One of the funniest parts of the BYP analysis by the HSCA was the excuse for the line across the chin.
THey called it a watermark.
Anyone who did darkroom work with developers and fluids in those days understands that watermarks don't come out of fluids looking like straight lines.
And also, the chin in that photo does not look like Oswald's chin.
Right, Jim, HSCA under CIA-purse-dog Blakey outdid itself with depiction of the Strap-On He-Man Chin on Lee's delicate jawbone
As you note in Destiny Betrayed, the editorial in Jock Whitney's Herald used the thesis of Robert Donovan's The Assassins that (as Allen Dulles would exclaim, thrusting the book on his Commission fellows) America spawned only lone nuts
Now the talents of CD Jackson Ike's psychwar chief in war and peace could drill it into Mr and Mrs America and all the ships at sea
Finding images of Oswald's hands is surprisingly difficult... What I've done is compile what I could find showing Oswald's right hand.
One of the obvious comments has been the fingers on that right hand look very short, fat and stubby on the BYP.... Yet the only image that replicates this is a very suspect image of "Oswald" in Japan....
which I venture to say is quite a stretch to conclude that is the same man as the one killed by Ruby.
In every image of Oswald being arrested... his hands/fingers are slender and large... the image at the right is of Oswald with Marina in Russia... again - slender large hands/fingers.
The 2nd image below the BYP blowup of his hand IS his right hand on the day of arrest and compares in no way to the BYP. Big knuckles... long fingers.... vs those stubby short fingers that do not taper but simply end. No pronounced knuckles... just little sausages....
Finally... the image of Oswald wearing his wedding ring on the right hand on the train.... makes sense, he was just married. If you look at the bottom right arrest photo his Marine Ring is LARGE... it sticks out away from his fingers quite a bit where the BYP and Japan image appear relatively flat... (albeit the image is too grainy to actually make out detail)...
Rings move from hand to hand with ease... ring finger to ring finger? I find that one hand is usually larger than the other and rings on certain fingers fit others when switched....
Is there something special about wearing a wedding ring on the RIGHT hand? A Russian thing?
In any case... I think the attached collage shows that the man arrested and fingerprinted has hands much larger and slender than what is shown in the BYP. (btw - I used the image Lamson linked to for my BYP) And gives more credibility to the notion the face don't match the body's features.
David Josephs Wrote:Let's take a different approach...
Finding images of Oswald's hands is surprisingly difficult... What I've done is compile what I could find showing Oswald's right hand.
One of the obvious comments has been the fingers on that right hand look very short, fat and stubby on the BYP.... Yet the only image that replicates this is a very suspect image of "Oswald" in Japan....
which I venture to say is quite a stretch to conclude that is the same man as the one killed by Ruby.
In every image of Oswald being arrested... his hands/fingers are slender and large... the image at the right is of Oswald with Marina in Russia... again - slender large hands/fingers.
The 2nd image below the BYP blowup of his hand IS his right hand on the day of arrest and compares in no way to the BYP. Big knuckles... long fingers.... vs those stubby short fingers that do not taper but simply end. No pronounced knuckles... just little sausages....
Finally... the image of Oswald wearing his wedding ring on the right hand on the train.... makes sense, he was just married. If you look at the bottom right arrest photo his Marine Ring is LARGE... it sticks out away from his fingers quite a bit where the BYP and Japan image appear relatively flat... (albeit the image is too grainy to actually make out detail)...
Rings move from hand to hand with ease... ring finger to ring finger? I find that one hand is usually larger than the other and rings on certain fingers fit others when switched....
Is there something special about wearing a wedding ring on the RIGHT hand? A Russian thing?
In any case... I think the attached collage shows that the man arrested and fingerprinted has hands much larger and slender than what is shown in the BYP. (btw - I used the image Lamson linked to for my BYP) And gives more credibility to the notion the face don't match the body's features.
NO ONE EVER claimed that LHO had the last digits of his right hand's fingers cut off! Stop looking for insane things, please! His fingers were chopped off by the conspirators who set him up. Roscoe White and others were involved in this.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
David Josephs Wrote:Let's take a different approach...
Finding images of Oswald's hands is surprisingly difficult... What I've done is compile what I could find showing Oswald's right hand.
One of the obvious comments has been the fingers on that right hand look very short, fat and stubby on the BYP.... Yet the only image that replicates this is a very suspect image of "Oswald" in Japan....
which I venture to say is quite a stretch to conclude that is the same man as the one killed by Ruby.
In every image of Oswald being arrested... his hands/fingers are slender and large... the image at the right is of Oswald with Marina in Russia... again - slender large hands/fingers.
The 2nd image below the BYP blowup of his hand IS his right hand on the day of arrest and compares in no way to the BYP. Big knuckles... long fingers.... vs those stubby short fingers that do not taper but simply end. No pronounced knuckles... just little sausages....
Finally... the image of Oswald wearing his wedding ring on the right hand on the train.... makes sense, he was just married. If you look at the bottom right arrest photo his Marine Ring is LARGE... it sticks out away from his fingers quite a bit where the BYP and Japan image appear relatively flat... (albeit the image is too grainy to actually make out detail)...
Rings move from hand to hand with ease... ring finger to ring finger? I find that one hand is usually larger than the other and rings on certain fingers fit others when switched....
Is there something special about wearing a wedding ring on the RIGHT hand? A Russian thing?
In any case... I think the attached collage shows that the man arrested and fingerprinted has hands much larger and slender than what is shown in the BYP. (btw - I used the image Lamson linked to for my BYP) And gives more credibility to the notion the face don't match the body's features.
