Anyone want to discuss HARVEY & LEE?

[David Josephs]

So here is the detailed Landes USMC medical record.: http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...eId=1&tab=page

Thanks Tom... With so many WC Docs I appreciate being led to different ones with specific info buried under anonymous headings...

One of the things that most bother me about the USMC records is the conflict between "A[B]ircraft Control and Warning Operator"[/B] school (Radar operator) and the recommendation as well as preference of duty in his records as a "Aircraft Maintenance and Repair"...

With as poor hearing as he had, I fail to see how he gets into a Air Traffic Control. Felde tells us that his Oswald did not go to Biloxi but was in Florida thru July when they go to "Aviation Electronics School" in Memphis TN which as I understand it would be for Aircraft Maintenance nad Repair, not Air traffic controller...

http://www.marines.com/being-a-marine/ro...t/avionics
Marines in the Avionics field install, remove, inspect, test, maintain and repair all aviation weapons and electrical systems. They also support communications, radar and navigation systems.

http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docI...2&tab=page

On the next page in that WCD with the Landes info WCD131, we are told yet another little white lie by the FBI who, when necessary, couldn't find their a$$ with two hands and a flashlight...

"The records fail to name any personnel assigned or attending above school with Oswald"

When in reality the records could not be more clear... and later on, Powers produces the orders for these six men at his testimony..

Mr. POWERS. I have the travel orders, and if you want them-----
Mr. JENNER. Fine. If you have anything from which you may refresh your recollection so that we can have the exact date, I appreciate it.
Mr. POWERS. This would be, 2 May 1957 is on the date of these orders.
Mr. POWERS. Yes.
"Effective 3 May 1957, the below listed marines are directed to report to the 3380th Technical Training Group, 3383d Student Squadron, Block 21, Building 17, Shipping and Receiving Section, Keesler Air Force Base, Biloxi, Miss., for duty under instruction, USNAC&W Operators Course No. AB27037, Class 08057, for a period of about 6 weeks. Upon arrival thereat, they will report to the Commanding Officer for duty."
And then it lists six marines with Lee H. Oswald as one of these marines.

Mr. POWERS. (1Pfc. Edward J. Bandoni.) 551427. Pfc. James N. Brereton, 1644586; Pfc. Donald P. Camarata, 1632342.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Would you check that number again as against mine? I had 1653230, am I in error?
Mr. POWERS. You're in error, sir. It's 1632342. The next name that appears is Lee H. Oswald, private, first class, 1653230. And the next name is my name, Powers, Daniel P., 1497089. And the next name that appears is Schrand, Martin E., private, first class, 1639694


Mr. POWERS. Up to--you could say that's true to a certain extent. We did attend school there. Then from Mississippi we were assigned orders to go overseas, and report to El Toro, Calif. Here, while we were at Mississippi, it was parallel. We attended the same classes, and in the same particular group as far as the initial starting of training and graduation, if you would like to call it that.
Mr. JENNER Yes.
Mr. POWERS. And then once we got to California, they changed somewhat because some of the people reported in early to California and some of them reported later, so this getting into an overseas draft meant that some were leaving out of California earlier than others, of course, which would mean their assignments as far as orders, were different.
I would say that four of the names mentioned previously, Camarata, Oswald, Powers, and Schrand, went to the Far East; Bandoni and Brereton, I'm not sure where they went. I think they went to the east coast, as I recall

Mr. JENNER. Did he ever express any sympathy toward the Communist Party?
Mr. POWERS. None that I recall.
Mr. JENNER. Toward Communist principles?
Mr. POWERS. None that I recall.
Mr. JENNER. Or Marxist doctrines?
Mr. POWERS. None that I recall; no, sir.

HARVEY was said to be spouting off on Communism and Marxism a great deal of the time... This is NOT Harvey Mr. Powers here is talking about... but LEE and helps to illustrate the existence of these two separate men.

[Albert Doyle]

Couldn't the driver's license application entered in Warren Commission evidence be traced to see if it is still in evidence?



The application is Commission Exhibit 112. If it was found at the boarding house its chain of possession doesn't allow it to detour to the Texas Public Safety office before returning to Commission evidence. Ms Frair said the driver's license came right from the existing file for Lee Harvey Oswald. Parker's claim makes no sense at all considering that the application being found at the boarding house means it wasn't ever sent in. So therefore Parker commits a rogue violation of investigation of evidence when he ignores that Oswald couldn't possibly have an established file at the Texas Public Safety office when he hadn't even sent in his driver's license application. Ms Frair said Oswald had an established IBM data card for his driver's license.

It makes sense that if the application was found at the boarding house that therefore it went straight to evidence and never took the long route to the Public Safety office. More likely the application went to evidence and stayed in evidence, never leaving. Therefore it would be impossible to make the ridiculous claim that the application is what the Public Safety office employees witnessed. Once you eliminate the application those who deny H&L are standing with their britches down around their ankles as far as being able to explain away this pure evidence of H&L.

