"Dr. Mary's Monkey"

[Albert Doyle]

I'd have to disagree and say Baker would be a perfect black op researcher exactly because of her unbelievability. In other words she's 'plausibly deniable'. Oschner could run the brainwork and directing side of things. In my opinion Baker is too deep in to it from what she knows, like the Clinton visit, to be making it up.

[Magda Hassan]

Jan,
A little detour before I get back to the mainstream. I thought you might find this book of interest, regarding the early British & US/German relationship of 1934. Title: CONJURING HITLER by
Guido Giacomo Preparata.

Adele

Yes! A very good read. History as they don't teach in school.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Adele -thank you for your comments and insights.

Thank you for your courageous testimony.

I regard Harlow as key to understanding the MO, the mentality, of these arrogant men.

In a binary moment, the bard Pynchon wrote:

Manicheans who see two rockets . . . a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World's suicide, the two perpetually in struggle... The rocket has to be many things . . . it must survive heresies, and heretics there will be: Gnostics who have been taken in a rush of wind and fire to chambers of the rocket throne.

Did these luminaries research schizophrenia to "cure" the condition?

Or to learn how to create a schizophrenic?

Adele - please take a look at the thread here.

Orne.

West.

Singer.

Assorted paedophiles.

Claiming scientific and intellectual superiority. Primacy.

Cameron's "psychic driving" brutally wiped the brain to create a tabula rasa to enable the implantation of a new psyche, that of the "model citizen".

A perfect mind for the world's salvation, a patsy brain for the world's subjugation....

[Adele Edisen]

Adele -thank you for your comments and insights.

Thank you for your courageous testimony.

I regard Harlow as key to understanding the MO, the mentality, of these arrogant men.

In a binary moment, the bard Pynchon wrote:

Manicheans who see two rockets . . . a good rocket to take us to the stars, an evil rocket for the World's suicide, the two perpetually in struggle... The rocket has to be many things . . . it must survive heresies, and heretics there will be: Gnostics who have been taken in a rush of wind and fire to chambers of the rocket throne.

Did these luminaries research schizophrenia to "cure" the condition?

Or to learn how to create a schizophrenic?

Adele - please take a look at the thread here.

Orne.

West.

Singer.

Assorted paedophiles.

Claiming scientific and intellectual superiority. Primacy.

Cameron's "psychic driving" brutally wiped the brain to create a tabula rasa to enable the implantation of a new psyche, that of the "model citizen".

A perfect mind for the world's salvation, a patsy brain for the world's subjugation....

Jan,

Thank you!

I just finished reading the 4 pages of thread you had recommended. Fantastic, horrifying stuff that sent shivers down my spine.

Although I left that Department in the late 1950s, I did get some information about the people there later. Dr. Irv Marcus had gone in to private practice; Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

Did you ever read THE TERMINAL MAN by Michael Crichton? It's based on a true story of a man with electrodes in his head. That piece of work was done by Frank Erwin, formerly of the Tulane Department of Psychiatry and Neurology.

I noticed Dr. Colin Ross' name in one of the postings. He's here in Texas with a clinic of his own. A brief talk by Dr. Ross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9W7qsWtlM

You, and others, certainly have done a lot of work on these subjects. Thank you.

Adele

[Peter Lemkin]

Adele Edisen wrote:

Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

[Adele Edisen]

Adele Edisen wrote:

Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

Peter,

And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

[Peter Lemkin]

Adele Edisen wrote:

Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

WOW! Adele! This needs further looking into....took me by surprise and then it is just more of the 'same old, same old...'!

I've long asked myself why it is that many of the players in the JFK Assassination also had dabbled in mind-control work or related. Then there is the interesting fact that JFK had dabbled with LSD with Mary Meyer and 'they' knew this [likely via her husband -then estranged - who was spying on her activities with JFK]....very strange! Mary Meyer was murdered [I'm quite sure by the same cabal that did in JFK] to silence her from speaking - and the info on the LSD, for some reason, also needed to be hidden.

Peter,

And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

Yes, Shaw/Bertrand was CIA and involved in Permindex and some other groupings. He must have known Rivera and vice versa. He was certainly involved in sheep-dipping Oswald and likely in some ways with those who helped plan the operation and/or the setting up of patsies. His death was suspicious. Garrison was really on track....generally.....but due to massive CIA infiltration of his investigation was derailed and shunted onto side tracks.....so he missed the main one in the confusion. Sad, isn't it, that there has never been a real investigation nor court case since Garrison. Even his was controlled [unbeknown to him]. The other 'investigations' were either total or partial cover-ups and controlled by the very same groupings that killed or covered-up the assassination. Very sad history. Again, the cross-over of mind-control, drug and biological agent testing with the assassination [to me] needs some clearer explanation....although it could be simply chance [it could have been arms people or drug-dealing people or Fed people, but it seems to have been - or had been made to SEEM like it was this grouping. Wheels within wheels within wheels, within......ad infinitum.

[Jan Klimkowski]

And one thing that Col. Jose Rivera said to me when talking about "it" happenong ("it" referring to the impending JFK assassination) was that "the Director of the International Trade Mart is involved in this." At the time I did not know who that would have been, but in retrospect it only could have been Clay Shaw.

Clay Shaw had some very interesting names in his address book. and was involved in an international organization, Permindex. He worked for the CIA, and his death also was mysterious.

Adele

Rivera is certainly provocative.

There's a DPF thread on Permindex here.

