Is the Assassination of JFK an "unsolved Civil Rights murder case from the 1960s"?

[John Bevilaqua]

I see the assassination of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., to have been the basest of the civil rights violations of the era.

In the brutal murder of our 35th president I see the violent imposition of national security dogma imposed on the constitutionally authorized executive of any legitimate policy.

Reading James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable restores the correct focus, that foreign policy was imposed by criminals when they disapproved of that of the elected executive.

My interest is now enormously piqued by the introduction of Mr. Evica, and he is now firmly in queue of my must-read following Douglass and Horne.

Your forum continues to inspire.

Well then your interest should be equally piqued by the introduction of Col. Wickliffe P. Draper, Robert J. Stoddard, The Bradley brothers from Allen-Bradley Corp. founders of the Right Wing Bradley Foundation and Col. Willard F. Rockwell of Rockwell Intl who are probably the individuals who profited the most and the earliest as a result of the profiteering enjoyed by Rockwell International during the mid 1960's when the Viet Nam War effort was accelerating. Rockwell bought out The Draper Company on the EXACT DATE that Gordon Novel skipped town and moved to Columbus, Ohio when Garrison was on his tail. Novel used the blackmail artifice of the pending takeover of Draper Company by Rockwell to make certain that he would gain safe haven in Ohio with DISC. Wickliffe Draper received almost $100,000,000 in Rockwell Pfd Stock on that date as a reward for his efforts in having JFK killed and Rev. Gerald L K Smith got over $1,000,000 from Draper right after the Winnipeg Airport Incident in Feb of 1964 to start his Christ of the Ozarks Shrine in Arkansas when he only had $5,000 to his name as of December of 1963. My main suspects ALL received large cash rewards for their efforts in the JFK hit and retired to live happily ever after. No one else can say that about their list of usual suspects. No one.


I think that most of James Douglass' observations are merely rehashed patently obvious and basically accurate "rah-rah go get em" statements discovered and documented by many, many others well before Mr. Douglass came onto the scene which unfortunately totally misses the roles of The Eugenicists, The Pioneer Fund, The John Birch Society, The Mississippi White Supremacists, The World Anti Communist League and The Knights of Malta in the entire JFK Conundrum. As well done as the book is, there is exactly ZERO original research included which was done by Mr. Douglass. I am just as certain that if he wrote that book in 5-10 years he would include all of my usual suspects as well. I read the book and did not find one bit of original research or original conclusions elsewhere. It should have been called The Encyclopedia of the JFK Assassination.

To imply that my focus is somehow deficient and his is more accurate is a gross distortion of reality. In fact one of the primary tools of Eugenics and Eugenicists in order to reduce undesirable populations very quickly is the creation of World Wars. Setting one army consisting of mostly undesirable minority populations onto a country populated by other undesirable minority populations kills two birds with one stone, no pun intended. I am just in awe that I even have to explain that concept at this late date. Their other favorite artifice is Genocidal Population Reductions as in the Holocaust. Add to that the Involuntary Sterilization Movement begun by Wickliffe Draper himself and you have the Eugenicists Troika of Death, Destruction and Depopulation.

Their more recent efforts have focused on Rawanda and Zaire where you set one country against the other merely by exacerbating existing hostilities, or in the case of Iraq and Iran by claiming that the search for Weapons of Mass Destruction is your humanitarian primary focus. At that point you can release our own WMD against those populations to assure that we are the only ones with WMD capabilities. And at the same time the Holy Crusades against the infidels and heathens who are non-Christian are also fulfilled. And my guess is that the Eugenicists love of biological warfare and bacteriological warfare has led them to utilize those artifices several times already as well. Even if they did not create AIDS in Africa they probably found the best way to assist its rapid geographical distribution and to prevent its elimination in Africa and elsewhere.

So my argument would be that Mr. Douglass has only begun to trivially scratch the surface in his redundant and repetitive rather rudimentary rehash of the work of many, many other authors who came before him by focusing on a DOMESTIC plot instead of an INTERNATIONAL plot, by focusing on only a CIA dominated plot instead of on an Army Intel Plot, an FBI plot, a DIA or DISC plot or a John Birch Society Plot or on a World Anti-Communist League Plot, or on a Shickshinny Knights of Malta Plot or on a Pioneer Fund Plot or on a White Supremacist Plot and more specifically a Mississippi Sovereignty Commission Plot. He is merely reflecting, echoing and radiating what he thinks others want to hear and he did a great job at that. But to the extent that he failed to cover much of the new material discovered since the mid 1990's when I began in earnest to work on this case, the book is for me at least, a major, major disappointment.

