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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Leon Panetta: “I’ve expressed the opinion that I believe that waterboarding is torture and that it’s wrong. More importantly, the President has expressed the same opinion. Having said that, I also believe, as the President has indicated, that those individuals who operated pursuant to a legal opinion that indicated that that was proper and legal ought not to be prosecuted or investigated.”
So, all They need is for a high-ranking government law officer to declare, in a legal opinion which can be kept secret on grounds of National Security, that Torture x or y or z is proper and legal, and Their operatives have a Get Out Of Jail card.... Forever and ever... Amen....
Hey, Jan, NOT JUST waterboarding, but whatever clandestine 'legal' opinion they invent for absolutely anything...i.e. the way the country has been run since the Second World War to today and, it seems, through Obama - continuity is just another word for 'change'. (Ya see, I have this secret legal opinion that states that.) Ha!:thefinger:
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You have to love the chutzpah don't you? What is it with these guys? Everything that was done in the name of Apartheid and everything done in the name of the Third Reich was completely legal. It doesn't make it right, fair, proper, correct, sensible, moral, ethical, just. It will end the same way.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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07-02-2009, 10:39 AM
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Magda Hassan Wrote:......It doesn't make it right, fair, proper, correct, sensible, moral, ethical, just......
You must be one of those pie-in-the-sky, bleeding-heart-'liberal', namby-pamby-socialist, malcontent, revolution-loving, one-with-the-People, progressive-troublemakers! How dare you bring up such issues as above - all obscene words in the halls and dungeons of power!
Its neo-Medievalism - get used to it! [Our new serfdom - sadly most serfs don't want to storm the 'castle'.] Moreover, remember Nixon opined that 'if the President does it, it is legal' - and I don't believe any laws have been changed nor any Supreme Court rulings rendered to contradict or thwart that sick and unconstitional idea....despite all the hand-wringing and head shaking. [Had they, Bush would have been behind bars from day 1].
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You truthers are all the same.
I love Obama and all his nifty secreted swings and slides and no looking back attitude. Right on. Onward I say!
To a "brave new world".
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
