negative way and are hazardous anti-patriots, in my opinion.
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Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State
John Bolton, National Security Advisor
Doncha hate people who say -- "I told you so"
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The above statement is that "if Trump has National Security State people in his administration, then that proves he is part of the National Security State".
This reasoning, to me, is very discouraging and depressing. It reveals just how resistant the public is to recognizing what goes on in their government.
I don't know how anyone can watch the news about the Robert Mueller investigation (and Comey) and not get the picture of what is going on?
I know so many people these days who don't have any motivation to seek after the truth for truth's sake. I can only attribute this to in influence of so many third-world people coming to our country in positions of influence (especially in Silicon Valley).
America has always operated on the concepts laid down in the Enlightenment of the 18th Century. This involved learning from people like Thomas Jefferson who themselves had gone to great lengths to learn everything they could possible learn from reading and education.
We forget that third-world countries never went through the Enlightenment. So people in these countries such as Egypt, Yemen, Vietnam, etc. don't see any value in the truth for the sake of truth. Sadly, for these people, if it serves your interest best to lie, then you lie. Even the Ten Commandments only prohibits "bearing false witness." It does not prohibit lying as such. And, although I believe in the Ten Commandments as far as they go, they were at their inception, a Third World document.
If you say that if Trump has National Security State people in his administration, that this proves he is part of the National Security State, then you are either deliberately turning the facts on their head, or maybe one does not even have the simplest understanding of the National Security State.
The National Security State is a group of positions and entities that was set up in 1946 and 1947 with the express goal of limiting or even destroying the legal power of the President. These entities and their members ARE INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT by definition.
Trump having members of the National Security State in his government is like a person living in a house that has a huge infestation of termites. Termites, by definition, live in the inner-walls and the interstices of houses. Sometimes they are even seen in the open.
The above comment about Trump is like saying if you have termites in your house, that proves you love termites. Or that you are a termite collector.
In appointing people, Trump has to pick from among the available candidates. Generally, most people beat down the door of the White House to get a job inside. Bolton, Pompeo, General Mattis, etc. were chosen from among the available people. Trump has no way of knowing what the feelings are of his nominees regarding the National Security State. That's not something you have tatoo-ed on your forehead. Trump may, in some cases, be picking people from a list of people ALL OF WHOM HATE HIM! They may be the only experienced or qualified people for certain positions. So then, what does Trump do?
Regarding the entire battleground of Trump vs the National Security State, Trump is fighting against pro-National Security State people who, by definition, are already inside his administration. It seems that Trump, in some (if not most) cases has to choose from among an array of people WHO ALL ARE PRO-NATIONAL SECURITY STATE. People like Exxon Chairman Rex Tillerson, who are not pro-National Security State or who are neutral on the issue, give up and go home. Ditto with Dr. Ben Carson who will probably give up soon.
The war is between "pro" and "anti" National Security State people INSIDE HIS ADMINISTRATION. Just because they are there doesn't mean that Trump had any real choice about them being there.
Some people follow a child-like or simplistic analysis which believes if Trump nominates a person for a position, then that person is really entirely Trump's choice (whom he picks from a multitude of possible candidates). Further, they posit that Trump has a complete and thorough understanding of the people whom he hires and their innermost thoughts and beliefs.
It is like the idea of a labor union. Probably almost nobody who owns a business would go out and seek labor union activists to populate their workforce. But they wind up with union activists in their workforce. That is not their choice. Rather, its a situation that can't be helped.
If Trump winds up with Bolton and Pompeo as his National Security team, that doesn't mean he's part of the National Security State. To miss that point is to misunderstand virtually every major "news item" that has been in the press for the last year and one-half.
Or is it just one of those arguments like "somebody would have talked" which is used (some believe) to disprove the existence of a JFK conspiracy. It's not a legitimate argument. It's just a sentence made up of a few words that can give the vague impression of being an argument. But really, it just fills the space which is vacant because some people are too careless or insincere to deal with the reality of complex and serious issues.
It is with complex and serious issues which the (better part of our) citizenry are currently trying to grapple. Let's not have anybody just be serving as a bad example.
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Quote:The National Security State is a group of positions and entities that was set up in 1946 and 1947 with the express goal of limiting or even destroying the legal power of the President. These entities and their members ARE INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT by definition.
Lockheed Martin isn't part of the National Security State?
There's no melding of private corporations and elements inside the government?
The National Security State MIC is mostly loyal to the Globalist Proto-Autocracy but the ranks of the military and law enforcement are stocked with people who are either loyal to the institution first, or to the bible-thumping Dominionist Proto-Autocracy spearheaded in recent years by Trump.
The Globalists want to make the world safe for bankers.
The Dominionists want to make the world safe for the return of Jesus.
Trump serves both.
Robert Mueller is investigating a career sleazeball criminal traitor.
May Agent Orange die in jail.
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