He is at least 15-20 years behind the fast breaking news on all of these topics and he is also stuck in many of the typical LaBrea Tarpits of JFK research. I have always said that Guns and Gore and Dealey Plaza Can Yield No More and for the most part I stand by that statement to this day. And the only archives which have yielded any significant new advances in the last 10 years including several valid new suspects like Elmore Greaves, Ned Touchstone, Guy Banister, George Soule, Edwin A. Walker, Wickliffe Draper, Leander Perez, James O. Eastland and Medford B. Evans are The Archives of The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission. The ARRB only succeeded in uncovering carcasses picked clean by all the buzzards and bastidges which was my main concern going into that exercise. It turned into yet another LaBrea Tarpits trapping many people in its sticky morass and it allowed the real perps and culprits to meet their makers unmolested and unconvicted.

My focus is essentially the same as that of James Douglass but it is much more sophisticated and far more advanced than his reportorial, rehash and regurgitation style which has never appealed to me.

[Charles Drago]

On a simple human level, this is tragic.

[Phil Dragoo]

Charles, thank you for your instructive reply. I shall pursue a copy of George Michael Evica, And We Are All Mortal, 1978, perhaps, as suggested on the Mary Ferrell site, from Last Hurrah Bookshop, Andy Winiarczyk.

The powerful line from JFK's American University address June 10, 1963, a concept unthinkable to Dulles & Co.

I have read some of your writings on the author and his work, and reviews, biographies and obituaries, all inviting further reading.

From Jim DiEugenio in his review of A Certain Arrogance http://www.ctka.net/reviews/certain_arrogance.html in which he writes, "The second reason this demonstration is valuable is it shows once again that if you press on almost any aspect of the Oswald saga, questions, inconsistencies, paradoxes in abundance come to the forefront."

Which parallels the concept Holmes communicates to Watson in The Three Garridebs in The Case Book of Sherlock Holmes (page 122) "Touch him where you would he was false."

I will be looking for the new edition of A Certain Arrogance, at your advice.

Regarding Professor Evica's reference to Dalmatian in re "Dragoo," I am indebted to Pierre and Elizabeth Dragaud who arrived 1699 Staten Island having left the province of Saintonge that same year. They provided a grandson (my great-to-the-sixth) for the Revolutionary War.

[Dawn Meredith]

On a simple human level, this is tragic.

This ego thing just gets worse...Tragic is not the word that springs to my mind. From the above post I sincerely doubt that JB has actually read JFKU.

No"orginal research?" Your opinions are simply that, opinions not grounded in the slightest bit of fact.

Now I shall go back to not reading them. I am not tryng to be insulting but
your put downs are staggering to me. Only you have the answers, eh?

Talk among yourselves.

Dawn

[John Bevilaqua]

On a simple human level, this is tragic.

This ego thing just gets worse...Tragic is not the word that springs to my mind. From the above post I sincerely doubt that JB has actually read JFKU.

No"orginal research?" Your opinions are simply that, opinions not grounded in the slightest bit of fact.

Now I shall go back to not reading them. I am not tryng to be insulting but
your put downs are staggering to me. Only you have the answers, eh?

Talk among yourselves.

Dawn

What is really tragic is that Drago thinks that his primitive arm twisting Gestapo Tactics and McCarthyism Tactics: "Comply With My Theories and Post Only Supportive non-Argumentative Themes or Be Gone" will work on anyone. Methinks he may be more than just a little bit jealous that people like Civil Rights Cold Case specialist Susan Kloepfer, Pulitzer Prize winner Doug Blackmon, Dr. Jerry Rose, Bill Turner, Mary Ferrell, Carl Oglesby and now Hank Albarelli, Jr. find my arguments very compelling, quite original and very convincing and they go out of their way to compliment me and encourage me while they are not the least bit curious about any of his warmed over right wing rhetoric which smacks of typical John Birch style pablum. Both Jerry Rose and Gordon Winslow confirmed all the verifiable details of my personal Miami experiences right down to the identification of my neighbor as one of the leaders of the 30th of November Movement who was discussed by Peter Dale Scott in one of his earliest works on the subject. Except he or his editor spelled the name erroneously. And Winslow did his pitiful best to try to debunk the facts of my childhood experiences but failed miserably. Join the club. And Roy Hargraves confirmed the role of Homer S. Echevarria of the 30th of November Movement in both the Chicago, the Miami and the Dallas JFK plots. And Mary Ferrell once called "Big Daddy" Warbucks and "Little" Orphan Annie, the most fascinating manuscript she has seen in a long, long time. And even James Richards whose first reaction a few years ago was to minimize the roles of Harold B. Chait and Roy Hargraves but he has since turned full circle after he did some more digging. He is now saying that Roy Hargraves flew to Dallas after the failed Miami plot and took part in the Dallas festivities which would account for Hargraves inside knowledge on the subject regarding the perps. And he has indicated that the roles of Ulius Amoss, Harold Chait and Morris Schapiro at Boston Metals looms very large in the money laundering activities of the CIA. I would be interested in hearing about Dragoes references, accolades, and articles published by non-vanity publishers and his extensive recitation of innovative and relevant insights as well.

