Tragedy and Hope - Carol Quigley

[Dawn Meredith]

The quintessential Anglo-American insiders account.
Available as a pdf here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2488794/1966-C...n-Our-Time

Quigley was a famous professor and historian also consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Navy, the Smithsonian Institution or U.S. President Bill Clinton. Clinton named Quigley as an important influence during his acceptance speech to the 1992 Democratic National Convention. He was also known as insider to group known as "The Round Table". This book was written for these groups as an internal study and speaks open about the history of Round Table and Rhodes society!

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the ... Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.
I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.�
- Quigley, TH, page 786.

I have always found this very curious. Most of us know that Clinton was inducted into the CIA while a Rhodes Scholar and selected as POTUS. Yet he makes a speech where he names a person who knows true history as "an important influence". Was he trying to tell us something? Or them?

Just musing on a Sat afternoon.

Dawn

[Lauren Johnson]

I have always found this very curious. Most of us know that Clinton was inducted into the CIA while a Rhodes Scholar and selected as POTUS. Yet he makes a speech where he names a person who knows true history as "an important influence". Was he trying to tell us something? Or them?

I'm going with "them." He's sending a signal, I'm the winning team.

BTW, my theory about Clinton was that he was selected to be POTUS because he was so corrupt. It would make great TV and set up the election of GWB.

[R.K. Locke]

In the 1970's The John Birch Sociey pushed this book as it gave an "insiders" look at what was coming, "serfdom' for the world. The Koch brothers father was a Society founder. Isn't it iron that the Kocks are in the forefront of the "bring serfdom to America" movement, aka "Freedom Works." "Slavery is Freedom says Orwell in "1984."

Researcher Kevin Cole addresses some of the right wing/Bircher bastardizations of Quigley here:

[Dawn Meredith]

I have always found this very curious. Most of us know that Clinton was inducted into the CIA while a Rhodes Scholar and selected as POTUS. Yet he makes a speech where he names a person who knows true history as "an important influence". Was he trying to tell us something? Or them?

I'm going with "them." He's sending a signal, I'm the winning team.

BTW, my theory about Clinton was that he was selected to be POTUS because he was so corrupt. It would make great TV and set up the election of GWB.

Oh God yes. He and Poppy Bush up to their asses in CIA cocaine dealing. Now Jeb is getting ready for a run. If Poppy was involved in the JFK assassination, which I believe there is much evidence for, then the cold irony of them killing a "dynasty" and putting their own into the WH makes me ill.

Dawn

[Kenneth Kapel]

A very interesting presentation. Thank you for the link.

[Lauren Johnson]

I have always found this very curious. Most of us know that Clinton was inducted into the CIA while a Rhodes Scholar and selected as POTUS. Yet he makes a speech where he names a person who knows true history as "an important influence". Was he trying to tell us something? Or them?

I'm going with "them." He's sending a signal, I'm the winning team.

BTW, my theory about Clinton was that he was selected to be POTUS because he was so corrupt. It would make great TV and set up the election of GWB.

Oh God yes. He and Poppy Bush up to their asses in CIA cocaine dealing. Now Jeb is getting ready for a run. If Poppy was involved in the JFK assassination, which I believe there is much evidence for, then the cold irony of them killing a "dynasty" and putting their own into the WH makes me ill.

Dawn

And remember, after the devastating tsunami that devastated Phuket, etc., Clinton and GHWB went on their weird humanitarian tour. Here's how the conversation went. (I have very reliable sources.)

GHWB: Bill, were pretty tough on you during your terms in office, but that's the way it was supposed to happen.\

BC: What's that's supposed to mean?

GHWB: Remember, I gave up my second term to put you in. Remember?

BC: Yah. And ...

GHWB: Well, once we got you in there, we new we owned your sorry ass, and we knew you couldn't keep your pecker in your pants. And we provided you with lots of opportunities?

BC: Ooookay. Where's this goin'?

GHWB: We knew that after we beat you up enough, we would have my kid ready, and the. And I made damn sure we owned him. We knew we could get him in, because the country was sick of you.

BC: And?

GHWB: We had Georgie scripted to lead the country to war because of 9/11. Course, he still hasn't figured that out. Dumber than a bag of hammers. Get this, to this day he thinks he was a great President and save America.

BC: Gotta tell ya George, it wasn't a lot of fun.

GHWB: But it all worked out. You might be worth one bill by the your pushin' daisies. Just between you and me. I'm out of the game now, but I hear that Hilary is being scripted for the titanic battle for POTUS with Jeb in 2016. But I don't know who the winner is supposed to be yet. So you enjoy your money and whatever else you enjoy. You and Hilary have a long way to go.

BC: Really, where were you when Kennedy was shot?

GHWB: Oh, Bill, you know I can't remember.

[Marlene Zenker]

The quintessential Anglo-American insiders account.
Available as a pdf here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2488794/1966-C...n-Our-Time

Quigley was a famous professor and historian also consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Navy, the Smithsonian Institution or U.S. President Bill Clinton. Clinton named Quigley as an important influence during his acceptance speech to the 1992 Democratic National Convention. He was also known as insider to group known as "The Round Table". This book was written for these groups as an internal study and speaks open about the history of Round Table and Rhodes society!

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the ... Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.
I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.�
- Quigley, TH, page 786.

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[Lauren Johnson]

Look here.

[David Guyatt]

Look here.

It is also available as a free .pdf that opens directly into your browser here

The book is vast, some 1300 pages, and very heavy too - it damn nearly broke my wrist hefting it around. A .pdf is far more civilised, I think.

As I recall, Quigley said in a later interview that there were a couple of dozen really important pages, and these were, as I recall, those about the Rhodes-Milner banking and non-ferrous (precious) metals and commodities aspects.

Anyway, there is an interesting interview given by Quigley in 1974 HERE.

He speaks about Arnold Toynbee's role in the Kintergarden. Toynbee was, in addition, a member of Britain's Secret Intelligence Service.

Quigley also very briefly, discusses Alfred Zimmern's explanation why he left the Roundtable in 1923, mainly because he disagreed with their aim to build and develop Germany after WWI to act as a counterweight against France. But Quigley very quickly gets off this subject as he realises it is very sensitive.

On Toynbee and Allen Dulles, there is also this little interesting snippet, circa 1947 and 1942:

Meanwhile, one of the more intriguing pieces of information regarding the Dulles brothers is their interest in the Council on Foreign Relations, an elite group of policy makers that sprang out of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. The CFR was formed as the sister organisation of the British Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), which was founded by those closely associated with the aims of the Rhodes-Milner group.Moreover, according to Peter Grose in his all-too-flattering biography of Allen Dulles,Gentleman Spy, Dulles travelled to Europe in 1947, where he "… paused in London for meetings with Alan Toynbee and took a leisurely side trip to Oxford at its loveliest' for mellow conversations in the common room of All Souls, where matters of import could be considered over port and cigars." [v]

The name Arnold Toynbee, naturally raises interest, for he was one of that small and close band of disciples of John Ruskin at Oxford that included Cecil Rhodes, Lord Alfred Milner and others who became principal architects of the Rhodes-Milner group that sat at the very heart of the RIIA-CFR, Anglo-American relationship. Peter Grose also references what is portrayed as an almost chance encounter between Dulles and Arnold Toynbee (the nephew of the Toynbee the older) on board a Pan American Clipper "Flying Boat" in 1942. This was during Dulles's extended journey to Switzerland for the purpose of taking up residence as the senior OSS man. Toynbee, in addition to his Oxford connections, was also a member of Britain's secret intelligence service.

Quigley also explains in this interview that the main man in the All Souls Round Table Group was Lionel Curtis. His Wiki entry is HERE and is worth a read because it shows that Curtis was the originator of a new world order easing to world state that he stylised as a Federal World Government (as I recall the first reference he made to this was around 1898 ish?).

[Lauren Johnson]

David, the copy you link to includes! pages the often eliminated two pages. The large copy at Pirate Bay is a scan of the book, which has the original pagination, in case someone wanted to find something that way. The tables are much easier to read as well.