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David Guyatt Wrote:Ed Jewett Wrote:The US government has got away with telling lies for so long that it no longer hesitates to lie in the most blatant way. WikiLeaks released a US classified document signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that explicitly orders US diplomats to spy on UN Security council officials and on the Secretary General of the United Nations. The cable is now in the public record. No one challenges its authenticity. Yet, today the Obama regime, precisely White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, declared that Hillary had never ordered or even asked US officials to spy on UN officials.
For the record, HERE is the Wikileaks document of Hilary's National HUMINT Collection Directive targeting the United Nations.
Despite our knowledge of history about the Goebbels big lie, people amazingly still believe the official "Big Whopper".
PS, I just checked and Cryptome's Wikileaks mirror is working okay.
Great if true, but I couldn't find it on the Cryptome site. Can you or someone link it or other working links here. thanks.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Great if true, but I couldn't find it on the Cryptome site. Can you or someone link it or other working links here. thanks. Here's my best shot at the current online situation:
- The http://cablegate.wikileaks.org seems to be unavailable. It's a sub-domain of the regular "wikileaks.org" domain which is also unavailable. I could not find an accessible Afghan war diaries site either which is ominous because that is a completely separate domain and NOT a wikileaks.org sub-domain.
- There is a working mirror of the wikileaks.org site running at: http://mirror.wikileaks.info. It only has the stuff prior to the Jan 2010 site suspension but its all there and there's masses of it that really hasn't been properly spread around yet. I'm trying to get the complete site dump and will mirror at wikiSpooks if I can get it.
- All the other older mirrors that I have addresses for ar not working. They each return a typical domain available advertising page which indicates the domains themselves have lapsed. In the case of the later one's (cablegate, Afghan war logs, and the regular 'wikileaks .org domain, the error returned indicates a domain name resolution failure which in turn indicates that one or more of the bigger domain name servers is not forwarding the request. It looks like there may be a concerted effort to screw up the entire DNS system's handling of the wikileaks domain.
In spite of the reservations I've posted before, I am four square behind the principles espoused by Wikileaks. It's actual implementation MAY be the subject of manipulation by Zionist and other interests (ie in the selection, timing, editing and forewarning of the stuff to be released) - in fact it's a no-brainer that the SIS's will do their damndest to do just that - and worse.
Right now it seems to me that the only thing that matters is to defend Wikileaks in whatever ways we can. As a small gesture, I too have emailed Amazon telling them to close my account and to send me no more of their spooky "recommendation" emails.
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Oops - I'm out of date.
The live site is available here: http://46.59.1.2/ ; http://213.251.145.96/
No DNS required to access a IP address direct.
The whole thing is fluid though
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Real mirrors on different IP Addresses
- wikileaks.info - Mirror hosted in Switzerland [62.2.16.94]
- wikileaks.se - Mirror hosted in Sweden [88.80.6.179]
- nyud.net - Mirror hosted in the United States [129.170.214.192]
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
Real mirrors on different IP Addresses
- wikileaks.info - Mirror hosted in Switzerland [62.2.16.94]
- wikileaks.se - Mirror hosted in Sweden [88.80.6.179] - Hacked
- nyud.net - Mirror hosted in the United States [129.170.214.192]
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This could also be posted under Child Abuse, Drugs, Military Contractors, Afghanistan, Corruption etc.
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec...ncing-boys
Quote:A scandal involving foreign contractors employed to train Afghan policemen who took drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" to entertain them in northern Afghanistan caused such panic that the interior minister begged the US embassy to try and "quash" the story, according to one of the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.
In a meeting with the assistant US ambassador, a panicked Hanif Atmar, the interior minister at the time of the episode last June, warned that the story would "endanger lives" and was particularly concerned that a video of the incident might be made public.
Rest of copyrighted article at above link. I haven't been able to access the original cable text yet. ![[Image: icon8.gif]](http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif)
Edit: There it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embas...nts/213720
Its heading contains the words "Kunduz Dyncorp Problem" ...
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:
Real mirrors on different IP Addresses
- wikileaks.info - Mirror hosted in Switzerland [62.2.16.94]
- wikileaks.se - Mirror hosted in Sweden [88.80.6.179] - Hacked
- nyud.net - Mirror hosted in the United States [129.170.214.192]
. It's Spy vs Spy stuff isn't it? Except one pays is US$ (soon to be worthless) and the other pays in respect, honour, and good karma.
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Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:This could also be posted under Child Abuse, Drugs, Military Contractors, Afghanistan, Corruption etc.