[Adele Edisen]

Peter, Jan, and Everyone,

Thank you all for your informatiion and references. The material on Clay Shaw, Permindex, Centro Mondiale, industrial and oil corporations, banks, Wall Street, CIA and other government agencies, may all be somehow linked to the JFK assassination, along with the others in 1960s and even in 1999 (JFK, Jr.). It's a matter of pulling the tangled web apart and following proper leads.

Adele

[Jan Klimkowski]

[Although I left that Department in the late 1950s, I did get some information about the people there later. Dr. Irv Marcus had gone in to private practice; Dr. Harold Lief and his wife divorced and, get this- he moved into bachelor quarters with Clay Shaw in the French Quarter!

Lief was part of the MK-ULTRA nexus, having done work with Orne and being yet another US military shrink.

He was also part of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) coverup of crime. See DPF thread here.

My emphasis in bold in piece below, which is party written by Alex Constantine:

Freyd, Pamela- Founding executive director Wife of Peter Freyd. Stood by her husband's conclusions that her daughter, Jennifer, was imagining her childhood sexual abuse. Remained head of the FMSF after her husband resigned over the controversy.

Freyd, Peter- Founding executive director Accused of childhood sexual abuse by his daughter Jennifer, who is a professor of psychology at the University of Oregon.

Jennifer:"My family of origin was troubled inmany observable ways... I refer to the things that were never 'forgotten' and 'recovered',but to things that we all knew about... During my childhood, my father sometimesdiscussed his own experiences of being sexually abused as an 11 year-old boy, and called himself a 'kept boy'" Peter Freyd graduated to male prostitution as an adolescent.At the age of 13, Jennifer Freyd composed a poem about her father's nocturnal visits.Part of it read:"I am caught in a web. A web of deep, deep terror." The diaries of her youth chronicle the reactions and feelings (guilt, shame and terror) of a troubled girl andyoung woman."My parents oscillated between denying these symptoms and feelings…tousing knowledge of these same symptoms and feelings to discredit me... My father told various people that I was brain damaged."

Pamela Freyd turned to her own psychiatrist, Dr Harold Lief, another advisory boardmember of the FMS Foundation, to diagnose Jennifer."He explained to me that he did not believe I was abused," Jennifer recalls. Dr Lief's diagnosis was based on his belief that Peter Freyd's fantasies were strictly "homoerotic". Of course, his daughter furrows a brow at the assumption that homoerotic fantasies or a heterosexual marriage exclude the possibility of child molestation."At times I am flabbergasted that my memory is considered 'false'" , Jennifer says,"and my alcoholic father's memory is considered rational and sane... I was at home a fewhours after my second session with my therapist, a licensed clinical psychologist working within an established group in a large and respected medical clinic. "During that second visit to my therapist's office, I expressed great anxiety about the upcoming holiday visit with my parents. My therapist asked about half way into the session, whether I had ever been sexually abused. I was immediately thrown into a strange state. No one had ever asked me such a question. I responded, 'no, but….' I went home and within a few hours I was shaking uncontrollably, overwhelmed with intense and terrible flashbacks."

Jennifer asks herself why her parents are believed."In the end, is it precisely because I wasabused that I am to be discredited despite my personal and professional success?" Supposedly, in an electronic message from her father, he openly acknowledged that in hisversion of the story "fictional elements were deliberately inserted"."Fictional is rather an astounding choice of words," Jennifer observed at the Ann Arbor Conference.

Thearticle written by her parents contends that Jennifer was denied tenure at another university due to a lack of published research."In fact," Jennifer counters,"I moved tothe University of Oregon in 1987, just four years after receiving my Ph.D. to accept atenured position as associate professor in the psychology department, one of the world'sbest psychology departments…My mother sent the Jane Doe article to my colleaguesduring my promotion year that is, the year my case for promotion to full professor wasbeing considered. I was absolutely mortified to learn of this violation of my privacy and this violation of the truth." (from Alex Constantine)

Lief, Dr. Harold- Scientific Advisory Board


Lief was the personal psychiatrist to the Freyd family who told Jennifer he didn't believeshe was sexually abused from a young age by her father. Former major in the Armymedical corps. Close colleague of the co-FMSF board member Dr. Martin Orne (theMKULTRA-connected scientist with many connections to different intelligence agenciesand mind control research) and consulted with him on several studies in hypnotic programming and behavioral modification experiments at the University of Pennsylvania. Past president of the Sex Information and Education Council and director of the Centrefor Sexuality and Religion. His academic writing reveals an interesting range of professional interests, including a study entitled 'Orgasm in the PostoperativeTranssexual.'

Dr Colin Ross: "Who is this guy Robert Heath? Well, we are going to see him in a future slide too. My secretary has actually interviewed him, and I might go down and interview him myself at Tulane in New Orleans. He did brain electro implant research for the CIA and he would put brain electrodes in human brains for non-therapeutic purposes, and he would pour in psyllicibin(sp), mescaline, LSD, and other chemicals to see what would go tingle-tingle in the electrodes. And I will tell you more about that. He's funded by the CIA and the military. In one of his papers, he thanks Harold Lief for referring in one of his brain electrode implant research subjects."

In the visible world of "scientific" research, as opposed the Dark Side stuff, Lief was one of the world's leading experts on "Inhibited Sexual Desire", and the cure of "sexual dysfunction".

So, Lief has a world class background in hypnotic programming, sexual desire, behaviour modification and memory modification.

Lief is moving in the circles of Clay Shaw, which presumably means David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald.

That is truly intriguing and provocative.