Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat

[Peter Lemkin]

Instead of the single-bullet theory, we are presented with the totally impossible single-lock-oneself-in-the-bag theory. What this 'investigation' [sic] continues to show is that intelligence agencies lie ALL the time - almost never are forthcoming nor tell the truth even when their own are murdered - and can not and should not be trusted with what they say, nor our Nations' security and 'intelligence'. They were all [the intelligence agencies] started by and continuously run by and for the Oligarchy - and serve no one but them - and only the upper command structure of them, at that. They are anachronistic entities totally devoid of morality, humanity, legality, legitimacy, or usefulness in the World of today. And end to all of them...and the heads of them all to prison.....where they belong.

[Jan Klimkowski]

How can the Sunday Telegraph discover this and not the Met or the Imtelligence services? Or that they did not want public?

Magda - I don't read this as a genuine Sunday Telegraph investigation. It has the feel of a "confidential briefing" given directly to the reporter, possibly from police sources.

Note for instance:

MI6 is now fully co-operating with the police inquiry after criticism of its failure to do so initially;

(snip)

A fresh police investigation was ordered in the wake of the inquest, leading to the new leads. Detectives have not ruled out the possibility that the spy was murdered.
Crucially, they have secured the full co-operation of MI6. Earlier this year Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe ordered a "voluntary" mass DNA screening of MI6 officers to try to identify genetic material found on the bag in which Mr William's body was found.
Sir Bernard said he was angered by an "unacceptable" breakdown in communication which saw evidence withheld from his senior investigating officers. When asked what powers he had to ensure MI6 co-operated, he said: "It's the law."
According to a source with detailed knowledge of the inquiry, one of the first things that the detectives learned from this new "openness" on the part of the intelligence agencies is that far from being a back room technician, Mr Williams was "directly involved with two MI6 assets in the field".

This sounds like an "unattributable briefing" from Scotland Yard.

I also note the renewed attempt to rule out the "mystery Mediterranean couple":

The mystery couple seen near his flat, who were the subject of the police investigation for months, far from being an assassination squad, were, in fact, trying to find a pizza party in a neighbouring property.

There is information in this thread which strongly suggests that the "mystery Mediterranean couple" should remain objects of interest.

I'm still intrigued by the Boxing Day briefing that Gareth Williams "probably locked himself into the sports bag where his naked body was found and was not the victim of a hit by the security services, Scotland Yard has found after conducting a review of the case."

Which was then refuted, almost immediately, by a "Scotland Yard spokesperson" declaring the investiagation was active and officers retained an "open mind":

Responding to a report in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday that detectives believe he probably did lock himself into the North Face holdall, a Metropolitan police spokesman said the review was ongoing.

"This remains an active investigation and officers continue to explore a number of lines of inquiry. Officers retain an open mind in relation to the circumstances surrounding the death of Mr Williams."

Here's a more mundane interpretation. "Plebgate".

Despite having been knighted in the New Year Honours List, Met Police top cop (Sir) Bernard Hogan-Howe is being attacked by several prominent Tories, ranging from former Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell right up to PM David Cameron over "Plebgate". When, a couple of weeks ago, the government released the Plebgate Downing Street CCTV to Channel 4, Hogan-Howe reacted by committing 30 police officers to investigate the incident, even though two detectives would have been overkill and there were far better potential uses of those rozzers over the Xmas period.

So, we had a press briefing suggesting that police had concluded their investigation and which cleared the national security state of any foul play. Scotland Yard then refuted this, and stated the investigation is still active.

Methinks Sir Bernie is playing the leverage game, and ensuring he can put pressure on the government if they come after him over "Plebgate".

Truth and Justice are irrelevant in these machiavellian games. Once again, Gareth Williams is a mere flotsam and jetsam...

[Magda Hassan]

How can the Sunday Telegraph discover this and not the Met or the Imtelligence services? Or that they did not want public?

Magda - I don't read this as a genuine Sunday Telegraph investigation. It has the feel of a "confidential briefing" given directly to the reporter, possibly from police sources.

Note for instance:

MI6 is now fully co-operating with the police inquiry after criticism of its failure to do so initially;

(snip)

A fresh police investigation was ordered in the wake of the inquest, leading to the new leads. Detectives have not ruled out the possibility that the spy was murdered.
Crucially, they have secured the full co-operation of MI6. Earlier this year Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe ordered a "voluntary" mass DNA screening of MI6 officers to try to identify genetic material found on the bag in which Mr William's body was found.
Sir Bernard said he was angered by an "unacceptable" breakdown in communication which saw evidence withheld from his senior investigating officers. When asked what powers he had to ensure MI6 co-operated, he said: "It's the law."
According to a source with detailed knowledge of the inquiry, one of the first things that the detectives learned from this new "openness" on the part of the intelligence agencies is that far from being a back room technician, Mr Williams was "directly involved with two MI6 assets in the field".