OK, I will bite. List the truly unique or original research done by James Douglass which has resulted in any brand new suspects or important new research into any unexplored groups or individuals. And perchance Drago would like to do the same for his "research." What do you feel are your original and unique contributions to the list of suspects and their affiliations and motivations and what are your Top Ten contributions which will survive the test of time and survive you as well?

Just curious.

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

And by the way I also feel that both Drago and Evica always were and still are deserving of my extended pity for their basically unrecognized and totally unappreciated efforts and they have received it in droves from me as well.

Even Jim DiEugenio said that something over 100 pages could have been eliminated for lack of relevance and for not advancing any points or any themes. People will little note nor long remember the contributions of most of the armchair researchers on these forums, sorry to say. The state of the art of JFK Research has deteriorated into Group Think due to coercive attempts at the application of Social Opprobrium much worse than any Orwellian nightmare. And when these arguments, lacking any substance, degrade quickly into McCarthyesque or Gestapo styled tactics, then I believe my point has been made.

If your intention was to discourage Hank Albarelli, Jr. from posting here or from supporting any of my research with more positive comments or the with the addition of extensive related details, then you might just have succeeded. I hope he has not been cowed or coerced into not returning.

Unfortunately at Spartacus someone tried to engage him in an endless pissing contest over some picayune irrelevant detail and he politely declined to be baited into such a situation and has temporarily departed that scene perhaps permanently. I hope that does not happen here as well. Perhaps these efforts are intentional and maybe they are just symptomatic of "Defensive Territorial Aggression." In any event, it does more harm than good to the cause of solving ANY of the Civil Rights Cold Cases from the 1960's including the JFK, RFK and MLK cases. Wickliffe Draper, the KKK, the (White) Citizens Councils and Elmore Greaves were involved in ALL of these cases by the way. Every single one of them. And both Robert Emmett Johnson and Roy Hargraves and "Raoul from Montreal" were involved with at least two of them for sure: JFK and MLK. Bank on it.

We are all waiting with bated breath the postings about Gerry Hemming who was anything but a bit player. I don't think anyone could follow or appreciate the points about Hemming which were futilely attempted previously. Please elaborate.

[Ed Jewett]

On a simple human level, this is tragic.

This ego thing just gets worse...Tragic is not the word that springs to my mind. From the above post I sincerely doubt that JB has actually read JFKU.

No"orginal research?" Your opinions are simply that, opinions not grounded in the slightest bit of fact.

Now I shall go back to not reading them. I am not tryng to be insulting but
your put downs are staggering to me. Only you have the answers, eh?

Talk among yourselves.

Dawn

This is consistent with my own reading of Douglass. About ten hours ago, I was in this thread and actually had the "reply" window open for some time trying to formulate an effective answer. I finally refrained, for several reasons:

1) There are people here, and in this thread who've done vastly more work, research, reading, etc. about the event(s) in Dealey Plaza [before, during and after] than I have, and I don't have a problem deferring to them or their opinion (while keeping my rights to myself to make up my own mind).

2) I couldn't get a grasp on what John B. (et al?) are saying, despite having spent some time reading through Google searches and elsewhere. My own sense is that Doiuglass' meticulous research and foot-noting puts to shame the efforts in supporting the theory espoused above. I also couldn't get a grasp because the style in what writing I have seen espousing this theory is slippery, greasy, and has the aura of other "hit pieces" and "debunking" I have read -- including the use of alliteration to the point that I would like to start a fund to buy a replacement "R" for John's keyboard.

I will continue to read Douglass' JFKU. I have watched two or three video interviews with him, read his history, read his book "Resistance and Contemplation", understand something of his viewpoint and the place where he is coming from (deep Catholicism and Christianity, involvement with Catholic Workers, readings of Merton, protest against nuclear war), and I think that the overall "take-away" from JFKU is likely to be the focus on the security state and its incessant drive -- alive today -- for nuclear supremacy to the point of effective "first-strike" capability. It is easy to bash an author when you are not in touch with where the author is coming from, or when one's reading" has been a glossed run-through. In addition, Douglass has explained how he came to do this research -- because he'd been asked to by a colleague and friend -- reluctantly, and with fresh eyes. (This is very similar to the history behind Dr. David Ray Griffin's work, another author coming in with unimpeachable academic and critical thinking credentials and from a theological perspective.)

