09-08-2011, 12:51 AM
Thanks for the warning, Wayne. I take note, and understand where you are coming from. I hold much of what I read, even the stuff purportedly coming from "the good guys" (where are they, these days? who are they?) at an arms' length. As is often said here, misinformation and disinformation, if not outright prejudice or other form of crap, comes cloaked in useful information. It is damned hard to distinguish which is which. I have two recourses, or approaches.
#1) I go back as far as I can reasonably go, given time and budget, into the original source material. Hence my readings in "The Perfectibilists", Stauffer's "The Bavarian Illuminati in America" (2006), a reprint of "New England and the Bavarian Illuminati" (1918) with a defensive twist, and others I haven't gotten to.
#2) I see what resonates in my own experience as a mind/body/spirit entity, given my library of over 80 book on religion and spirituality, my limited understanding of neuro-cognitive and neuro-immunologic science, etc. I can only be who and what I am and try to improve on it.
There has been discussion here and elsewhere about proper or improved word/term differentiation when discussing Jews, Jewry, Judaism, and Zionism. As I appreciate it, understand it, comprehend it:
#1) an individual's choice (active or passive) of religious belief is unassailable; everyone has a right to believe what they will, and worship what/how they want to; my ancestors left England almost 400 years ago in pursuit of that right;
#2) Jewry is global; much is to be said about trans-global movement, diaspora, etc., but that's not my focus or concern; it is, however, at play in the history of Zionism and Israel; the ethno- component of the religiosity is a deep and rugged subject;
#3) Judaism has multiple components, of which I am no expert; indeed, I am unlearned in terms of differentiating Torah, Talmudism, Conservative, Reform, Liberal, Progressive, etc.;
#4) Zionism is a political movement that some characterize as Jewish. And yet here in the States many Christians, including the Vice President, are not Jewish and are self-proclaimed Zionists. Wikipedia identifies five sub-ideologies and says it was founded by secular Jews. There is something in there about neglecting one's faith in order to assimilate. I think it would help the rest of us if the Jews could address their own issues in terms of ethnicity concerns, the variants of Judaism, and the variants of Zionism without infecting or affecting the political process of other sovereign countries and without causing them to spend inordinate sums to defend a small nation which arguably has been given by the US the military means to defend itself and has stolen the rest of it from the US as well. Moreover, it has adopted, apparently, a crazed disorder in which it has turned itself into the very thing it despises and against which it is trying to defend itself.
Your cautions, Wayne, suggest -- as someone else has done -- that I not fall into the abyss of hatred. I work overtime at it. I am coming from a place of love for the future of my grandchildren, of love of life itself, of love of a country that at least at one time had the promise of being a peaceful nation that was a beacon. Today, it has become -- like its other self, Israel -- a pariah.
I am currently reading a book entitled Creating a Learning Culture: Strategy, Technology, and Practice, an offshoot based on the work done by Peter Senge on organizational learning. In it, there is a wonderful description of how the US was designed to be a "nobody-in-charge" unique experiment in uncentralized governance, a situation that required continuous learning. This thread was started with an OP on the role of secret societies in the "dumbing down" of America. You note that Rockefeller was not Jewish, that JP Morgan was an Episcopalian, etc. and,of course, you are right. One might suggest that they were only pretending to be Christians in order to assimilate themselves. Greed and the need to seize and maintain a hold on power requires much deception.
The centuries-old history of all of this is hidden in legend and myth and the secrecies and secret methods of the usurers of the day; There are threads here which provide information about the computerized methods of espionage and secrecy and surveillance of the modern day. Today, the stock market in New York fell 650 points; some fellow standing next to a pole was perhaps sending secret signals and those with capital that was hoarded in the rising price of gold (or derived from the trafficking of narcotics) will soon buy most everything available for pennies on the dollar. Retirees will run to bulk-purchase stores to try to buy canned goods.
