The Dancing Israelis

[Lauren Johnson]

[Peter Lemkin]

Yeah, that is a good one...but only the tip of the iceberg. Bollyn has a lot of good material on the Israeli connection - but he makes the argument that they were almost the initiators of the plot. I do NOT agree. They played a role, as did other intelligence agencies - UK, Pakistani, Saudi, others. The primary plotters were connected to Chaney and Rumsfeld's crowd. Read 'Another Nineteen' by Ryan if you want the best account of 'who done it'.

[Anthony Thorne]

Yeah, that is a good one...but only the tip of the iceberg. Bollyn has a lot of good material on the Israeli connection - but he makes the argument that they were almost the initiators of the plot. I do NOT agree. They played a role, as did other intelligence agencies - UK, Pakistani, Saudi, others. The primary plotters were connected to Chaney and Rumsfeld's crowd. Read 'Another Nineteen' by Ryan if you want the best account of 'who done it'.

Bollyn is very good at looking at one side of the plot, and he dug up some ingenious and damning connections between US - Israeli players through the Iran Contra era that made me stop and go 'hmmmm' - but his very good online lectures drift towards superficiality when he touches on the genesis of events in the 70's. He talks about the 1979 Jerusalem Conference, Arnon Milchan's pop culture display of future relevant tropes in stuff like THE MEDUSA TOUCH (plane crashes), and an interview or two from the era alluding to later events. I believe the US side of things went back earlier than that though. Stefan Possony published a volume that pre-empted the thesis of the 1979 conference - INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM-THE COMMUNIST CONNECTION - in 1978. Digging through Possony's connections through those years (as the 1978 book would have been conceived and written well before publication) leads to other suspicious folk in suspicious groups doing suspicious things. I spent a week or two writing down names and connections last year and found a few less discussed links among the usually discussed neocon progenitors, Samuel Huntington, Ikle, Wohlstetter, Perle, Henry Jackson, and their various compatriots, and a few policy developments that suggest some of the bright ideas that later bore fruit were conceived through that era. I think that by the time that 1979 conference put US think-tank/intel/militarists and Israeli military/intel folk in lockstep with the hoped-for plan, the US side of things had already been in nascent development for a few years. As Peter says, Bollyn presents the scenario as one that was brought to the US and imposed by an interlocked team of powerful Israeli govt and military planners. I think Bollyn underestimates and overlooks to what degree US planners were themselves bringing things to the table.

A few years before that 1979 conference that he spearheaded, Netanyahu was working at the Boston Consulting Group. Years afterward, key participants and players would remain wedded to the same milieu, through the spook-ridden Kennedy School of Government, and its hub of 'research, teaching and training in international security', the Belfer Centre. Robert Blackwill, political counsellor to Tel Aviv during the 1979 conference, later took up long term residence there, as did Blackwill's Reagan-era NSC assistant, Philip Zelikow. It's a tangled web, and I've barely touched on the red flag connections that appear the more you dig into it, but if you're looking for a seat of 9/11 planning for the years prior to when Rumsfeld and several others began getting down to brass tacks in the 90's, the Belfer Centre is it.

[Peter Lemkin]

Also great reading for anyone new to 911, or who needs a refresher course is Demolition Access by Ryan...here is part I of IV.... http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/d...ss_p1.html

[Peter Lemkin]

[Dawn Meredith]

The videos posted are just a black square for me. ??

[Lauren Johnson]

The videos posted are just a black square for me. ??

I have no idea what's going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...XHm56O2NTI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raWB3SabMYg