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Israel ground war in Egypt?
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"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#12

Israeli Negotiator: Hamas Commander Was Assassinated Hours After Receiving Truce Deal from Israel





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Israel broke an informal ceasefire on Wednesday by assassinating Hamas military commander Ahmed Jabari in an air strike. The Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate talks between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, has revealed Jabari was assassinated just hours after he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire. Baskin, the founder of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, joins us from Jerusalem. We also speak with Palestinian journalist Mohammed Omer based in Gaza. [includes rush transcript]

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Gershon Baskin, founder of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information. He was the initiator of the secret talks between Israel and Hamas for the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.

Mohammed Omer, Palestinian journalist based in Gaza. In 2008, he won the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism.
AMY GOODMAN: I'm looking at a piece by Max Fisher in the Washington Postthat talks about the killing of the 11-month-old son of BBC journalist Jihad Misharawi. Not only was his little baby killed, but this Israeli round hit Misharawi's four-room house, killing his sister-in-law, wounding his brother. According to BBCMiddle East bureau chief Paul Danahar, who was with him in Gaza, he said, "We're all one team in Gaza." After spending a few hours with his grieving colleague, Danahar wrote on Twitter, "Questioned asked here is: if Israel can kill a man riding on a moving motorbike (as they did last month) how did Jihad's son get killed."
I want to turn, as well, to Gershon Baskin now, founder of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, the initiator of the secret talks between Israel and Hamas for the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. He is speaking to us from Jerusalem.
Gershon, can you talk about the assassination of Jabari, the military head of Hamas, and the significance of this, as reported in Ha'aretz, what Jabari received just before he was assassinated?
GERSHON BASKIN: Well, Jabari, as the leader of the military wing of Hamas, Izz al-Din al-Qassam, was the person who was called on by the Egyptians and by his own leaders to enforce previous ceasefire understandings that were reached between Israel and Hamas after each round of rocket fire emerged over the past years. With the increasing intensity of the rocket fire and the shortening of the periods of ceasefires between myself and my counterpart in Hamaswe worked together on the Shalit prisoner exchange dealRazi Hamed, the deputy foreign minister, proposed to the parties that they enter into a long-term ceasefire understanding with mechanisms that define what are breaches and what are not breaches and how to deal with emerging situations that are defined by Israel as impending terrorist attacks. I had written a draft about eight months ago. The draft was circulated around to Israeli officials, Hamas officials, the Egyptian intelligence and the United Nations. It was rejected, or it was decided by Hamas and Israel at that time not to decide, not to make a decision on it.
About about a month ago, when the intensity of the fighting continued again, Razi Hamed and I decided to give it another chance, and we talked together and tried to make the proposal that I had initially written a little bit less complex, easier to understand or perhaps easier to implement, and it was also designed as a trial period of between sixthree to six months. I met Razi Hamed last week in Cairo. We talked about it. He went to begin showing it to the Hamas officials. He showed it to some Hamas officials sitting in Cairo. They told him to go back to Gaza and to show it to the military and political officials back in Gaza, and he did that on Wednesday morning. He was showing it around to Ahmed Jabari and other people. I was supposed to receive from him that evening a copy of the draft that he had written in Arabic for me to deliver to the Israeli side and to the Egyptian intelligence, which I was not able to do in the end.
AMY GOODMAN: Because he was assassinated.
GERSHON BASKIN: That's right.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Well, Gershon, I want to read part of a recent piece in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz about the Israeli assassination of Hamas military commander Ahmed Jabari. The article by Aluf Benn is titled "Israel Killed Its Subcontractor in Gaza." It begins, quote, "Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as 'an arch-terrorist,' [or] 'the terror chief of staff' or 'our Bin Laden.'
"But that was the reality for the past five and a half years. Israel demanded of Hamas that it observe the truce in the south and enforce it on the [multiplicity of] armed [organizations] in the Gaza Strip. The man responsible for carrying out this policy was Ahmed Jabari.
"In return for enforcing the quiet, which was never perfect, Israel funded the Hamas regime through the flow of [shekels] in armored trucks to banks in Gaza, and continued to supply infrastructure and medical services to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip."
Your response to that article and placing Jabari in the context of the security situation in Gaza over the past few years?
GERSHON BASKIN: Well, I don't want it to be misinterpreted. Ahmed Jabari was not a man of peace. He was not an angel in any way. He was a warrior. He was a fighter. He was the person responsible for the Hamas coup d'état, which was conducted in June of 2007 when they brutally executed some of the Palestinian Authority security personnel. He was a strong military man who refused to speak to Israelis directly. I never had direct contact with him; it was always through third parties, other people in Hamas or other people. He never talked about peace. The truce that we were talking about was not a peace agreement. So it has to be clear: Jabari was a deeply religious Muslim who believed in the cause of Hamas and the ideology of Hamas, which includes the destruction of Israel.
But Jabari also saw, over the last year or two, a continuation of this policy of having periodic fighting with Israel that left always, in every round, between 10 and 30 Palestinians killed in Gaza, a lot of destruction, and almost no one killed in Israel. The lack of balance of power and force is sois so obvious here that Jabari came to the conclusion, along with others in Hamas, that this was futile, a futile way to fight Israel, and they wanted a time-out. During the time-out, it was obvious that they were going to continue to build their forces, continue to smuggle in weapons through the tunnels and other ways to build up their rocket potential, longer-range rockets, anti-aircraft missiles. So this was Jabari's thinking.
