Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead

[Helen Reyes]

YT sent me an FLV with a weird encoding. I ripped it using one of the web services for that and it was fine, played fine, was half the size. I'm a little overcautious with flash updates but have a new enough version.

The shots sound like they're chambered, and it sounds like a larger calibre pistol to me. Rounds tossed in a fire sound more pingy usually. Could be sidearms on burning human bodies, but it coincides with the muffled shouts in Russian in the background a little too well for my taste.

[Ed Jewett]

I saw the same video but did not have time to post it. I thought at first it might be normal plane crash explosions but I have to agree with Helen's analysis, at least in the absence of other severely-countervailing info. And there's no way I speak Polish, so the translation of those voices is critical.

I'm just a spectator, being quite distant from any accuracy of intuition about politics, players, etc. Shots fired after a plane crash is normal procedure in rescue operations in certain countries, right?

Frankly, it looks like open season has been declared internationally and the globe is a free-fire zone. It'll be ramping up...

Perhaps we ought to set up a 24-hour watch system for breaking news. Maybe we already have in informally with enough DPF'ers ...

Should we have one of those little sticky-pin maps that shows where everyone is at, or the system that shows where visitors arrive from?

Or at least a list of functionally good (quick, accurate, widely-sourced) wire services on the 'net...

[Magda Hassan]

I'd like to know more about the video and the person who posted it. It may well be just a father and son who just happened to be walking in the woods nearby who just happened to have their video camera with them that day and who just happened to stumble across the plane crash site. But it may be something else entirely.

As for the 'gun fire' I'm not convinced either. It all sounds different to me. Certainly not all from the same source or direction what ever it is.

Ed, it is Russian they are speaking and it is just sort of WTF? Let's get outtahere.

[Ed Jewett]

Ed, it is Russian they are speaking ....

I told you I was a distant spectator. [size=12]Geesh, I'm still working on my French.

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[Jan Klimkowski]

According to the clip below, from Faux News, Russian investigators now state that the plane did not make several attempts to land.

The new official version is that it only made one attempt, hit some trees, and then crashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2BW47GSjHk

So, numerous elements of the original official or semi-official scenario are now shown to be false:

i) Kaczynski pressured the pilot to land. Now the official version states there's no evidence of such pressure from the black box audio recordings;

ii) the pilot didn't speak good Russian and therefore couldn't communicate properly with Russian air traffic controllers. Not true - the pilot was fluent in Russian;

iii) the plane made multiple attempts to land. Now, it appears, also not true. Indeed, presumably the black box - if genuine - would show the movements of the plane, including any circling of the runway, with precision.

:joyman:

[Paul Rigby]

The obvious question follows, and forgive my near-perfect ignorance of (contemporary) Polish politics in asking it: Was anything planned by the deceased Kaczynski and cohorts, especially for the near future, that might have prompted the kind of swift and deadly mass clear-out we witnessed over the Mull? Anything in the Polish press - or elsewhere - to this effect?

I have in mind something like Kaczynksi's visit to Georgia in support of the assault on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, only more serious.

Aangirfan...

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/04/sa...plane.html

who referenced this blogger...

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.co...-from.html

But, then I came across this today: Poland’s patriots gone in an instant

"The decision was made by President Kaczynski and his cabinet to begin the process of devaluing their currency and exiting the E.U. in order to stabilize and save Poland’s economy, when this terrible crash occurred."

...who cited this in turn:

http://www.andalusiastarnews.com/news/20...e-instant/

[Jan Klimkowski]

See here the economic logic and rationale for Poland's devaluation of the zloty and why it is so threatening to global capital:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...php?t=3602

[Phil Dragoo]

The links above are dire in their implications.

Poland was decapitated.

Iceland's volcano could only be a consequence in the zeitgeist of Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory.



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[Danny Jarman]

Just had a quick browse through this thread and can't quite believe what i'm reading. Really disturbing.

[Helen Reyes]

The links above are dire in their implications.

Poland was decapitated.

Iceland's volcano could only be a consequence in the zeitgeist of Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory.



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Not to quibble, but if memory serves it went down like this:

1. Julian Assange was tailed to Norway;
1.5 solar coronal mass ejection of unknown intesity struck earth despite lack of expected solar magnetic storm normally considered the cause of CMEs;
2. Volcano began as a lamp in a cave without seismic portent;
3. Julian Assange discovered his volunteer was arrested and he was tailed to Norway, and mentioned it on twitter.com/wikileaks;
4. Volcanic ash caused Iceland to close airspace temporarily;
5. The Grand Duke of Poland and vassals eliminated;
6. Mysterious green fireball filmed over Wisconsin; MUFON reports UFOs inside the Iceland eruption, provides timestamps for frames of a webcam archive available on internet when anomalous squares and triangles appear;
7. London Met provided computer modeling used for the European Commission to recommend member states close national airspace, despite a complete lack of actual ash in the air, except in the extreme NW corner of Scotland.

Possibly related: Norway spiral coincides with awarding of Nobel War-is-Peace Prize to the CIA agent in the White House while black pyramid appears over Moscow; solar minimum finally ends, but it's a dud: no real sunspots, but some great northern lights displays from September to present, some appearing as bright green spirals in time lapse.