NO ONE EVER claimed that LHO had the last digits of his right hand's fingers cut off! Stop looking for insane things, please! His fingers were chopped off by the conspirators who set him up. Roscoe White and others were involved in this.
Peter... the only person using the word "CUT" is you... I never wrote such a thing.
In fact, if you are claiming someone cut his fingers off in that photo, present your case. I am claiming no such thing.
Slow down and read again Peter... without all the righteous indignation...k?
The images of Oswald which are NOT challenged show long and slender fingers on boney hands...
The BYP fingers do not match... no matter how the rest of the image does or does not line up.
Deal with what I posted... not some demon in your mind about cut fingers and Roscoe White, which, is simply more evidence that these images were indeed "created"...
Where are you coming from with this anyway.... or did you simply misread?
David Josephs Wrote:Let's take a different approach...
Finding images of Oswald's hands is surprisingly difficult... What I've done is compile what I could find showing Oswald's right hand.
One of the obvious comments has been the fingers on that right hand look very short, fat and stubby on the BYP.... Yet the only image that replicates this is a very suspect image of "Oswald" in Japan....
which I venture to say is quite a stretch to conclude that is the same man as the one killed by Ruby.
In every image of Oswald being arrested... his hands/fingers are slender and large... the image at the right is of Oswald with Marina in Russia... again - slender large hands/fingers.
The 2nd image below the BYP blowup of his hand IS his right hand on the day of arrest and compares in no way to the BYP. Big knuckles... long fingers.... vs those stubby short fingers that do not taper but simply end. No pronounced knuckles... just little sausages....
Finally... the image of Oswald wearing his wedding ring on the right hand on the train.... makes sense, he was just married. If you look at the bottom right arrest photo his Marine Ring is LARGE... it sticks out away from his fingers quite a bit where the BYP and Japan image appear relatively flat... (albeit the image is too grainy to actually make out detail)...
Rings move from hand to hand with ease... ring finger to ring finger? I find that one hand is usually larger than the other and rings on certain fingers fit others when switched....
Is there something special about wearing a wedding ring on the RIGHT hand? A Russian thing?
In any case... I think the attached collage shows that the man arrested and fingerprinted has hands much larger and slender than what is shown in the BYP. (btw - I used the image Lamson linked to for my BYP) And gives more credibility to the notion the face don't match the body's features.
NO ONE EVER claimed that LHO had the last digits of his right hand's fingers cut off! Stop looking for insane things, please! His fingers were chopped off by the conspirators who set him up. Roscoe White and others were involved in this.
Peter... the only person using the word "CUT" is you... I never wrote such a thing.
In fact, if you are claiming someone cut his fingers off in that photo, present your case. I am claiming no such thing.
Slow down and read again Peter... without all the righteous indignation...k?
The images of Oswald which are NOT challenged show long and slender fingers on boney hands...
The BYP fingers do not match... no matter how the rest of the image does or does not line up.
Deal with what I posted... not some demon in your mind about cut fingers and Roscoe White, which, is simply more evidence that these images were indeed "created"...
Where are you coming from with this anyway.... or did you simply misread?
Where are YOU coming from?..I'd not use a Lamson photo no matter if it contained valid details or not. He is a Reich-wing disinfo agent par excellence [and a neo-facsist, to boot]. There are about 25-50 things 'wrong' with the BYPs and the hands are but one. It is IMO pointless 50 year on to go on about one. Look at the 'Gestalt'! They are fakes, created to set up the patsy.... Maybe you didn't mention 'cut' finger tips, but that is what one sees. On the other arm, on one set of photos one sees no elbow [not possible to recreate] and one can go on endlessly about balance, shadows, chin, chin-line, matching bodies in several hand-held photos [impossible], and more. I was adding some information, that R. White was involved in the taking and tampering with the BYP...and will reveal more details on the 50th....but that much has been clear for many decades. Yes, the BYP fingers don't match. Nothing much does...as they are faked.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
This thread is about the BYP and evidence supporting it being fake....
Most arguments AGAINST say nothing about the mismatched hands nor have I ever seen a graphic illustrate it as I posted.
I had NEVER seen the comparison of the BYP hand and the Japan Oswald... they are virtually identical... if THAT was really LEE (in Japan AND the BYP), which I believe... how does that fit your DP world
and why didn't you make THAT connection?
Peter, believe it or not... YOU are not the only one reading these things... Lurkers and guests interested in background info and visual representation of OUR foregone conclusions DESERVE a decent place to hang their hats....
Before one can contribute to the DP angle, one must be sure.. So many here dismiss skepticism as supporting the ongoing WCR fallacy.
With attitudes like yours it's no wonder "unconvinced" people shy away.... you might as well just state... "if you dont drink the kool-aid, we dont want to talk to you and/or you are simply too stupid to be bothered with.... or you're on THEIR side"
You think I'm on THEIR side cause I like to clarify a few things for those not entirely sure? Reminds me of a thread entitled: "Why do the CTs eat their young?"
Would you simply rather have whoever doesn't SEE THE LIGHT lined up and shot
or degraded as you've done here to me?
Pointless? Then dont bother commenting, find a thread you DO feel is worthwhile and have at it....
whatever you decide... do NOT put words into my mouth or posts that were never there....
and learn a little tolerance for other people's areas of interest....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Adjusting to bring the distance across the index knuckle-pinkie knuckle into 95% match, the shape and length and girth of the fingers seems quite disparate.
