Gordon Novel dies....

[Peter Lemkin]

Peter I have no clue what the problem is, I have attempted to download this version of Adobe several times and it goes thru all the motions but then does not allow. I don't have firefox. I can do youtube w/o problem, just not this. So no I did not view it. Am working today but taking little breaks to come here but no time to mess with this.

Dawn, from what you write I can't diagnose why you are having problems. I don't know what web browser you use - but suggest you add the free Firefox, which is independent of the Borg. There are then several add-ons to Firefox for downloading videos - but viewing should be straightforward.

[Peter Lemkin]

Project Camelot is not my idea of an investigative anything. Along with you Lauren, I don't believe the CIA are white hats - quite the opposite. At the same time, Novel seems to understand the concept and difference between good and evil [at least in theory] and here amazingly espouses peace, renewable and sustainable energy, says that the Patriot Act is a fascist document, and other such 'enlightened' ideas. What a contradiction he was! I never met him, but do know someone who often had him over to their home...a story i plan to put on this thread when I have the energy. I can only guess that in his later years he had to psychologically dissociate himself from the evil he was connected to and a part of earlier in his life. I must say, he didn't do it in a rational way. Also, I'm not inclined to believe most of what he says about anti-gravity propulsion in his group's hands or in MJ-12s et al. I wish it were true and do believe it is theoretically - but way, way beyond our technological and conceptual grasp at this time. I know some others here on the Forum believe otherwise...so be it. As that interview was just about six years ago and he looks fit as a fiddle in it, I wonder what he died of....although anyone can have a heart attack at any time....in his son's brief announcement of his father's death he says he died in a nursing home....indicating either a collapse of his physical or mental health before death.

My reference to the white hats is actually something specific. The White Hats are members of a cabal who oppose the status quo of the permanent war oil based culture. The favor the UFO sourced free energy technology and all the transformation of cuture that would come with it. The conflict takes place in the highest levels of the military and intelligence circles. There are two futures: one leads to population reduction and mass slavery. There other leads to a world of human self actualization and spriritual evolution. Two names: David Wilcock and Ben Fulford.

As much as GN may have undergone drastic and positive changes, his profile is one we have seen before here. A spook who is involved in the usual New Age stuff. He strikes me as someone who was a part of the Hall of Mirrors.

I suppose there are good [or better] people, along with the bad in such agencies/entities as the CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, DEA etc. We have all witnessed good people who have left these and others like them in disgust and who became whistleblowers...and often paid a high price for that. There are also false-defectors. It is my impression both from what we can observe indirectly and from the outcomes in society and the World which are, I believe, self-evident, that the white-hats sadly are greatly outnumbered or out-manouvered by the black hats. It is a very sad situation we now are witness to. A few more years in 'this direction' and I see no hope for the World polity nor the Planet's species for longterm survival - and a very unhappy ending. But, it is not YET too late...just very late! Sadly, I suppose that most in those agencies, as in society [any you care to choose] are mostly passive and not looking to be on the good or evil side....just trying to make a living and stay out of harm's way. Sadly, we no longer have the luxury of being neutral on this out of control 'train'....one either works to stop it from crashing....or....well the endpoint is obvious to me and not far into the future, I'm afraid.

As for GN, it is hard to tell why he changed on some things and not on others - and how sincere he was on any of them. He certainly wore a black hat IMHO for the greater part of his life. If, near the end of it he adopted some more progressive ideas and plans, that is to the good...but to not have admitted his past association and participation with evil was not. He certainly could have helped untangle many a Gordian Knot...but did not even try. To his credit he stated the UnPatriot Act as fascist and 911 as an inside and false-flag job. However, that 'nice' guy rubbing his beard also threatened Jack White and others for suggesting he might have been TUM......:joystick: He certainly did great harm to Garrison and if he was TUM....well he was signaling to the shooters to either start or stop. Security for Khosshogi was no great white hat, nor was any of his work for any Presidents he worked for, nor their intelligence and black ops agencies. It will be interesting to see if after his death any more about what he did or didn't do comes out......

Certainly his film never came out, let alone the planned anti-gravity/time engines. I do know for a personal fact that he was in contact with very highly placed and expert developers of aerospace technology....one of whom I knew and at who's home GN often was a guest. This very same aerospace mogul came to at least one JFK convention in Dallas [where I made his acquaintance] under a false name. He later revealed to me his real name and his bona fides......a strange and long tale I'll likely tell some day [and likely pay dearly for telling!]

[Lauren Johnson]

I'm more than a bit surprised that no one has commented in any way on the video I posted of Novel covering a universe of topics......
has no one seen it, or has no one any comments. He, IMHO, mixes truths with lies and distortions; at times he is straightforward and at times dissembling and evasive. The range of topics is both interesting, immense and odd no doubt. He seems to have 'changed' in some good ways over the years and in some ways remained the same. I do urge people to watch the first one [long version] or if short on time the second [shorter interview not covering all of the same materials]. He was an interesting character!....as was David Ferrie and many others cast in the roles those two were....

