06-12-2009, 02:38 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2009, 04:46 PM by Dawn Meredith.)
While in Dallas I and an opportunity to hang out with John Armstrong and was able to snag the last copy of his book from Andy. I am about one third into it and like Jack White says: this is must reading. The incredible detail, the many misstatements told to the WC by the bogus Marg. Oswald, ("mother" to Harvey), the parallel lives lived by both Harvey (the patsy ) and Lee, is just fascinating and leaves the reader aware just how complex this conspiracy actually was. John burned up a lot of shoe leather in tracing the lives of these two men and two mothers, via school , home, birth, and marrriage records as well as many interviews. It becomes very clear that the FBI agents who interviewed some of the teachers were aware of the two Oswalds, and by then probably the implications of such. Early on you feel empathy and sympathy for the under-nourished little tyke who would be later sent to Russia -(from where he came)- to "defect", prior to being set up as the Patsy.
This book is hard to find. One used at Amazon is $168.00. I am assuming Andy at The Last Hurrah must have more. (Sadly, there is not a single review at Amazon). I highly recommend this valuable work.
Does anyone know what became of the other Marguerite Oswald, who raised Harvey? One has to wonder what she thought after 11/22/63 and in the years that fallowed.
06-12-2009, 06:50 PM (This post was last modified: 07-12-2009, 07:36 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Dawn Meredith Wrote:While in Dallas I and an opportunity to hang out with John Armstrong and was able to snag the last copy of his book from Andy. I am about one third into it and like Jack White says: this is must reading. The incredible detail, the many misstatements told to the WC by the bogus Marg. Oswald, ("mother" to Harvey), the parallel lives lived by both Harvey (the patsy ) and Lee, is just fascinating and leaves the reader aware just how complex this conspiracy actually was. John burned up a lot of shoe leather in tracing the lives of these two men and two mothers, via school , home, birth, and marrriage records as well as many interviews. It becomes very clear that the FBI agents who interviewed some of the teachers were aware of the two Oswalds, and by then probably the implications of such. Early on you feel empathy and sympathy for the under-nourished little tyke who would be later sent to Russia -(from where he came)- to "defect", prior to being set up as the Patsy.
This book is hard to find. One used at Amazon is $168.00. I am assuming Andy at The Last Hurrah must have more. (Sadly, there is not a single review at Amazon). I highly recommend this valuable work.
Dawn
It is, as you say, a mind-bending book. Great research effort and the BEST book on Oswald [and much of the case] by far!!! No real researcher should be without it, no matter what the cost or effort!.....
By the way, Dawn or anyone else who spoke with John, did he give any indication he might try to finish his work? He has about as much [or more] than is in the book - but left it out, as he didn't have enough multiple sources to confirm. A follow-up volume would be a great contribution! Nevertheless, it is a must-have and tells more about Oswald and his legend than any other book!
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07-12-2009, 07:48 AM (This post was last modified: 07-12-2009, 08:20 AM by Bernice Moore.)
hi dawn peter..here is a photo comp by jack and a few others.. of the marguerites...i have no idea and do not think anyone does at this time what happened to the other woman though it has been kicked around..it took it seems years for this book to begin to be appreciated all the years it was available at jfk research there appeared to be so little interest within except for the membership..it was given such a hard time when first published by not only numerous lnrs and still is but but numerous ctrs as well and their forums,,one track thought it appeared to be similar as with the zapruder film alterations which now thanks to doug horne's new research just may be getting through to some others who had not looked into such really in the past and some did outrightly deny as simply put it appeared to be not accepted within those forums..but then the changing of history is always drastic to achieve and be accepted..as the winners write such and often has been filled with their lies.and or their in stone views.....and still is,both the two lhos and the zappy alterations will always be denied by somether than the lnrs.. because it nullifys somes theory's and others research that is in stone..they dismiss it out of pressure in some cases by their peers and in others god forbid they may be called an alterationist and the world will end...:vollkommenauf:which is an absolute no no..to clarify my world has never ended...Walt only handles the lho book now exclusively and yes there are more copies available, this past year or so on the forums an interest has been seenslowly growing in it..as some try to obtain a copy...and it appears it is slowly being accepted ,yet there have been and were early books on the two oswalds, though they were also relatively ignored mainly..by the main researchers of the time...the book is the golden egg when it comes to the lho studies it is the treasure...and is the result of an amazing trail that john went on to bring it to us that led him around the world .at a cost in the hundred thousand i believe if memory is holding.....there is up to a garage full in size i believe of his further info if in error jack please correct me..that he did not include as if he could not document and verify whatever information not like some... it did not make it into the book...so hopefully some day he may return to such and release more for all....it has been so dfficult for some seemingly to get their thoughts around the possibility that the gov would have such a program and yet they do believe in all kinds of other programs that they have been and were.involved in......but then as mentioned it disolves some of their favourite theorys so is simply dismissed out of hand...thanks for your time.all take good care best .b..:vollkommenauf:
I believe that John is done with this. I did not actually hear him say those exact words but others who are close to him have. It's laid bare waiting for the next person to pick up this trail. I read that Jack said John did not have two sources on other information so did not use it.
In spite of rebuttals online,-by the ususal round of suspects- his case is damn convincing.
