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Would someone give this info to Sandy Larson at the Ed Forum please!
#31
Albert Doyle Wrote:Probably because the safety measures and security practiced by Federal Reserve banks was so good that those who forged the evidence after the assassination couldn't crack it.

Its a possibility, anythings possible. I mean, after all its kinda like looking for a needle in a heystack. It's like some people take 50 plus years to find what they're looking for while someone else finds it in five minutes, go figure?
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#32
What Tom seems to express is unavoidable reasoning to follow conclusions as presented. There is absolutely nothing wrong to swim in theory, most of the language if not all of it Tom put up hence at how the Federal Reserve Bank charges the dispersing Banks PMOs, and it seems to me that once all avenues have been exhausted, no one is no longer swimming in theory, then the evidence which now presents itself closes this part of the line of questioning without debate. I believe I did just that Tom.

If the following statement seems to be factual evidence for some, it's not for me, in a post recorded from Tom is the following statment.

"The holes indicate the serial number of the money order and the exact amount of the face value, and nothing else."

Tom, my suggestion to you even though you're a lawyer I believe you should let theories raise theories, and facts be facts.
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#33
Everyone may say there's no FRB endorsement on the PMO so therefore it has got to be forged, but did anyone know where the FRB would have endorse the PMO? That is NOW provided. Because a few recite chapters and or numbers the question still remains, is or was anyone really sure where the FRB endorsed the PMOs if they were endorsed at all?

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...y-the-bank

I believe the findings in THIS thread are indisputable not even DVP in his right mind could question them.
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#34
Scott Kaiser Wrote:In 1963 EACH batch shall show the following information on ALL PMO including the fraudulent postal money order Lee Harvey Oswald was set up with. Any questions David?

7050.30 -Prepare an adding machine listing of each batch showing the following information:

FRB name or code at the top.

* The amount of each item.
* The total amount of the batch.
* FRB clearance date.
* Batch number.

A batch is a quantity of at least several items and does not speak to the bank clearing at either Chicago First National or Regional Federal Reserve Bank process......

Quote:http://jfk.education/node/13
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..........The Federal Reserve places an endorsement on all items that it processes through reader sort equipment. However, the Federal Reserve also offers a program, called "fine-sort," whereby depositing institutions may deposit checks that have been presorted and packaged according to payor institution. The Federal Reserve delivers these checks to the payor institutions along with the checks the Federal Reserve has itself processed.
The collection of checks in the fine sort program is accelerated because they can be deposited later than other check deposits.
In addition, the fine sort program is the most efficient method of collecting checks in certain instances,
such as when an institution of first deposit has a relatively large number of checks drawn on a particular payor institution.
Although the lack of the Federal Reserve endorsement on checks collected through the fine sort program may be a source of inconvenience for some depository institutions, primarily the larger institutions that may receive checks from several several sources other than the Federal
Reserve, the fine sort program does not result in significant problems in the return item process. We believe the fine sort program results in
improve- ments in the speed and efficiency of the nation's check collection system" .....
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Scott Kaiser Wrote:What Tom seems to express is unavoidable reasoning to follow conclusions as presented. There is absolutely nothing wrong to swim in theory, most of the language if not all of it Tom put up hence at how the Federal Reserve Bank charges the dispersing Banks PMOs, and it seems to me that once all avenues have been exhausted, no one is no longer swimming in theory, then the evidence which now presents itself closes this part of the line of questioning without debate. I believe I did just that Tom.

If the following statement seems to be factual evidence for some, it's not for me, in a post recorded from Tom is the following statment.

"The holes indicate the serial number of the money order and the exact amount of the face value, and nothing else."

Tom, my suggestion to you even though you're a lawyer I believe you should let theories raise theories, and facts be facts.

Can you exhibit no example of adequate reading comprehension? I assume, reading your nonsensical, "how the Federal Reserve Bank charges,"
that you were reacting to your interpretation of this, but your wording is too incoherent to offer more than a guess about your inadequate understanding.:

Quote:http://jfk.education/node/12
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http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/fi...0003-3.pdf

[Image: FedTreasuryADPstudy6.jpg]

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Tom Scully Wrote:........

Scott Kaiser Wrote:Oh, and by the way I called and recorded my conversation with an officer at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Antonio 210-978-1200. The officer I spoke to informed me he was very familiar with the procedures on handling the old puch out 1963 USPMO's.

His exact words were before sending the batch of PMO's back to the USPS they EACH get recorded and double checked against the USPS forms for acuracy before endorsement. I asked where does the FRB endorse the PMO? I wanted him to tell me, he replied, ALL PMO's get endorsed on the back side usually under the cashing banks endorsement, this should NOW put this to rest.

The postal money order we are discussing was not sending the batch of PMO's back to the USPS, you are describing a then obsolete process obsolete with regard to all postal money orders sold by post offices in Dallas and in Chicago after January 4, 1963. The postal money order under discussion was automatically processed identically to US government checks. It was sent to the Treasurer's ADP system in Washington, DC, not to the USPO money order center in Kansas City.

There is no dispute that my research established as fact that you are describing a process that was obsolete with regard to the postal money order in question. The details you have provided in your post are irrelevant. The purpose of the changes to postal money order design and issuance announced in spring 1962 and established after January 4, 1963 in Dallas and Chicago post offices and throughout the country by later in 1963 was to eliminate the cost of a $600,000 annual contract with regional Federal Reserve Banks to


Quote:....before sending the batch of PMO's back to the USPS they EACH get recorded and double checked against the USPS forms for acuracy before endorsement.