The license does it. The attackers are what is dead here.



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[Drew Phipps]

There is another possibility: That the application itself from the Berkley residence is merely a duplicate or a carbon copy, and that the Department of Public Safety was in the process of issuing a license, or perhaps was waiting on payment. Oswald moved around a lot, and also never seemed to have money (except when he was buying thousands of flyers), so perhaps he never received the license that DPS was prepared to (or previously had) grant him. He also could have applied before April 1963, and then moved to New Orleans, then moved back, and obtained another application, believing he needed to re-apply...

Here it is:

[Jim Hargrove]

[Albert Doyle]

Something is wrong here and that form looks deliberately smudged up. Could it be because there's an application date on it?


Examination should be able to tell if it is a carbon copy or not.


In any case it doesn't answer the issue about the worn and dirty driver's license seen at the Public Safety office. They were obviously talking about a small card carried around in a wallet and not any application form. There's no way those employees would not vocalize the difference between the two. They were clearly talking about a driver's license that had been worn by being carried around in a wallet. They could have confirmed it but no one considered that they would have to be clarifying years later because deniers tried to claim it was an application.


Ms Frair:

Several other employees (5 or 6) of the Department saw the driver's license which was dirty and worn as though it had been carried in a billfold.

Clearly a driver's license paper card that was designed to be carried in a wallet and not a letter-sized application form.


I guess the clincher is the creasing on that form is not folded as if it was carried in a wallet. Check it out.

He also could have applied before April 1963, and then moved to New Orleans, then moved back, and obtained another application, believing he needed to re-apply.

Funny how Marina, Mrs Paine, or anybody else never noticed this.


Doubt it because of you pay attention to the top of the form there's a fee. If Lee Harvey Oswald applied previously he would have paid the fee. After having paid the fee it is unlikely he would have just filed another form and paid the fee again.


Good. The crude denier is obvious squirming on the hook realizing his application bs has fatally blown-up on him. I guess he's changed his story once again while somehow interpreting that as our failure. When you get him to go full Aussie he's really on the ropes. He's pretending this is a "fallible memory" issue when it is plainly obvious it was hard verified by 6 employees and sworn to to a District Attorney. Again, the investigators obviously disappearing documents somehow isn't a sign of their criminality and deception but is instead a weakness in our side.




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[David Josephs]

At EF you almost have to see it to believe it...

W. Tracy Parnell, on 17 Jul 2015 - 3:54 PM, said:Armstrong has now updated his article "The Story of Two Steven Landesbergs". The "red bearded man" is gone as is the "3 am interview". I will decide how to update my own site to reflect these changes, but the history of these misrepresentations will be documented. A small concession, but his premise is still false and he is still taking liberties with the facts in other ways.

You going to turn the big brain now to proving Oswald shot JFK as you believe... or you only good for taking on other people's work?

How about that thread of your own work proving your beliefs - or do you not hold your work out for examination and analysis?

You see Tracy - I've been to your LHO Research Page - and I come to find nothing but a couple H&L arguments and no original content whatsoever besides your book reviews.

July 2001? Keeping things up to date we see

Three Key Areas That Disprove the Armstrong Theory

Newsgroup Post by W. Tracy Parnell
July 2001

1. HSCA Fingerprint and Photo Analysis.
2. HSCA Handwriting Analysis
3. Oswald Exhumation

Really? The HSCA is your source material which disproves the H&L evidence in the record... that's take you far


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Very impressive set of people Tracy... you should have no trouble at all proving your POV


To be fair your blog was started in April of this year yet you do seem to be focused predominantly on H&L....

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Do you ever plan to get around to your OSWALD DID IT threads and posts which present YOUR WORK which shows the WCR was correct - at least DVP has the persistence to stick by his convictions...




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[Albert Doyle]

I wonder if there's going to be a poll on the fallible memory and application excuses for Oswald's driver's license found at the Texas Public Safety Department?



Anyone who tries to say once you question the credibility of a source that you yourself can never use that source is exposing the cheap/uncredible nature of their logic and approach. Meanwhile while trying to claim total victory off of specks these same charlatans allow FBI to rob the store. They're not to be taken seriously.


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[Ray Mitcham]

The application shown above states that his occupation was a photographer. This would seem to indicate that he was working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall which was late 1962. It also shows his age as 24, which confirms the year.

[Albert Doyle]

The application shown above states that his occupation was a photographer. This would seem to indicate that he was working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall which was late 1962. It also shows his age as 24, which confirms the year.

According to Oswald's October 1939 birthdate he could not possibly be 24 until October 1963. Oswald was fired from Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall in April 1963. This document is indicating it was never sent in and therefore could not have initiated any file or record base for Oswald at the Texas Public Safety & Highway Department.

[Ray Mitcham]

Mea Culpa, Albert. I forgot he was born in 1939.