I cannot view it Peter. And when I try to download this feature it won't work. Further Erick has told me that when he had it it caused all sorts of problems on his computer.

Dawn

Dawn, these are just YouTube videos. The only problem I know with them is that Apple no longer allows YouTubes on their operating systems. Are you using a Mac? Maybe that's it.

[Dawn Meredith]

I'm more than a bit surprised that no one has commented in any way on the video I posted of Novel covering a universe of topics......
has no one seen it, or has no one any comments. He, IMHO, mixes truths with lies and distortions; at times he is straightforward and at times dissembling and evasive. The range of topics is both interesting, immense and odd no doubt. He seems to have 'changed' in some good ways over the years and in some ways remained the same. I do urge people to watch the first one [long version] or if short on time the second [shorter interview not covering all of the same materials]. He was an interesting character!....as was David Ferrie and many others cast in the roles those two were....

I cannot view it Peter. And when I try to download this feature it won't work. Further Erick has told me that when he had it it caused all sorts of problems on his computer.

Dawn

Dawn, these are just YouTube videos. The only problem I know with them is that Apple no longer allows YouTubes on their operating systems. Are you using a Mac? Maybe that's it.

No I have a dell. I can watch you tube fine. But when I try to watch these or click on assistance I get a message that my brouser does not support this. As I said I have tried to download it to no avail several times. So now I just ignore it. I have internet explorer for most everything except facebook and the Ed forum. I was having a big problem on facebook with the screen freezing up so a friend downloaded Chrome for that and I have not had a problem since. I am NOT a technical person...So I will wait til my friend gets back to Austin and maybe he can solve the problem. He is a natural with computers. I am very far from it.
People giving me advice does zero good. I appreciate it, but...let's get back to the topic of the thread. The advice is lost on me. I am hopeless.

[Peter Lemkin]

I'm more than a bit surprised that no one has commented in any way on the video I posted of Novel covering a universe of topics......
has no one seen it, or has no one any comments. He, IMHO, mixes truths with lies and distortions; at times he is straightforward and at times dissembling and evasive. The range of topics is both interesting, immense and odd no doubt. He seems to have 'changed' in some good ways over the years and in some ways remained the same. I do urge people to watch the first one [long version] or if short on time the second [shorter interview not covering all of the same materials]. He was an interesting character!....as was David Ferrie and many others cast in the roles those two were....

I cannot view it Peter. And when I try to download this feature it won't work. Further Erick has told me that when he had it it caused all sorts of problems on his computer.

Dawn

Dawn, these are just YouTube videos. The only problem I know with them is that Apple no longer allows YouTubes on their operating systems. Are you using a Mac? Maybe that's it.

No I have a dell. I can watch you tube fine. But when I try to watch these or click on assistance I get a message that my brouser does not support this. As I said I have tried to download it to no avail several times. So now I just ignore it. I have internet explorer for most everything except facebook and the Ed forum. I was having a big problem on facebook with the screen freezing up so a friend downloaded Chrome for that and I have not had a problem since. I am NOT a technical person...So I will wait til my friend gets back to Austin and maybe he can solve the problem. He is a natural with computers. I am very far from it.
People giving me advice does zero good. I appreciate it, but...let's get back to the topic of the thread. The advice is lost on me. I am hopeless.

Just install the free Firefox and then if you want to download from there look for add-ons under download. Some are specific for YouTube, others are for any and all videos. Simply type Firefox download into a search engine; download; install; under 'tools' click add-ons and enter 'download' and choose a few. Delete any that don't work well and keep those that do. I use flash video downloader, myself. I think using internet explorer is a mistake for many reasons.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm more than a bit surprised that no one has commented in any way on the video I posted of Novel covering a universe of topics......
has no one seen it, or has no one any comments. He, IMHO, mixes truths with lies and distortions; at times he is straightforward and at times dissembling and evasive. The range of topics is both interesting, immense and odd no doubt.

Hi there Peter, mind if I toss my hat in the ring a couple of years late? The quote above can easily be used to describe co-founder of Project Camelot Bill Ryan, and since then the owner of one his other "projects" The Project Avalon Forum. Two of the reasons for his/their "interviews" would have been to help the continued spread disinformation, and to salvage his sunken reputation from being the main purveyor of yet another project of his, Project Serpo. Project Serpo went up in flames in early 2006 not long before the Gordon Novel interview, having been discovered to be (at least mostly) a steaming pile of bullshit attempting to revive the MJ-12 "core story" meme.

When one of the boys runs into trouble help is surely on the way, and Ryan certainly got that help right on cue with the ever so sudden rising star of Project Camelot. True whistleblowers don't just start dropping out of the sky yearning to be interviewed, or even around, one who has been so recently discredited.

Opinions abound, but this is a very well researched opinion.