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec...ncing-boys
Quote:A scandal involving foreign contractors employed to train Afghan policemen who took drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" to entertain them in northern Afghanistan caused such panic that the interior minister begged the US embassy to try and "quash" the story, according to one of the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.
In a meeting with the assistant US ambassador, a panicked Hanif Atmar, the interior minister at the time of the episode last June, warned that the story would "endanger lives" and was particularly concerned that a video of the incident might be made public.
Rest of copyrighted article at above link. I haven't been able to access the original cable text yet. This story was exposed and we have some posts here about it. I don't know if the video made it into the public though. Dynacorp. Amongst others.
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Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:This could also be posted under Child Abuse, Drugs, Military Contractors, Afghanistan, Corruption etc.
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec...ncing-boys
Quote:A scandal involving foreign contractors employed to train Afghan policemen who took drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" to entertain them in northern Afghanistan caused such panic that the interior minister begged the US embassy to try and "quash" the story, according to one of the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.
In a meeting with the assistant US ambassador, a panicked Hanif Atmar, the interior minister at the time of the episode last June, warned that the story would "endanger lives" and was particularly concerned that a video of the incident might be made public.
Rest of copyrighted article at above link. I haven't been able to access the original cable text yet.
Edit: There it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embas...nts/213720
Its heading contains the words "Kunduz Dyncorp Problem" ...
Delightful DynCorp - way to go. All those hard men drooling over a dancing boy. Very Turkish.
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Pentagon creaming off allies Afghan contributions:
Quote:Germany accuses US over 'missing' Afghan funds, WikiLeaks cables show
Berlin claims that €50m contribution disappeared into US treasury coffers with 15% 'administrative fee' taken by army
Ian Traynor
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 December 2010 21.29 GMT
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WikiLeaks cables show Germany has questioned the US about money contributed by allies to a trust fund to finance the Afghan national army's kit and infrastructure. Photograph: Majid Saeedi/Getty Images
The US military has been charging its allies a 15% handling fee on hundreds of millions of dollars being raised internationally to build up the Afghan army. Germany has threatened to cancel contributions.
According to a protest to the US from Germany's ambassador to Nato this year, Berlin raised questions about the fate of €50m (£42m) it dispensed last year as the biggest contribution to a "trust fund" for the Afghan national army.
In protests in Berlin, Brussels, and Washington last February the German government demanded to know what was happening to the money, why earmarked projects were not going ahead and why the US military was taking 15%.
A cable to Washington from the US mission to Nato sought instructions on how to respond to the protests from Ulrich Brandenburg, the German ambassador to the military alliance.
"He said that money for earmarked projects had not been disbursed, resulting in delayed projects. He also said that the US army corps of engineers was charging a 15% administrative fee. He said that German parliamentarians were beginning to ask questions about how this money has been handled, adding that this could make it difficult for Berlin to provide additional contributions in the future."
Originally set up in 2007 to finance Afghan army kit and infrastructure, the trust fund had risen to more than €123m by the start of this year, according to Nato figures, with another €151m pledged involving 20 countries.
The German contribution was by far the biggest, more than double the second-placed €22m given by the Dutch, although Australia had pledged €150m.
Ivo Daalder, the US ambassador to Nato, told Washington that the German complaint raised "serious political concerns".
"The appearance that the US is charging allies an excessive fee for the use of monies they have donated to the ANA [Afghan national army] trust fund may be difficult to explain away during a parliamentary debate. Brandenburg is probably correct in arguing that issues such as this could make it more difficult to encourage nations to donate to the trust fund."
The US ambassador added that the German protest may be "inaccurate" since the 15% was probably a "contingency" rather than an "administrative" fee.
The German complaint said its €50m was transferred to an account of Shape, Nato's planning headquarters in Belgium, in October last year, with €7m earmarked for three military schools and barracks in Kabul, Mazar-I-Sharif, and Feyzabad.
"As of today no project financing has occurred," the Germans said on 3 February. In violation of the agreement setting up the contribution the money had then gone to the US treasury "including assignment of the US army corps of engineers and an administrative fee of 15%" .
Brandenburg said questions were being asked by German MPs and the Merkel government in Berlin was under pressure to explain what had happened with the money.
"Charging a 15% fee for managing and executing ANA TF, especially when applied to the funding of projects pursued by Germany, will inevitably attract heavy criticism by German audit bodies and parliamentary commissions."
The German protest voiced "concern about the fact that any further delay in allocating funds to the prioritised German projects and executing the remainder of funds donated by Germany must substantially impair prospects for any further German contributions to the ANA TF."
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