Now, my perspective on this was that Israel had to secure quiet. It is unacceptable for the civilian population in the south of Israel to be constantly under the threat of rocket fire from Gaza. There are several ways to achieve that quiet. One is to do what Israel is doing now: to assassinate people, to put two-and-a-half million people in1.6 million people in Gaza under rocket fire, to put another million people in Israel under rocket fire. To kill a lot of people, to do a lot of damage, in the end will create some kind of deterrence and have quiet for a period of time. Or we could try what we've never tried before, and that's engagement, dialogue and trying to reach some longer-term understandings. I don't know if it would have worked. Honestly, I don't know if Jabari would have held to the terms of the agreements or if the other factions would have given into that. My point was: Let's try it. We've never done it before. Let's try it. Maybe will have a dynamic of its own, which, instead of leading to more escalation, will actually bring about de-escalation and a possibility of having a new kind of relationship with Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: Gershon Baskin and Mohammed Omer, I want to ask you both, the response where you each are, respectively, to these attacks right now, Gershon Baskin in Jerusalem and Mohammed Omer on his way to Khan Younis.
GERSHON BASKIN: Tafaddal, Mohammed.
MOHAMMED OMER: Yeah, shukran. Well, there is also more of this attack, just to bring more breaking news. The Israeli air strike just targeted a motorcycle in the west of Gaza City at the moment, as we speak. And ambulances are on their way to evacuate the people who were targeted. There is another new Israeli F-16 missile. We don't know if it's F-16 missile or if it's the armed drones which fired a new round of missiles on the northern part of the Gaza Strip.
Let me just mention something aboutback to the humanitarian situation. Today, the Egyptian prime minister made a visit to the Gaza Strip, Hisham Kandil, and he was able to see the destruction and the damage caused to the Palestinian population. And he was at Shifa Hospital holding one of the babies who was injured. And we could see that the prime minister, his T-shirt had a lot of blood on hisfrom this child who was injured, who actually died in the hands of the Egyptian prime minister today as he was speaking to the media.
Other thing that I would like to mention here about the crossings in the Gaza Strip, the Rafah Crossing is open today. Kerem Shalom is closed. Erez Crossing was open in the morning; now it's closed even for humanitarian cases. According to the United Nations and according to my observation and counting, there is 12 houses that were completely demolished in the last three days. About 150 houses, including mosques, roads, schools and farmlands, are being targetedeven kindergarten for children. Begs the question: Where the Gazans are going to hide when the Israeli F-16s are firing missiles day and night?
AMY GOODMAN: And Gershon Baskin?
GERSHON BASKIN: Yeah, I think, Amy, I mean, it's the same situation in Israel. I have an iPhone application here which is called Seva Adom, Red Color, the Color Red, which warns people when a missile is being fired into Israel. I'm getting these now almost every other minute. It's very good for geography lessons, because I'm learning the name of every town in the south of Israelnot only in the south, it's a wider region now, as well. And here we have the civilian population under fire; it's not targeted at all at military targets. It's fired at the civilian population in Israel, and the Israelis are angry.
The Israelis don't know why they're being targeted from Gaza. From the Israel point of view, the Israeli point of view, the Israeli understanding of the situation, Israel left Gaza in 2005 and stopped the occupation of Gaza, from their perspective, without having a single settlement left there or single military personnel on the land of Gaza. And the civilian population has been targeted by thousands and thousands of rockets since the beginning of this operation. Since the assassination of Jabari, there's been more than 500 rockets sent entirely on the civilian population. Not one of the targets is a military target.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Well, Gershon Baskin, I'd like to ask you, four years ago, after the presidential election and before President Obama was inaugurated, the Israeli government launched an invasion of Gaza and actually pulled the troops back just before President Obama was inaugurated. Now, once again, after a presidential election, the Israeli government has begun taking actions inagainst the population in Gaza. But the difference now is the situation has changed dramatically in the Arab world, especially in Egypt. Do youwhat do youwhat is your sense of the Egyptian government'sthe test that this poses to the Egyptian government in its relationship both to Israel and to the Palestinians?
GERSHON BASKIN: Well, I think we're seeing, by the nature of the operation that Israel is conducting now, as opposed to Cast Lead four years ago, is that Israel is taking a lot more care for thewhat's called, the horrible term, "collateral damage" to be a lot less. If there's been, according to Mohammed, 500 sorties so far over Gaza, and there are 23, maybe 24, of the people that he mentioned killed in Gaza, that's significantly, significantly less than was in Cast Lead. My understanding isand I haven't seen the list of names of all those people killed, but I understand that most of them are combatants.
I don't want anyone to be killed, and I think that this whole operation could have been avoided. But the reality is that Israel is considering its relations with Egypt as one of its primary concerns. The Egyptian military intelligence has played a crucial role in the last years mitigating and negotiating between Israel and Hamas, including with the release of Gilad Shalit and including in the last ceasefires. I was sitting in Cairo with a senior intelligence officer on Sunday evening when he received a phone call from the head of Islamic Jihad in Gaza, informing him that they had agreed to enter into the ceasefire. This was immediately communicated to the Israeli side by the military intelligence in Egypt. So, the relationship with Egypt is Israel's most important strategic asset. And another war, a full-fledged war in Gaza, with horrendous damage, would certainly jeopardize the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.
AMY GOODMAN: We just have 10 seconds left, Mohammed Omer. Are you still
MOHAMMED OMER: The majority of the people who were actually targeted are civilians. We're talking about two women among the 23 who were killedtwo women, six children and two elderly people. As I speak right now, there are more people, and ambulances are arriving to the Khan Younis hospital with more casualties who are civilians. The target is here civilians. Because the military leaders are hiding under the ground, Israel finds nothing else but to attack civilian population in the Gaza Strip.
AMY GOODMAN: Mohammed Omer and Gershon Baskin, I thank you both for being with us. Gershon Baskin, founder of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, initiator of the secret talks between Israel and Hamas for the release of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. And thank you to Mohammed Omer, Palestinian journalist based in Gaza, speaking to us from Khan Younis. In 2008, he won the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism.