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Quote:http://jfk.education/node/11
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[Image: TreasuryLocaterNumber2of2.jpg]

Scott Kaiser Wrote:Everyone may say there's no FRB endorsement on the PMO so therefore it has got to be forged, but did anyone know where the FRB would have endorse the PMO? That is NOW provided. Because a few recite chapters and or numbers the question still remains, is or was anyone really sure where the FRB endorsed the PMOs if they were endorsed at all?

I believe the findings in THIS thread are indisputable not even DVP in his right mind could question them.

Readers can decide if you have misled them with information from the San Antonio source you posted quotes from that my November, 2015 research clearly informs was obsolete and irrelevant in relation to the $21.45 postal money order purchased in March, 1963, which was of a point of sale design and issuance driving a totally automated post bank deposit processing that no longer returned the paid $21.45 postal money order to the Post Office postal money order center, or not....

Quote:https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...post115921

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But, we are discussing a money order with a March, 1963 date on it, and the only thing I know for sure is that you have no evidence related to the process marking of this yellow-tint, 1963 money order that required no FRB key punching. Remember the guy you told me was admitted into the NYC radio station to meet with the talk show host? This is a similar scenario in that, just as in that example, I supported all that I claimed with documentation both John and you had never seen before. You asked no questions, and you are not asking any in this go round. My agenda is seeking a high level of accuracy, and yours is making the pieces fit conclusions you rigidly cling to.

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Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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#35
There is sure a lot of discussion about how many holes are found in the postal money order I like to think of myself as the one filling the hole. 😉
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#36
Quote:Readers can decide if you have misled them

Okay MB Jr.
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#37
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Oh, and by the way I called and recorded my conversation with an officer at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Antonio 210-978-1200. The officer I spoke to informed me he was very familiar with the procedures on handling the old puch out 1963 USPMO's.

His exact words were before sending the batch of PMO's back to the USPS they EACH get recorded and double checked against the USPS forms for acuracy before endorsement. I asked where does the FRB endorse the PMO? I wanted him to tell me, he replied, ALL PMO's get endorsed on the back side usually under the cashing banks endorsement, this should NOW put this to rest.

This is more background of what your source describes, and in a final attempt to penetrate your defenses against comprehension,
this is a deeper explanation, and it was obsolete and irrelevant related to all postal money orders sold in Dallas after January 4, 1963.:

https://bulk.resource.org/gao.gov/91-375/0000AA67.pdf
Image of relevant page of .pdf document linked directly above:
[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8809&stc=1]

The 1960 testimony in the image above was given by the same postal official, J. Harold Marks, the Secret Service claimed to
have obtained the original $21.45 postal money order from on the evening of November 23, 1963.:
http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docI...nd%20order

Image and link above taken from my post on November 13, 2016
Quote:..........
In addition, we now have an explanation from an original source, for the
much higher serial number on the $21.45 PMO than several numbers issued on
Dallas PMOs three months earlier, in Dec., 1962.:

See page 2, article image link is below link to 4 page .pdf document.:
http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20338_19621129.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22
Image of page 2 article announcing money order issuance changes for 5 Jan, 1963:
http://jfk.education/images/1963DallasPostalMoneyOrderSerialNumbersIofIII.jpg

Postmasters were instructed to burn 1962 issued (blue tinted) money order
forms after close of business on 4 Jan., 1963:
http://www.uspostalbulletins.com/PDF/Vol83_Issue20342_19621227.pdf#search=%22money%20order%22 -pages 4 and 5
Image of .pdf page 5. Burn instructions in right column:

http://jfk.education/images/1963DallasPostalMoneyOrderSerialNumbersIIIofIII.jpg

Both the older, blue-tinted money order forms and the post Jan. 4, 1963
yellow tinted forms were also tabulator cards. The former were
individually viewed by an operator during Federal Reserve bank batch
processing and the face amount displayed on each postal money order was
maually key punched in round hole machine code on the right side of each
postal money order by an FRB key-punch operator. This process became
obsolete and discontinued for FRB processing of all postal money orders
issued by Dallas region post offices after 4 Jan., 1963.:

(a page describing FRB PMO manual key-punching, from a brief, 1960
congressional committee hearing. The term "raised" is interchangeable with
the terms "forged" or "counterfeited")

https://bulk.resource.org/gao.gov/91-375/0000AA67.pdf
Link to image of relevant page of .pdf document linked directly above:
http://jfk.education/images/1962andEarlierFRBpostalMO.jpg

So, we know the Federal Reserve Bank key-punched round holes into PMOs
issued in Dallas before 5 Jan., 1963, but as of yet we have no documents
specific to what other FRB marks were affixed to postal money orders
processed by FRB before or after 5 Jan., 1963.


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Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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#38
Tom for some strange reason you like someone else I know have a very hard time knowing when you should concede, and for whatever reason you must believe a mile-long post by you is suppose to convince me or anyone reading your post that you actually know what you're talking about. For the life of me I can't understand you, therefore, and for the last time, I will provide you the only link you will ever need to know that will answer all your questions regarding postal money orders and the Federal Reserve Banks that dates back to 1963 and the past 20 years, this information changed in 1973, please READ!. Now have I made my point?

http://tfm.fiscal.treasury.gov/v2/p4/c700.html
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#39
Quote:So, we know the Federal Reserve Bank key-punched round holes into PMOs issued in Dallas before 5 Jan., 1963, but as of yet we have no documents.

First off the PMO was supposed to have been mailed to Klines Supporting right? After the alleged endorsement by the Chicago Bank it was supposed to have been sent off to the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago not Dallas.

Point number two, I have already provided you with point number one. The link that answers all your questions regarding postal money orders and how the Federal Reserve handles them.

And it's the only link You'll Ever Need!
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#40
By the way I did provide the information all anyone has to do is simply read it.
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