This sounds like an "unattributable briefing" from Scotland Yard.

I also note the renewed attempt to rule out the "mystery Mediterranean couple":

The mystery couple seen near his flat, who were the subject of the police investigation for months, far from being an assassination squad, were, in fact, trying to find a pizza party in a neighbouring property.

There is information in this thread which strongly suggests that the "mystery Mediterranean couple" should remain objects of interest.

I'm still intrigued by the Boxing Day briefing that Gareth Williams "probably locked himself into the sports bag where his naked body was found and was not the victim of a hit by the security services, Scotland Yard has found after conducting a review of the case."

Which was then refuted, almost immediately, by a "Scotland Yard spokesperson" declaring the investiagation was active and officers retained an "open mind":

Responding to a report in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday that detectives believe he probably did lock himself into the North Face holdall, a Metropolitan police spokesman said the review was ongoing.

"This remains an active investigation and officers continue to explore a number of lines of inquiry. Officers retain an open mind in relation to the circumstances surrounding the death of Mr Williams."

Here's a more mundane interpretation. "Plebgate".

Despite having been knighted in the New Year Honours List, Met Police top cop (Sir) Bernard Hogan-Howe is being attacked by several prominent Tories, ranging from former Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell right up to PM David Cameron over "Plebgate". When, a couple of weeks ago, the government released the Plebgate Downing Street CCTV to Channel 4, Hogan-Howe reacted by committing 30 police officers to investigate the incident, even though two detectives would have been overkill and there were far better potential uses of those rozzers over the Xmas period.

So, we had a press briefing suggesting that police had concluded their investigation and which cleared the national security state of any foul play. Scotland Yard then refuted this, and stated the investigation is still active.

Methinks Sir Bernie is playing the leverage game, and ensuring he can put pressure on the government if they come after him over "Plebgate".

Truth and Justice are irrelevant in these machiavellian games. Once again, Gareth Williams is a mere flotsam and jetsam...

Thanks Jan, there is clearly a lot of argy bargy going on back stage betweeen the police and the government and intel services. A lot is at stake and poor old Gareth doesn't come much in to it as you point out. I thought of the 'mystery Mediterranean couple' when I saw the Kazakh connection too. Maybe Furkat was there for Cultural Learnings of United Kingdom for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan. Maybe for less culture and more business. Still an area which needs clarification. As is the role of the national security state who just seem so busy trying to move people along nothing to see here folks. Which makes me want to look again and again.

[Peter Lemkin]

Kazakhstan is not usually a big player in such things. Whatever the relationship of GW with the Kazakh Mogol's son [if it even existed] is likely not directly connected to his death, IMO. It may play into what general work he was doing that got him 'bagged', but the Kazakh intelligence services certainly don't have this kind of ability, and any Kazakh agent [if he was one] would have been watched like a hawk. To me its another false lead thrown into the mix, such as the cross-dressing was. What does seem real is some split in the backrooms.....likely a better trail to follow to find out the truth of GW's murder. This garbage that MI5/6 don't know who the 'Mediterranean couple' was is about as believable as their waiting nearly a week to wonder why one of their top cryptographers/spy didn't show up for work. There is fighting under the sheets, yes, but we are not seeing the real reasons why. Why is a state secret. Much to most we are being 'told' is a lie - such as he locked himself into the Sport Bag as an auto-erotic exercise after death. A man was murdered and the 'officials' don't want to say why - even how. It seems some few are upset at the lies being told; but either don't know the true facts or dare not speak about them to the Public and Press. Most who know are just waiting for everyone to loose interest in the story and for this to 'go away'. There are other wet jobs to be done. Most never reach the news at all. When they do, they go through the motions of a fake 'investigation' to throw the Public a 'bone'. Kelly, 7/7, Diana, GW - the list is VERY long...sadly.

More bullshit to consider in the Daily Mail: "There is no suggestion Mr Ibragimov - whose father Alijan is one of the world's 400 richest people - played a part in the death. But it's not known whether detectives have yet spoken to father or son.
Alijan Ibragimov is known in Kazakhstan as part of the Trio', along with business partners Alexander Mashkevich and Patokh Chodiev, who are behind an empire of oil, gas, mining and banking.
His London-based son Furkat Ibragimov, who invests in oil, had a mutual friend with Mr Williams of Missa Elizabeth Guthrie, daughter of a US tycoon. She befriended the spy in the year before he died.
Miss Guthrie had shared a flat with Mr Williams's school friend Sian Lloyd-Jones, a fashion stylist.
Secret court papers revealed that Furkat Ibragimov and Miss Guthrie were friends and business partners - and that she allegedly asked Mr Williams if he could make a fake degree certificate." [So, he was killed for forgery? Who writes this stuff?]