"Cannibalism is the consuming of another's life for one's own private purpose or profit." [Forbes, Jack. Columbus and other Cannibals: The Wetiko Disease of Exploitation, Imperialism and Terrorism. Brooklyn, N.Y.: Autonomedia, 1992.][ http://www.amazon.com/Columbus-Other-Can...0936756705 ]
"Lacking a sense of soul, wetikos are efficient 'machines', dedicated to preserving and serving "the state," which, to quote Forbes, "is itself a creature of the wetikos who have seized control of its power apparatus." A full-fledged wetiko has become a robotic automaton, conditioned to react to certain stimuli like a reflex. They have become part of "the machine," with no spontaneity, creativity, originality, nor freethinking programmed in. Dehumanized, wetikos have lost touch with any sense of aesthetics, of appreciating the inherent beauty of life, and have become 'an-esthetic,', i.e., anesthetized and numb to what it used to be a human being. Emissaries of an authoritarian, militarized, patriarchal planetary 'culture', the wetiko bug breeds fascism, and terror. To quote the great healer Wilhelm Reich, "Fascism is the vampire leached to the body of the living, the impulse to murder given free reign." Fascism is the outer, collective political expression of an individual's ravaged inner landscape that has been crippled and suppressed by the authoritarian civilization of' 'the machine."[p. 46-47, in Paul Levy]
"In a situation of' group narcissism', wetikos at different stages of hte disease assume particular postures and roles relative to each other so as to protect and shield themselves from their own insanity and darkness. They feed and reinforce each others' narcissism because it enhances their own....."
I hear a lot about peoples' sense of genetic exceptionalism; this is seen in the kinds of white supremacist nonsense you warn against, but it is also seen in the attitudes of more than one person of one or another Jewish persuasion; there is great pride in the supposed intellectual and cognitive excellence presence in the Jewish genes. Gene-specific biowarfare capacities are with us in this world. Nuclear and other forms of apocalypse and holocaust are threatened regularly, sometimes by people with the capacity to actualize it. We've seen bits of it recently in Oslo; we've seen it regularly in the Mideast; Leon Panetta defends the perverse budgetary consumption necessary to maintain the ability of the US to defend itself by offensive means. Much of this is created in the inner sanctuaries of secret societies where men of exceptional wealth and background pretend that they can capture the alchemical and cosmic forces which fact certifies that they are the Chosen Ones with the right to decide the future for the rest of us.
***
"We have a choice between conversation and violence."
"… when force imposes no limits on itself,
violence and terror reign and, finally,
both life and spirit are destroyed."
Karl Jaspers
#1) I go back as far as I can reasonably go, given time and budget, into the original source material. Hence my readings in "The Perfectibilists", Stauffer's "The Bavarian Illuminati in America" (2006), a reprint of "New England and the Bavarian Illuminati" (1918) with a defensive twist, and others I haven't gotten to.
#2) I see what resonates in my own experience as a mind/body/spirit entity, given my library of over 80 book on religion and spirituality, my limited understanding of neuro-cognitive and neuro-immunologic science, etc. I can only be who and what I am and try to improve on it.
There has been discussion here and elsewhere about proper or improved word/term differentiation when discussing Jews, Jewry, Judaism, and Zionism. As I appreciate it, understand it, comprehend it:
#1) an individual's choice (active or passive) of religious belief is unassailable; everyone has a right to believe what they will, and worship what/how they want to; my ancestors left England almost 400 years ago in pursuit of that right;
#2) Jewry is global; much is to be said about trans-global movement, diaspora, etc., but that's not my focus or concern; it is, however, at play in the history of Zionism and Israel; the ethno- component of the religiosity is a deep and rugged subject;
#3) Judaism has multiple components, of which I am no expert; indeed, I am unlearned in terms of differentiating Torah, Talmudism, Conservative, Reform, Liberal, Progressive, etc.;
#4) Zionism is a political movement that some characterize as Jewish. And yet here in the States many Christians, including the Vice President, are not Jewish and are self-proclaimed Zionists. Wikipedia identifies five sub-ideologies and says it was founded by secular Jews. There is something in there about neglecting one's faith in order to assimilate. I think it would help the rest of us if the Jews could address their own issues in terms of ethnicity concerns, the variants of Judaism, and the variants of Zionism without infecting or affecting the political process of other sovereign countries and without causing them to spend inordinate sums to defend a small nation which arguably has been given by the US the military means to defend itself and has stolen the rest of it from the US as well. Moreover, it has adopted, apparently, a crazed disorder in which it has turned itself into the very thing it despises and against which it is trying to defend itself.
