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Graphic model of JFK assassination perps
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Myra Bronstein Wrote:If we can't name all the perps then we shouldn't name any of the perps?
I reject this logic.

It's the same logic, in my view, used by those who insist that there was/is no point in impeaching Bush/Cheney; they're just puppets, the tip of the iceberg bla bla bla. Well they should be impeached jailed puppets then. And we should go after the rest of them too.

Back to the JFK case, it will never click with people if we just say the MIC done it. It's too nebulous. People need to, and have a right to, know exactly which gov't agencies used their tax dollars to murder their president and exactly which gov't agencies used their tax dollars to cover up the president's murder, and exactly which groups and individuals were accessories in the gov't crimes. Then it will be much more clear how and why the same things are occuring today.

I understand the passion expressed.

But you must forgive me Myra, for I am one of those who doesn't feel a strong need to know the exact names. Knowing the "why" provides me with as much as I really ever wanted to know in order to understand the world and how it works.

Personalities come and go, they die, are born and are replaced, but the underlying ghastly creature that drives our nations from behind the curtain continues. And it's greatest enduring strength is the fact that the faces that represent it from year to year, and decade to decade, are ever changing.

I would also argue that it is also a fact of life that tax-dollars disappear in a silent whoosh every second of every day. That is actually the only real reason tax-dollars are collected in the first place. The rationale the public is fed, and usually (even if reluctantly) swallows, about the public need for taxation is pure and simple bullshit. Tax money is firstly used to properly control (enslave if you will) the "donating" public using their own money to do so. The bulk of it is thereafter used to help enrich the wealthy, benefit corporations, ensure that State can enforce it trading will overseas and to ensure the entire bureaucracy of government is maintained in the manner it has grown accustomed. And government departments and agencies engage in wholesale perversion of justice plus numerous other crimes also on a daily basis.

Having said all this twaddle, if I were to seek to know the guilty names I would be mindful of the organizational set-up of the Rhodes-Milner Group's creature, the Royal Institute of Foreign Affairs (RIIA) now better known simply as "Chatham House".

The CFR was established as the sister organization to this outwardly respectful policy-making entity of an ultra-secret and immensely powerful insider organization that privately formulated and guided British foreign policy from behind the scenes.

The R-M "Group" was founded as a three ring organization with an outer ring (Chatham House), a middle ring of invited vip's and insiders, and an inner ring of half a dozen or so of the very top movers and shakers.

Important policy was formulated in the inner sanctum, and was then insinuateds outwards with each ring knowing ever less about the full machinations of the inner-core - but who non-the-less were happy to be co-opted to the ugly machinations because of the rewards and privilege thereby bestowed. All members of all rings clearly understood that they were a part of the writhing serpent that bore the name: the "elite".

Therefore, simply research the inner core of the CFR -- assuming it existed as per the R-M model (and I feel quite certain it must have), and I believe you will learn the names of all the principal players/culprits, followed by the others who were bent to the will of the conspiracy as willing accessories to murder. I dare say a few "top" Brits were consulted and in the know also.

But none of the conspirators will ever be brought to justice.

The beast exults in life but the faces have long since gone.

Yours in cynicism
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:I understand the passion expressed.

But none of the conspirators will ever be brought to justice.

David,

Your post demands a lengthier response than that which I can muster this evening (two bottles of 1985 Chateau Margaux, courtesy of well-heeled friends, come with rules of engagement).

I would simply note that, for moral relativists, "justice," like "war crimes," is defined by the victors.

This of course is the materialists' argument, one based upon a core denial of the very existence of the "ethical spirit" of which Schweitzer spoke and wrote.

The justice you reference is universal and constant. And while I regularly approach despair to the extent that I voice my agreement with your conclusion, I could not go on if I did not accept that the arc of the universe bends toward the J-word.

Our enemies are not individuals, but families and broader institutions. And so we are left with a punishing contradiction:

The majority of JFK hit sponsors are dead.

The majority of JFK hit sponsors are not beyond the reach of justice.
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Two bottles!

Seriously Charlie, couldn't you have dispatched one to you friend here in the UK and we could have enacted the same rituals and become mellow together.

1985 Margaux! My heart bleeds in despair and envy.

David

Isn't "Justice" a small unoccupied island off the Sandwich Islands in the Pacific adjacent to Pitcairn? I would dearly love to see it grow, prosper and take on the role of global honest cop and prosecuting authority and to put al the nasties behind bars -- but sadly man's nature will first have to undergo a much needed and intensive surgical bypass operation before that can happen.

Until the Collective Shadow is tackled by each of us that bypass surgery will remain a dream. As indeed will real justice.

Yours in Jung

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The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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