[Peter Lemkin]

Just noting that this case has gone 'cold'....as it was put in the deep freezer. Will it ever thaw?

[Jan Klimkowski]

Just noting that this case has gone 'cold'....as it was put in the deep freezer. Will it ever thaw?

It crawled into a bag, zipped and padlocked it from inside, performed tantric masturbation whilst choking on a tangerine, and was then buried at sea.

For reasons of National Security.

:loo:

[Magda Hassan]

A bit old but I don't think I have posted this before. Interesting not for the sex angle but the hacker world and geeky angle.

GCHQ's spy death riddle shines light on UK hacker war

Was Gareth Williams spotted at Blackhat or Defcon?

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British intelligence agent Dr Gareth Williams' last mission before he was "unlawfully killed" was to infiltrate and report on US hacker meetings, evidence given at his inquest this week has indicated.
Williams appears to have been one of a team of intelligence officers and agents sent to penetrate hacking networks in the US and the UK.

At first sight he appears to be more Austin Powers than James Bond, but Williams is the first spy geek to be publicly unmasked, in sadly sensational circumstances.

His naked and decomposing body was found in the foetal position inside a sports holdall in the bath of his central London flat on 23 August 2010, one week after he had failed to turn up for work at SIS - aka MI6 - headquarters in Vauxhall Cross, London.
Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox said yesterday that she was satisfied that a third party had placed the bag with his body into the bath and had also, "on a balance of probability", padlocked it shut.
According to pathologists and escapologists who testified during her enquiry, the padlock on the almost airtight enclosure sealed his fate, stupefying and then killing him within minutes from CO2 poisoning.
His death was "was unnatural and criminally mediated", she said. It was not suicide.

Who shut the lock on the holdall is a question that the coroner said could not be resolved with the evidence available. "Most of the fundamental questions in relation to how Gareth died remain unanswered," she said.
The compelling answer is a sex date a week before somebody he had invited in to play bondage games and who may have panicked and fled when Williams lost consciousness, or sadistically locked the bag and left him to suffer.
Whoever he or she was, they did not leave enough DNA or forensic traces for detectives to have made progress to date. But the police forensic examination team, who checked through Williams' Mac laptop and iPhone collection, seem to have been blithely unaware of how many digital traces they may have missed or how much more may still be out there.
Williams' last espionage targets were participants in the Black Hat and Defcon 18 hacker and security conferences held in Las Vegas in July 2010. His SIS manager told the enquiry that Williams was one of a "group" of agents tasked to attend the conferences.
The inquest was told about the unique Defcon 18 badge that had been found in his flat. The gimmick features a reflective display and an embedded digital signal controller that geeks were invited to manipulate.
Previously, as an operational officer, Williams had met two SIS agents working in the field in Britain, although not as their case officer or handler. Had he had not become cheesed off with SIS, the inquest was told, he would have been assigned abroad as a British secret agent. A few months before his death, he asked to go back to GCHQ.
Williams' working life, after graduating with a first in mathematics in 1996 aged 17, was spent in Cheltenham at GCHQ, Britain's signals intelligence agency. He joined in 2001 after completing a PhD in computer science at Manchester University. His final role in GCHQ had been designing "practical applications for emerging technologies".
In 2007, he applied to become a secret agent by transferring to SIS, the UK's human intelligence agency responsible for spies and spy recruitment. He was put through a series of aptitude and skill tests. He failed. He also attended Black Hat 16 the same year, according to an SIS witness, presumably also then staying on to attend Defcon.
In 2008, he tried again to join SIS, and this time passed the tests. He started in spring 2009 after moving to London, and took part in five SIS training courses before embarking on "active operational work" within UK.
To spy on geeks, you need to hire a serious and thoroughly convincing geek.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/03/...s_inquest/

[David Guyatt]

The Plod have reached their decision. Again.

Gareth Williams climbed into the sports bag himself. No foul play.

Their conclusion is apparently based on the scientific model, that if one keeps their eyes firmly closed when observing, they'll nt be contaminated by the evidence - and rather stupid conclusions can, therefore, be accomodated.

Police set to rule out foul play in 'spy in a bag' mystery

Scotland Yard expected to conclude MI6 spy Gareth Williams likely to have climbed in to holdall himself

MI6 spy Gareth Williams's body was found in a similar North Face bag









By Tom Whitehead, Security Editor

10:00PM GMT 12 Nov 2013


The MI6 spy found dead in a bag three years ago most likely locked himself in the holdall, police are expected to announce on Wednesday.

A fresh Scotland Yard review of the so-called "spy in a bag" case has concluded Gareth Williams was able to climb in to a sports bag unaided and there is little evidence of foul play, the Telegraph understands.



The findings will contradict the conclusions of a coroner who last year said he had "probably" died at the hands of another.

