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I'm fairly certain from the videos there was a smoke-causing event prior to the oscilloscope booms. It may have even preceeded the Penthouse collapse meaning it could have been the event that led to the East Penthouse collapse.
There's a simple thing here. If you continue the oscilloscope analysis with the entire Banfield video, including the main building collapse, and there's no "booms" during that collapse, then the booms aren't falling floors.
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Albert, I would like you, Lauren, and Peter to continue this oscilloscope analysis you describe.
The parallel to the great breakthrough in the Dealey Dictabelt and Ambassador Pantry acoustic analyses is dramatic and promising.
I stipulate the event was long in preparation and ripples out through all strata through this moment as the NSA facility opens in Utah.
Attention is correctly given to FBI lying in OKCBomb, TWA 800, O'Neill's crucifixion, Rowley's retaliation by Mueller who was re-upped by the Master of Opacity.
Regarding personal attacks--Jeffrey, if the senators had valid arguments they'd've kept their daggers sheathed.
We are not discussing an accident where the driver dropped the cell phone and veered across lanes, medians, baby carriages.
This is the world in the hands of the sponsors, their facilitators and mechanics.
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Quote:Nothing I have proposed defies evidence of physics. To the contrary it is based ON physics, engineering (applied physics) and the mappings/observations of the movements seen... and the rubble found. Physics tells us that the columns could not be crushed. And they weren't... the frame broke at the weakest points - the joints and splices which were bolted together... when subjected to excessive lateral forces and the structure's materials and their loads were disengaged from their load paths... and were free to act (gravity and F=MA) on the frame's joints
Mr Orling,
What you propose specifally defies physics.
For the Towers to have fallen at free fall speeds the RESISTENCE of MATERIALS BELOW any falling debris has to be ZERO.. They too mst be falling, for in YOUR theory things just come apart, yet wind up landing within a very small area in a very short period of time...
You can't have extremely high frictional temperatures and NO RESISTENCE and the same time... Friction = resistence = time
and according to every analysis of the event, except NIST, the building fell as if the core columns and every other supporting structure was gone BEFORE they were encounter in the fall... even a fraction of a second per floor for resistence would have DOUBLED THE FALL TIME...
So I am interested in understanding how two buildings with 250,000 tones of material each, simply
Got out of it's own way... if nothing stuck these building below the 70th floor
and how Marble is exploded from walls 70 plus stories BELOW the action...
Thanks
DJ
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28-10-2012, 07:02 PM
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David Josephs Wrote:Quote:Nothing I have proposed defies evidence of physics. To the contrary it is based ON physics, engineering (applied physics) and the mappings/observations of the movements seen... and the rubble found. Physics tells us that the columns could not be crushed. And they weren't... the frame broke at the weakest points - the joints and splices which were bolted together... when subjected to excessive lateral forces and the structure's materials and their loads were disengaged from their load paths... and were free to act (gravity and F=MA) on the frame's joints
Mr Orling,
What you propose specifally defies physics.
For the Towers to have fallen at free fall speeds the RESISTENCE of MATERIALS BELOW any falling debris has to be ZERO.. They too mst be falling, for in YOUR theory things just come apart, yet wind up landing within a very small area in a very short period of time...
You can't have extremely high frictional temperatures and NO RESISTENCE and the same time... Friction = resistence = time
and according to every analysis of the event, except NIST, the building fell as if the core columns and every other supporting structure was gone BEFORE they were encounter in the fall... even a fraction of a second per floor for resistence would have DOUBLED THE FALL TIME...
So I am interested in understanding how two buildings with 250,000 tones of material each, simply
Got out of it's own way... if nothing stuck these building below the 70th floor
and how Marble is exploded from walls 70 plus stories BELOW the action...
Thanks
DJ JO seemingly has left us [hopefully forever] to either lick his wounds or get his new standing orders.....
NB - your analysis of JO's illogical and unscientific 'theory' is very good.....but he doesn't and never has cared about physics nor logic...its all about maintaining the 'current order', if you get my drift - the only question is if JO is aware of this or not...I think he is.....IMHO
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:Quote:Nothing I have proposed defies evidence of physics. To the contrary it is based ON physics, engineering (applied physics) and the mappings/observations of the movements seen... and the rubble found. Physics tells us that the columns could not be crushed. And they weren't... the frame broke at the weakest points - the joints and splices which were bolted together... when subjected to excessive lateral forces and the structure's materials and their loads were disengaged from their load paths... and were free to act (gravity and F=MA) on the frame's joints
Mr Orling,
What you propose specifally defies physics.
For the Towers to have fallen at free fall speeds the RESISTENCE of MATERIALS BELOW any falling debris has to be ZERO.. They too mst be falling, for in YOUR theory things just come apart, yet wind up landing within a very small area in a very short period of time...
You can't have extremely high frictional temperatures and NO RESISTENCE and the same time... Friction = resistence = time
and according to every analysis of the event, except NIST, the building fell as if the core columns and every other supporting structure was gone BEFORE they were encounter in the fall... even a fraction of a second per floor for resistence would have DOUBLED THE FALL TIME...
So I am interested in understanding how two buildings with 250,000 tones of material each, simply
Got out of it's own way... if nothing stuck these building below the 70th floor
and how Marble is exploded from walls 70 plus stories BELOW the action...
Thanks
DJ JO seemingly has left us [hopefully forever] to either lick his wounds or get his new standing orders.....
NB - your analysis of JO's illogical and unscientific 'theory' is very good.....but he doesn't and never has cared about physics nor logic...its all about maintaining the 'current order', if you get my drift - the only question is if JO is aware of this or not...I think he is.....IMHO
NB? you referring to me Peter?
JO destroys his own conclusions with the FRICTION argument... Can't have friction without resistance and resistance = time...
There is nothing in physics that can explain free fall speeds with 70+ floors standing between what is falling and the ground. Nothing.
Once he asserts that heat caused by friction melts everything in sight - he has lost his argument.
Furthermore, there is also nothing in physics that can explain the pulverization of the concrete and the complete evaporation of all the water within this concrete.
The heat generated and conducted within the steel by a directed nuclear device, with nano-thermite to accellerate the burning and explosives to help remove other supporting structures
and DOWN they went...
Cheers Peter
DJ
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Quote:a directed nuclear device
Care to say more? We are talking as in Judy Woods are we?
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David,
Marble wasn't exploded from the walls. There were explosions from electrical gear caused by shorts which were the result of the plane severing the 13.8kv risers. The marble panels fell of their clips likely from vrbrations.
Perhaps you have no experience with stone crushers or tumblers... where massive rocks, bolders and such aggitate will grind themselves into dust.
All mecahnical distruction of crystaline or solid materials releases heat ... sawing, grinding, sanding and so forth. The suggested explanation of explosions was simply not seem in the entirety of the towers... Even Harrit noted that to explode the floors woudl require 160 tons per floor. He sort of undermines the NT these of destruction... assuming it could be placed uniformly over 100 acres of flooring with no one observering this. Or perhaps you have another explanation which matches the observations and honors the laws of thermodynamics (which I doubt you understand).
Your turn.
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The dishonorable man who attempted to smear my good name and who gave us his word that he was leaving DPF forever now returns.
Caveat lector: You cannot believe a single word written by Geoffrey Orling.
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Charles Drago Wrote:Caveat lector: You cannot believe a single word written by Geoffrey Orling.
Never have. Never will.
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Charles this has nothing to do with honor.
I only commented because the content of a post I wrote was criticized... and of course Mr Lemkin chimed in with his usual ad homs.
My honor is not an issue. And I am not an agent of any one or any organization and express my own thoughts and work.
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