"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
Mark Stapleton Wrote:How could Israel be implicated in the JFK assassination? They're so nice.
Brilliant logic there Mark. Not. Yeah, and all the other countries are just like Mary Poppins. Ask the First Nation people how sweet and thoughtful the settlers and US cavalry were.

Referring to past injustices doesn't justify Israel's behaviour.

I think Tony Judt's recent comment that Israel is fast losing touch with reality is on the mark.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/...srael.html
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#14
A nice diversion from the internal problems and contradiction with in Israel. Not to mention Syria....Lebanon....
Quote:Israel approves 75,000 troops for possible Gaza ground operation



Published: 17 November, 2012, 01:54
The Israeli Cabinet has authorized the call-up of 75,000 reserve troops as the air assault against Gaza intensifies, and amid growing speculation a ground invasion is imminent.[Image: soldiers-israeli.n.jpg]


Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet approval was made just hours after a request from the Defense Minister to call-up a record 75,000 reserve troops, Haaretz reports. During Operation Cast Lead' in 2008, Israel mobilized some 10,000 reserves in preparation for the ground incursion.
The Israeli government had already given its approval to ready 30,000 reserve troops on Thursday, 16,000 of which have already been mobilized.
The Israeli Defense Force has been intensifying its airstrikes on the Gaza Strip amid growing speculation this will be followed by a ground incursion.
So at least 29 Palestinians have been killed, seven of whom were children. Three Israelis have reportedly been killed by Hamas missiles.
The IDF also confirmed on Friday that it targeted two senior Hamas operatives: Muhammad Abu-Jalal, Company Commander in central Gaza and Khaled Shah'yer, chief missile operator. The results of those strikes have not been confirmed.
Meanwhile, at least three rockets launched from Gaza fell on the Jerusalem area. The first time the city has come under air attack in decades.
https://rt.com/news/israel-cabinet-appro...vists-912/
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#15
A ground invasion of Gaza would play into the hands of Israel's enemies, namely almost every other country in the region.