It also raises the prospect of police closing or scaling back the investigation and ending the mystery that has fuelled countless conspiracy theories.

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The naked, decomposing body of Mr Williams, a codebreaker on secondment to MI6 from GCHQ, the signals intelligence agency, was found in a padlocked holdall in the bath of his flat in Pimlico, London, in August 2010.
Despite an intensive police investigation, no one has been arrested and the circumstances surrounding his death have remained a mystery.
Following an eight-day inquest last year, coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox concluded that Mr Williams was probably "unlawfully killed" in a criminal act after experts found it impossible to climb in to a bag by themselves.
She said his death most likely involved a third party and he was either poisoned or suffocated.
She also said the possibility that a member of the intelligence services was involved in the maths prodigy's death remained a "legitimate line of inquiry" for police.
The Metropolitan Police announced an urgent review of the case in the wake of the inquest findings, including concerns over how some evidence was handled by MI6 and counter terrorism officers during a two year investigation in to the death.
But it is understood that has now concluded that it was possible for Mr Williams, who the inquest heard had an interest in escapology, to get in to the bag by himself and that was the most likely scenario.
A senior Whitehall source said: "It seems as though the coroner made a mistake in ruling out evidence that Williams could not have climbed into the holdall without outside help.
"If it can be demonstrated that Williams was able to climb into the holdall unassisted, then all the other fanciful conspiracy theories start to fall apart."
On behalf of the coroner, two experts tried 400 times to lock themselves into the bag, and one claimed that even Harry Houdini "would have struggled" to squeeze himself inside.
But days after the inquest, a retired Army sergeant showed how it was possible to climb into a similar North Face bag and lock it from the inside.
The renewed investigation saw officers reinterview MI6 officers and take their DNA samples.
However, the Telegraph disclosed last year how detectives increasingly believed Mr Williams probably locked himself inside and died as a result of a tragic accident.
Detectives were able to repeat the experiment with some slight differences to the way the bag is locked, which fits with how Williams was found.
One source close to the inquiry said at the time: "They have been unable to find any trace of anyone who should not have been in the flat and have every reason to believe that Gareth may have climbed into the bag himself and had been unable to get out."

[Peter Lemkin]

Did they hire Arlen Spector to write this scenario? :: Or does the UK have other such equally unethical and quick-witted souls :htf::to write this crap. It is as impossible as the single bullshit theory. The intelligence agencies are hired not only to kill and overthrow governments, spy on everyone; but also to create doublethink lies, and then foist them on the Public. The 'history' found in textbooks is mainly a collection of these lies; and the MSM is owned and controlled by those who order them to 'go with this' junk. Very sad. We won't get to 'heaven' nor to the survival of the species with these kinds of constant official lies and cover-up. ::prison::

[Magda Hassan]

Gareth Williams climbed into the sports bag himself.

Of course. As one does.

No foul play.

Yep. No sign of a chicken anywhere. Perfectly normal.

Their conclusion is apparently based on the scientific model, that if one keeps their eyes firmly closed when observing, they'll not be contaminated by the evidence - and rather stupid conclusions can, therefore, be accomodated.

Yep. That will work.

The MI6 spy found dead in a bag three years ago most likely locked himself in the holdall, police are expected to announce on Wednesday.

As long as they don't expect us to believe it.

A fresh Scotland Yard review ....

Because the other one came to an unwelcome conclusion.

The findings will contradict the conclusions of a coroner who last year said he had "probably" died at the hands of another.

Silly woman. How did she possibly think that?

It also raises the prospect of police closing or scaling back the investigation and ending the mystery that has fuelled countless conspiracy theories.

Yes I'm quite sure it will end all those silly conspiracy theories.

But it is understood that has now concluded that it was possible for Mr Williams, who the inquest heard had an interest in escapology, to get into the bag by himself and that was the most likely scenario.

And if he had an interest in ikebana he would have had a bunch of flowers shoved up his bottom too.

A senior Whitehall source said: "It seems as though the coroner made a mistake in ruling out evidence that Williams could not have climbed into the holdall without outside help.
"If it can be demonstrated that Williams was able to climb into the holdall unassisted, then all the other fanciful conspiracy theories start to fall apart."

Whitehall? Well, I see who wanted the new inquiry with the right conclusion now.

Even suspending reality and any mental faculties for a few seconds and accepting their scenario it is strange that a grown man with a very high IQ would do such a risky maneuver without some one present to step in if things went wrong. As it did. As one wouldn't do willingly or knowingly. But this is accepted without question?

But days after the inquest, a retired Army sergeant showed how it was possible to climb into a similar North Face bag and lock it from the inside.

They didn't seem to have that course that trained one to be an expert about climbing into bags and zipping them up from the inside when I was in the military.

Detectives were able to repeat the experiment with some slight differences ....

Yeah, like totally different differences.