I am familiar with the eugenics movement and theme and find it abhorrent; it is also an evil beast, alive and well today, interwoven to be sure in that eugenics has informed many of the same evil people in the world (e.g., Kissinger). I do not see the connection suggested in the $100,000,000 pay-off, and any number of effective functional hit teams could have been bought and paid in the 60's at several magnitudes lower. This theory smells like an attempt to throw the dogs off the hunt, and we have seen so many of these attempts on this and other similar deep politics events that it is getting easier to spot the parallels in them as it has become easier to spot the parallels in their execution. It adds confusion, not clarity.

I read JFKU in bits and pieces; it is essentially a bedside process at the moment, but I have discovered new research. I suspect I will add to the list noted 1-10 because the release of records in the late 90's has generated further material. Keep in mind, too, that the process of writing in general and specifically with JFKU takes time, including that of working with multiple publishers toward commitment and in the editing process; this is described, as well, in JFKU.

I think John's focus on being out of date with regard to "news" is consistent with the times and that he confuses "news" with evidence, clear thought and widely-disseminated and repeated disinformation.

[Ed Jewett]

As an addendum, I think one of the things we all have to do and understand in our work is to be sure to separate out

#1) the media-driven cultural milieu, the Wurlitzer-driven mindset that has been created and is alive in the greater population, as a social psychology or cultural background;

#2) the pathology alive and well in that background, be it sociopathy or psychopathology or both, that is present in many places and ways;

[That they overlap is a given. Being a eugenicist and a war-monger or first-strike advocate or a criminal assassin are all examples of some type of pathology.

#3) The evidence, the chain of evidence, and critical thinking;

#4) Meta-analysis.

[Charles Drago]

What is really tragic is that Drago thinks that his primitive arm twisting Gestapo Tactics and McCarthyism Tactics: "Comply With My Theories and Post Only Supportive non-Argumentative Themes or Be Gone" will work on anyone.

I'm done with you, little man.

Not because I and others find your conclusions (as opposed to some of your research, which clearly is of value) to be fatally flawed by any number of pathologies, including your boundless narcissism -- which they are.

Not because your egomania is so advanced that it manifests in ravings worthy of the Little Corporal himself -- and in the process engenders laughter, revulsion, and pity in near-equal quantities -- which it is.

Not because my skin is so thin that it can be penetrated by your dull, predictable barbs -- which it surely isn't.

Rather, it's because you are a liar, as I demonstrated in my lengthy response to your post above in which you lied about an honored researcher's work and methods and otherwise mischaracterized -- knowingly -- his opinions of you and all you churn out. I write of the same honored researcher you once lionized when you thought you could convince anyone that he valued your mind and labors, and who now you choose to vilify because I've told the world just what he really thought of you.

Case in point:

And by the way I also feel that both Drago and Evica always were and still are deserving of my extended pity for their basically unrecognized and totally unappreciated efforts and they have received it in droves from me as well.

I will not attempt to hang an air freshener in the fetid corner in which you live and work by responding to your loaded questions. This isn't about my product or, in the final analysis, George Michael Evica's oeuvre.

Rather, my focus in these exchanges always has been on your work -- in particular the absurd, illogical, sometimes even frighteningly addled conclusions you draw that serve to all but invalidate the little true research you offer.

But it gets even better.

If your intention was to discourage Hank Albarelli, Jr. from posting here or from supporting any of my research with more positive comments or the with the addition of extensive related details, then you might just have succeeded. I hope he has not been cowed or coerced into not returning.

You poor, deranged cretin. It was I, as a co-founder of the Deep Politics Forum, who invited Mr. Albarelli to join this forum. It was I who started three separate threads for discussion of his work. And it is I who, along with many others, will continue to encourage him to post freely and often -- regardless of the degree to which I and other co-founders agree with his conclusions.

It is you who are attempting to manipulate him -- to force him to choose between your pathologies and this forum's opportunities to share and glean knowledge and pursue truth and justice.

I ask no one to make such a choice.

With each post you do the work of the enemy. You are exposed.

There can be no doubt but that your mental health has been altered. The only remaining question: Was the job done by committee?

Good luck in therapy.

[Myra Bronstein]

I'm done with you, little man.
...
Rather, it's because you are a liar,
...
You poor, deranged cretin.
...

John Bevilaqua,

I apologize for the rhetoric directed at you in this thread.

DPF staff members are expected to observe the same rules as members. Name calling and verbal abuse is not acceptable. As I said recently in another thread, such abuse is inconsistent with our principles at DPF.

At least I hope it is...

[Charles Drago]

This apology is not offered in my name.

I apologize for nothing!

And I commend you, Myra, for spreading 'em for the "man" who charged me -- your partner and alleged friend -- with using "Gestapo Tactics and McCarthyism Tactics."

You are all about fairness, aren't you?