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While our neo Corleone family government was enjoying a period of particular lawlessness it went out and wacked Gadaffi like gangsters because he was a likely target for this new government that kills those who disagree with it. Especially Israel's enemies.
I take particular exception to a black democrat who elicits votes on the promise of oppositional, progressive "change" to the previous Bush fascist regime and then turns around and furthers this evil right-wing agenda. Obama is serving the same forces, methods, and interests that killed Kennedy and is doing so under the false promise of change. How Bob Dylan could stand there and accept an award from him is beyond me. Bob might as well volunteer for his NDAA number tatoo on his forearm...
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I am not the least surprised that Dylan has accepted a trinket from the war criminal in the White House. It was entirely predictable. On both sides. Obama and Dylan are both fakes.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:While our neo Corleone family government was enjoying a period of particular lawlessness it went out and wacked Gadaffi like gangsters because he was a likely target for this new government that kills those who disagree with it. Especially Israel's enemies.
I take particular exception to a black democrat who elicits votes on the promise of oppositional, progressive "change" to the previous Bush fascist regime and then turns around and furthers this evil right-wing agenda. Obama is serving the same forces, methods, and interests that killed Kennedy and is doing so under the false promise of change. How Bob Dylan could stand there and accept an award from him is beyond me. Bob might as well volunteer for his NDAA number tatoo on his forearm...
I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him or McCain, but I do take particular exception to saying that he wacked Gadaffi, as it is quite clear that Gadhafi was killed by the Libyan revolutionaries from the city that Gadhafi's army had under siege for months, and it was act of retribution by those who hated him for what he did to their families and their city.
I also recently heard an interview with the lead guitarist of an underground band from Iran who said he was inspired by Dylan, who didn't accept America's highest civilian award from Obama, he accepted it from the President of the United States.
Those who have a bug up their butt about Israel and Jews can't seem to keep it to themselves.
You don't know what's happening here, do you, Mister Doyle?
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Bill Kelly Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:While our neo Corleone family government was enjoying a period of particular lawlessness it went out and wacked Gadaffi like gangsters because he was a likely target for this new government that kills those who disagree with it. Especially Israel's enemies.
I take particular exception to a black democrat who elicits votes on the promise of oppositional, progressive "change" to the previous Bush fascist regime and then turns around and furthers this evil right-wing agenda. Obama is serving the same forces, methods, and interests that killed Kennedy and is doing so under the false promise of change. How Bob Dylan could stand there and accept an award from him is beyond me. Bob might as well volunteer for his NDAA number tatoo on his forearm...
I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him or McCain, but I do take particular exception to saying that he wacked Gadaffi, as it is quite clear that Gadhafi was killed by the Libyan revolutionaries from the city that Gadhafi's army had under siege for months, and it was act of retribution by those who hated him for what he did to their families and their city.
I also recently heard an interview with the lead guitarist of an underground band from Iran who said he was inspired by Dylan, who didn't accept America's highest civilian award from Obama, he accepted it from the President of the United States.
Those who have a bug up their butt about Israel and Jews can't seem to keep it to themselves.
You don't know what's happening here, do you, Mister Doyle?
BK But those Libyan revolutionaries seem to speak Spanish with a Columbian accent. The death squads in Columbia must have run out of unionists and nuns to kill for a time so they were contracted to go to Libya. I've posted about this on the Libya thread. So, while it may be the thing to out source the killers and assassins these days Obama and co bare the responsibility. Of course the UK France and Italy were also deeply involved in the Libya adventure and carry the same responsibility for the most of crimes committed there.
I just can't see Pete Seger and Joan Baez accepting a prize from the Master of War. But then they are people of integrity
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Magda Hassan Wrote:I just can't see Pete Seger and Joan Baez accepting a prize from the Master of War. But then they are people of integrity
As a footnote in passing, Joan Baez's sister Mimi was married to writer and folksinger Richard Farina.
The Richard and Mimi Farina website is here.
Thomas Pynchon was a Cornell classmate of Richard Farina, and as the "Richard and Mimi" website states:
Quote:"Thomas Pynchon has written warmly of his friendship with Fariña in the 1983 edition of Been Down So Long. He was best man at Fariña's wedding with Mimi and a pallbearer at his funeral.
He dedicated his greatest novel, Gravity's Rainbow, "To Richard Fariña."
On April 30, 1966, Richard Farina was a passenger on a motorcycle which crashed in Carmel Valley, killing him instantly.
Joan Baez's song, "Sweet Sir Galahad", commemorates Fariña's death, the grieving of his widow Mimi, and Mimi's eventual recovery and remarriage.
Yes, these are people of integrity.
Not Dylan.
Not Obama.
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:I just can't see Pete Seger and Joan Baez accepting a prize from the Master of War. But then they are people of integrity
As a footnote in passing, Joan Baez's sister Mimi was married to writer and folksinger Richard Farina.
The Richard and Mimi Farina website is here.
Thomas Pynchon was a Cornell classmate of Richard Farina, and as the "Richard and Mimi" website states:
Quote:"Thomas Pynchon has written warmly of his friendship with Fariña in the 1983 edition of Been Down So Long. He was best man at Fariña's wedding with Mimi and a pallbearer at his funeral.
He dedicated his greatest novel, Gravity's Rainbow, "To Richard Fariña."
On April 30, 1966, Richard Farina was a passenger on a motorcycle which crashed in Carmel Valley, killing him instantly.
Joan Baez's song, "Sweet Sir Galahad", commemorates Fariña's death, the grieving of his widow Mimi, and Mimi's eventual recovery and remarriage.
Yes, these are people of integrity.
Not Dylan.
Not Obama.
Not disagreeing with any of the above. Just a personal observation that Dylan changed. In my mind there were two. Some think mind-control; others just think he wigged-out on his own. Early Dylan lyrics were powerful and for a brief time he was lovers with Baez. That ended, and is forever immortalized in one of Baez's songs. After a ong period of silence later in his career Dylan re-emerged a 'Christian' and changed in oh so many ways. This new 'Christian' and more conservative Dylan would certainly, and did, take a trophy from the current front for the Oligarchy in Chief. The old Dylan, I think not. But, the 'old Dylan' is gone except in our memories. Baez and Farina were always leaps and bounds beyond even the old Dylan...but the old Dylan was on the correct side of history.....until something changed him......
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