JFK describes "The Unthinkable" -- "The High Cabal"

[Seamus Coogan]

Sorensen knew that what he wrote had nothing to do them.

That's really interesting Gary cheers. Where pray tell did you bump into him?

[Gary Severson]

Hi Seamus, I was a presenter at a 46th anniversary(09) memorial for JFK at the U. of North Dakota, my alma mater, where he had received an honorary doctorate on Sept. 25/63. Sorensen was a keynote speaker along with Richard Reeves, JFK's biographer. Thanks for asking.

[Seamus Coogan]

Hi Seamus, I was a presenter at a 46th anniversary(09) memorial for JFK at the U. of North Dakota, my alma mater, where he had received an honorary doctorate on Sept. 25/63. Sorensen was a keynote speaker along with Richard Reeves, JFK's biographer. Thanks for asking.

No cheers you effectively ended the argument for me and CD. Its nice to be on the winning side lol.
Reeves, what did you when you saw him? I hope you gave him an upper cut.

[Gary Severson]

Seamus, I vaguely remember Reeves keynote. I wasn't very familiar with him so wasn't expecting anything in particular. I remember his presentation was a complex way of explaining JFK. I would have to go to the archives of the conference. I did talk to him for a minute but nothing I remember stands out. I assume you mean by giving him an uppercut you're referring to something he has written about the assassination?

[Bernice Moore]

Greg; in reading rfk by Evan Thomas..for a time rfk thought mcgeorge bundy as traitorous, for how readily he transferred his allegiance to lbj, along with some others, they eventually it seems worked it out after rfk blew up and settled the matter later on...b

[Greg Burnham]

Greg; in reading rfk by Evan Thomas..for a time rfk thought mcgeorge bundy as traitorous, for how readily he transferred his allegiance to lbj, along with some others, they eventually it seems worked it out after rfk blew up and settled the matter later on...b

Hi Bernice,

I've never found the transfer of allegiance to LBJ suspect, in and of itself. IF (and it's a very big IF) there was nothing "out of sorts" about the untimely demise of a former leader, then the swift transfer of allegiance to his successor is not only absolutely appropriate, in my view, it is also desirable...the sooner the better. Such a shift in allegiance is, understandably, a dicey affair even in the best of circumstances. So, on its face I don't find the shift in allegiance suspect, although I acknowledge the temptation to see it as such.

However, the swift change in policy that was, at the very least, penned--perhaps even initiated--by McGeorge Bundy less than 24 hours before JFK's death (in the DRAFT of NSAM 273), speaks volumes. That LBJ actually signed the final version (containing few modifications of merit compared to the original draft) IS suspect, in my view.

It is also interesting to note that Section 4 of the draft [below] was eliminated from the final version. Why? Because it had already served its purpose: "Damage Control" -- just in case. It is the only part that is not clearly referencing Vietnam. In light of what happened the next day... :angeldevil:

Section 4 of NSAM 273 (DRAFT)

4. It is of the highest importance that the United States Government avoid either the appearance or the reality of public recrimination from one part of it against another, and the President expects that all senior officers of the Government will take energetic steps to insure that they and their subordinates go out of their way to maintain and to defend the unity of the United States Government both here and in the field.

Huh? Of what is McBundy afraid? They just concluded TOP SECRET meetings regarding Vietnam Policy in Hawaii at the Honolulu Conference. These meetings were TOP SECRET. What is he afraid of here? Why is there an instruction going out to the top administration officials, members of congress, and others that advises them of the above? It can't be as a result of what was discussed in Hawaii about Vietnam can it? Of course not! These were TOP SECRET meetings that had taken place less than 24 hours earlier.

The next day JFK was dead. Four days later LBJ signed NSAM 273 MINUS the above Section 4. Like I said, it had already served its purpose.

[Bernice Moore]

thanks it's GREG :danceing: for your information, here is a somewhat report on nam within the Hawaii conference.fwiw..also a photo of the darlins....hutup:

[Bernice Moore]

fwiw i'm rambling here, a part of a post I made on another site.some hawaii information, it was a long discussion on communications that day...best b

As an additive....

In Hawaii on Nov. 21/63 , the day before......shortly after lunch Honolulu time , U.S.Ambassador to South Vietnam Henry Cabot Lodge made a long distance call from the lobby of the Royal Hawaiian Hotel..Now this distinguished diplomat had acces to phones in privacy from his room or the military circuits at no cost....Yet he was seen, according to the Honolulu Star Bulletin, with a stack of quarters in his hand putting coin after coin into a pay phone??
Mr.Lodge was in Honolulu for a nine hour summit conference on Nam with Sec. of Defence Robert McNamara ,Sec of State Dean Rusk, financial aid chief David E.Bell ,Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Maxwell D.Taylor, Admiral Harry D.Felt, and General Paul D.Harkins, then the Commander of U.S.Forces in Vietnam..
Lodge was the only person of the seven member policy-making body to stay at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel.....the others stayed in the military quarters.
This group of high level political and military policymakers had just decided to step-up military operations against communist insurgents in Nam.

This desicion was in Direct Conflict with President Kennedy's announced intention
of Oct.63..to withdraw 1000 U.S.military personnel from Sth.Vietnam, reducing U.S.troop strength there to approximately 14.500..
Three days later Lodge met with the new President and was instructed by LBJ to return to Vietnam and inform the Saigon government of the new U.S policy of strong military support for South Vietnam..

But from Washington......on the afternoon of Nov. 22/63......somewhere high over the United States, the new President Lyndon Baines Johnson and the passengers aboard AF 1....received the news that the assassination had been performed by one individual and no conspriacy existed.....The news came not from the scene of the crime,Dallas.....but from Washington D.C....specifically, it came from either McGeorge Bundy or Commander Oliver Hallet in the Situation Room of the White House Communications Agency...........manned by military personnel and receiving much of it's information from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in the Pentagon.....

and Last but not least there was in the air over the U.S a mobile military force able to be thrown into action anywhere in the U.S where needed.......if trouble developed..The largest peacetime airlift in history had taken place, Operation Big Lift....had moved an entire combat division from Texas to Germany for thirty days just one month previous.....On the day of President Kennedy was killed, the last third of the returning troops were in the air at the time of the shooting...estimated to be a brigade combat team armed with personal weapons, which could have been deployed anywhere into action, in the nation on a very short notice.....if perhaps needed.....

But this was of course all coincidence, if not then it was an indication of the careful planning undertaken by the Military ......That day in Dallas.....

From:

The Day Kennedy Was Shot....Jim Bishop
Dallas Radio Tapes..11/22/63
The Death of a President....William Manchester
Forgive My Grief IV...Penn Jones
The Making of the President...Theodore White
Cover-Up.........Gary Shaw

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[Greg Burnham]

"Craig" -- ???

[Charles Drago]

Forgive her, George.