Your cautions, Wayne, suggest -- as someone else has done -- that I not fall into the abyss of hatred. I work overtime at it. I am coming from a place of love for the future of my grandchildren, of love of life itself, of love of a country that at least at one time had the promise of being a peaceful nation that was a beacon. Today, it has become -- like its other self, Israel -- a pariah.
I am currently reading a book entitled Creating a Learning Culture: Strategy, Technology, and Practice, an offshoot based on the work done by Peter Senge on organizational learning. In it, there is a wonderful description of how the US was designed to be a "nobody-in-charge" unique experiment in uncentralized governance, a situation that required continuous learning. This thread was started with an OP on the role of secret societies in the "dumbing down" of America. You note that Rockefeller was not Jewish, that JP Morgan was an Episcopalian, etc. and,of course, you are right. One might suggest that they were only pretending to be Christians in order to assimilate themselves. Greed and the need to seize and maintain a hold on power requires much deception.
The centuries-old history of all of this is hidden in legend and myth and the secrecies and secret methods of the usurers of the day; There are threads here which provide information about the computerized methods of espionage and secrecy and surveillance of the modern day. Today, the stock market in New York fell 650 points; some fellow standing next to a pole was perhaps sending secret signals and those with capital that was hoarded in the rising price of gold (or derived from the trafficking of narcotics) will soon buy most everything available for pennies on the dollar. Retirees will run to bulk-purchase stores to try to buy canned goods.
"Cannibalism is the consuming of another's life for one's own private purpose or profit." [Forbes, Jack. Columbus and other Cannibals: The Wetiko Disease of Exploitation, Imperialism and Terrorism. Brooklyn, N.Y.: Autonomedia, 1992.][ http://www.amazon.com/Columbus-Other-Can...0936756705 ]
"Lacking a sense of soul, wetikos are efficient 'machines', dedicated to preserving and serving "the state," which, to quote Forbes, "is itself a creature of the wetikos who have seized control of its power apparatus." A full-fledged wetiko has become a robotic automaton, conditioned to react to certain stimuli like a reflex. They have become part of "the machine," with no spontaneity, creativity, originality, nor freethinking programmed in. Dehumanized, wetikos have lost touch with any sense of aesthetics, of appreciating the inherent beauty of life, and have become 'an-esthetic,', i.e., anesthetized and numb to what it used to be a human being. Emissaries of an authoritarian, militarized, patriarchal planetary 'culture', the wetiko bug breeds fascism, and terror. To quote the great healer Wilhelm Reich, "Fascism is the vampire leached to the body of the living, the impulse to murder given free reign." Fascism is the outer, collective political expression of an individual's ravaged inner landscape that has been crippled and suppressed by the authoritarian civilization of' 'the machine."[p. 46-47, in Paul Levy]
"In a situation of' group narcissism', wetikos at different stages of hte disease assume particular postures and roles relative to each other so as to protect and shield themselves from their own insanity and darkness. They feed and reinforce each others' narcissism because it enhances their own....."
I hear a lot about peoples' sense of genetic exceptionalism; this is seen in the kinds of white supremacist nonsense you warn against, but it is also seen in the attitudes of more than one person of one or another Jewish persuasion; there is great pride in the supposed intellectual and cognitive excellence presence in the Jewish genes. Gene-specific biowarfare capacities are with us in this world. Nuclear and other forms of apocalypse and holocaust are threatened regularly, sometimes by people with the capacity to actualize it. We've seen bits of it recently in Oslo; we've seen it regularly in the Mideast; Leon Panetta defends the perverse budgetary consumption necessary to maintain the ability of the US to defend itself by offensive means. Much of this is created in the inner sanctuaries of secret societies where men of exceptional wealth and background pretend that they can capture the alchemical and cosmic forces which fact certifies that they are the Chosen Ones with the right to decide the future for the rest of us.
***
"We have a choice between conversation and violence."
"… when force imposes no limits on itself,
violence and terror reign and, finally,
both life and spirit are destroyed."
Karl Jaspers
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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