07-12-2009, 02:09 PM (This post was last modified: 07-12-2009, 02:34 PM by Bernice Moore.)
yes Jack over the past years has made mention many a time that john will not return to it..but then he had said in the past memory here he was all through and yet turned up in Dallas this year so nothing is forever it appears at times...if not i do hope he will alow access to some who will...though that door was never accessed by one young researcher at rich's named jeff who did try repeatedly and was doing great work..on his own in certain areas john had not fully developed and after trying his best is and has been gone for some time.now.......but that was then and this is now so fingers crossed...perhaps dallas was a good sign it did prove one thing he has far forgotten about all and is not through with it...it appears or he would not have been there..yes if he did not have the positive sources and doc and or verification to prove what he stated whatever was discarded and left aside not as so many others who do their surmizing thinkies i call them and included within their info as being solid when that is so far from the truthit is in the end seen as a form of misinformation as it is called...they do so include it appears if it relates to their theory in any way but if not they leave other info out,,and do not take kindly in anyway to critiques by fraking out to some degree and showing very thin skins which gets them nowhere in the continuing battles called research ,.b:ciao:the three hamburglers at the time in dallas a few years back the size of the food platters was amazing..thats armstrong, white and cameron...they did have a great tme that year they said after returning..i think this may be the year john's book first came out.2004..b
Bernice Moore Wrote:hi dawn peter..here is a photo comp by jack and a few others.. of the marguerites...i have no idea and do not think anyone does at this time what happened to the other woman though it has been kicked around..it took it seems years for this book to begin to be appreciated all the years it was available at jfk research there appeared to be so little interest within except for the membership..it was given such a hard time when first published by not only numerous lnrs and still is but but numerous ctrs as well and their forums,,one track thought it appeared to be similar as with the zapruder film alterations which now thanks to doug horne's new research just may be getting through to some others who had not looked into such really in the past and some did outrightly deny as simply put it appeared to be not accepted within those forums..but then the changing of history is always drastic to achieve and be accepted..as the winners write such and often has been filled with their lies.and or their in stone views.....and still is,both the two lhos and the zappy alterations will always be denied by somether than the lnrs.. because it nullifys somes theory's and others research that is in stone..they dismiss it out of pressure in some cases by their peers and in others god forbid they may be called an alterationist and the world will end...:vollkommenauf:which is an absolute no no..to clarify my world has never ended...Walt only handles the lho book now exclusively and yes there are more copies available, this past year or so on the forums an interest has been seenslowly growing in it..as some try to obtain a copy...and it appears it is slowly being accepted ,yet there have been and were early books on the two oswalds, though they were also relatively ignored mainly..by the main researchers of the time...the book is the golden egg when it comes to the lho studies it is the treasure...and is the result of an amazing trail that john went on to bring it to us that led him around the world .at a cost in the hundred thousand i believe if memory is holding.....there is up to a garage full in size i believe of his further info if in error jack please correct me..that he did not include as if he could not document and verify whatever information not like some... it did not make it into the book...so hopefully some day he may return to such and release more for all....it has been so dfficult for some seemingly to get their thoughts around the possibility that the gov would have such a program and yet they do believe in all kinds of other programs that they have been and were.involved in......but then as mentioned it disolves some of their favourite theorys so is simply dismissed out of hand...thanks for your time.all take good care best .b..:vollkommenauf:
Yes, Bernice...John's original manuscript ran more than 2000 pages,
and he realized that was too long to publish. So he went back and
eliminated everything for which he did not have TWO DIFFERENT
SOURCES.
This eliminated some extremely interesting material, some of which
involved the Ziger sisters, Donald O. Norton, etc.
which of course we now wish we had..we are so greedy for information that's really imo how in one way you tell the difference between an LNR and a CTS the LNR lives in the w/c posners and bugs books which are nothing but another go around of the w/c..trash the CTRS cannot get enough especially any new information..a need to know..the truth.....best take care...
I was able to get a copy from Andy at the Last Hurrah for less than $90,
including delivery. A very reasonable price considering the prices posted on other websites.
I have finished reading the book, and it is the most detailed description of Oswald's life that I have ever read, that is contained in one book. This alone makes the book well-worth the read, regardless of what one may think of the author's theory that there were two Oswalds.
The book also has a detailed analysis of Oswald's alleged purchase of the Manlicher Carcano rifle. This analysis of the weapon's journey from Italy, where it was made, to the US is about 70 pages, and this is probably the most material anyone will find on this subject in any book.
The book however begs the question, what happened to both Marguerite and Lee after the assassination? This question needs to be answered before Armstrong's theory can be full integrated into the broader context of the conspiracy to kill John F. Kennedy.
If would certainly be interesting to read the unpublished information he has, and especially any clues he may have regarding what happened to the Oswalds.
Walt only handles the lho book now exclusively and yes there are more copies available, this past year or so on the forums an interest has been seenslowly growing in it..as some try to obtain a copy...and it appears it is slowly being accepted ,yet there have been and were early books on the two oswalds, though they were also relatively ignored mainly..by the main researchers of the time...the book is the golden egg when it comes to the lho studies it is the treasure...and is the result of an amazing trail that john went on to bring it to us that led him around the world .at a cost in the hundred thousand i believe if memory is holding.....there is up to a garage full in size i believe of his further info if in error jack please correct me..that he did not include as if he could not document and verify whatever information not like some... it did not make it into the book...so hopefully some day he may return to such and release more for all....it has been so dfficult for some seemingly to get their thoughts around the possibility that the gov would have such a program and yet they do believe in all kinds of other programs that they have been and were.involved in......but then as mentioned it disolves some of their favourite theorys so is simply dismissed out of hand...thanks for your time.all take good care best .b..:vollkommenauf:
