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24-10-2009, 01:18 PM
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Jack White Wrote:Steve Franklin Wrote:Bernice Moore Wrote:no matter what Peter, they will say such as flying debris...b
Actually, the first photo bears a peculiar similarity to the George Adamski "chicken brooder" photographs. The three balls underneath are particularly interesting.
Look again. There are FIVE balls around the rim.
Jack
Actually, at first, I thought there were five balls, But then I looked again. At least one of the balls appears to be a reflection from the rim, and four asymmetric balls don't make a lot of sense. The relevant photos are between pp 112 & 113 of Leslie and Adamski's Flying Saucers Have Landed and can be seen online by simply typing "Adamski" into Google Images.
The real question is how something that long ago was written off as a hoax manages to show up in images of the WTC. I can see two possibilities. 1) Adamski was for real and these are the same kind of craft (future historians checking out what really happened?) that he photographed. 2) The WTC photos themselves have been hoaxed.
You may want to take a look at the
Haunabu page. These are images of a series of purported German WWII experimental craft. The resemblance to the Adamski saucer is striking.
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In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.
From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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David Guyatt Wrote:In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.
From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.
Adamski as hoax? Yes.
Majority of "saucers" and other UFOs explainable as very human technology with connections to Nazi-sponsored projects? Yes.
UFO phenomena as central components in multiple intelligence operations including mind control and propaganda efforts? Yes.
Strong likelihood that the 9-11 UFO is best understood as an intel op? Yes.
Conclusion valid that all otherwise unexplained UFO phenomena are attributable to human activity? No.
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I did not present this as a UFO.
I presented it as an UNIDENTIFIED flying object.
It deserves serious consideration regarding what it may be.
It is a very fast moving DISK with five lights around the rim.
It appears to be something real. It is not flying debris nor a
helicopter.
Making humor and ridicule out of it is a disinformation technique.
Jack
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Jack,
No humor or ridicule from me, my friend.
Simply an opinion.
Charles
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David Guyatt Wrote:In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.
From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.
Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."
As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?
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Steve Franklin Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:In answer to your question: Adamski wasn't real. It is a well known hoax.
From which the obvious conclusion can be drawn about UFO's and 911, I think.
Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."
As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?
It is one of the best known videos of the south tower event. I do not
remember the name of it but it is the one showing the "nose out" event.
I do not know the provenance.
Jack
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Jack, I quite agree it is worthy of full exploration. Most things on 9-11 are...as the official version is a cartload of horse****! I believe the planners counted on what Hitler called the 'Big Lie' effect - that most people are more apt to believe a BIG lie than a small one - incapable of believing something HUGE could be purposely constructed as a deception. Dallas was pretty major when one knows where to look - but 911 was really HUGE; so huge most just can't wrap their minds around it being a purposeful false-flag deception [but strangely they can imagine 19+ angry men pulling it off - and anyway the authorities said it was so...so it is so for many; and easier to 'swallow'].
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25-10-2009, 10:58 AM
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[quote=Steve Franklin]
[quote]Keep in mind that it was "well known" during the Middle Ages that the world was flat. What is well known is commonly whatever nonsense is generally accepted by specialist communities whose average IQ is not much higher than the general population. These are mainly characters who have sat in a classroom and copied whatever nonsense the professor has written on the blackboard, most of which is "well known."
[COLOR="Red"]Well, I suppose I can reply by saying that I wasn't around in the middle ages and, for me, the world has always been round. The fundamental choke on knowledge you speak of however, was managed - under penalty of torture and death - by the movers and shakers running the Catholic Church, who hindered every forward advance in knowledge in order to keep their power franchise ticking along. But this period also produced some of the greatest thinkers of history who managed a great leap forward in the understanding of mankind and progressed civilization forward, despite these dangerous restrictions.
But back to the point. I don't know about you Steve, but I was around in the days of George Adamski, was actively involved in investigating the UFO phenomenon for the highly respected Tuscon based APRO, edited a UK UFO magazine for awhile, and personally knew most of the movers and shakers in the UK - and elsewhere too. Adamski was a fake. And a highly obvious one.[/COLOR]
As for whether this thing was presented as a UFO or not, it is shown immediately next to a classic photo of a saucer. I would be interested in knowing where the photo in question came from--what was its chain of possession?
[COLOR="red"]Which is rather the point I'm trying to make. Before jumping to conclusions it is wiser to thoroughly investigate what the "object" was. On the net, this particular "sighting" is being upped by many in the UFO community as a UFO.
I feel rather strongly that this should be actively combatted (at this stage anyway), if only because I smell a distant whiff of psyops in action. I cannot help but wonder if this is a designedly deflective activity. The pressure building about US/Israeli complicity in 911 is increasing by the day. The media can, if they wish to, use this UFO story to further discredit genuine and continuing investigation into the deep events of 911 and this will consequently have a considerable impact amongst the great unwashed public.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14