Israel is a failed state. They're incapable of peaceful coexistence with their neighbours. Israel's greed and cruelty, underpinned by a supremicist religion, make it impossible.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
The Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate talks between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, has revealed Jabari was assassinated just hours after he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire.

Maybe it also included the RFID chip for the missile to locate it.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#17
Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases, leaks email addresses and passwords



Emil Protalinski
17 November 2012

When the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) this week began taking military action in the Gaza strip against Hamas (as the IDF announced on Twitter), Anonymous declared its own war as part of #OpIsrael. Among the casualties are thousands of email addresses and passwords, hundreds of Israeli web sites, government-owned as well as privately owned pages, as well as databases belonging to the Bank of Jerusalem and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs database has been deleted |mashav.mfa.gov.il | #[B]OpIsrael[/B]
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[B][B][B][B][Image: 258844_104131489680984_104118713015595_3...ormal.jpeg][B]Anonymous@YourAnonNews[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B]Bank of Jerusalem database has been deleted | bankjerusalem.co.il| #[B]OpIsrael #[B]Anonymous[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B]17 Nov 12 [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B]While the hacktivist group doesn't appear to be anywhere near satisfied yet, the YourAnonNewsaccount, which has over 686,000 followers, did just send out this message:[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][Image: 258844_104131489680984_104118713015595_3...ormal.jpeg][B]Anonymous@YourAnonNews[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Israel, all your base are belong to us.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]17 Nov 12 [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]If that's not a declaration of success, I don't know what is. There have so far been hundreds of takedowns of sites by Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks; one Pastebin trying to list them all includes 659 web sites.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Another AnonPaste includes 2,004 email addresses, the majority of which appear to have corresponding passwords, allegedly stolen from an MySQL database belonging to dirotmodiin.co.il, a site for finding real estate in Israel. Many of them are hosted on Israeli domains, but there are also the usual Gmail, Hotmail, and Yahoo accounts.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Yet as already mentioned, we're talking about more than just DDoS attacks that are overloading web sites, such as tel-aviv.gov.il, the municipal site for the second most populous city in Israel (after Jerusalem). There are also plenty of defacements, and, as of a few minutes ago, databases have also been wiped.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]While the Israeli government almost certainly has backups of their databases, these attacks as well as the defacements show Anonymous isn't just doing its usual spree of overloading target sites. OpIsrael appears to have gotten multiple hackers involved who are interested in doing actual damage, or at least something that is slightly more permanent than just a 404.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Update at 8:20PM EST: The Twitter account is now claiming that over 9,000 sites have been taken down or defaced, but don't be fooled: this is a meme reference.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][Image: 258844_104131489680984_104118713015595_3...ormal.jpeg][B]Anonymous@YourAnonNews[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Yes, over 9,000 websites are down or defaced right now for#[B]OpIsrael. RT @[B]Shaved_Llama: @[B]YourAnonNews ITS OVER 9000![/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]17 Nov 12 [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]A press release attempts to explain Anonymous' motives behind the attacks:[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]Greetings World[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]For far too long, Anonymous has stood by with the rest of the world and watched in despair the barbaric, brutal and despicable treatment of the Palestinian people in the so called "Occupied Territories" by the Israel Defense Force. Like so many around the globe, we have felt helpless in the face of such implacable evil. And today's insane attack and threatened invasion of Gaza was more of the same.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gaza they crossed a line in the sand. As the former dictator of Egypt Mubarack learned the hard way we are ANONYMOUS and NO ONE shuts down the Internet on our watch. To the IDF and government of Israel we issue you this warning only once. Do NOT shut down the Internet into the "Occupied Territories", and cease and desist from your terror upon the innocent people of Palestine or you will know the full and unbridled wrath of Anonymous. And like all the other evil governments that have faced our rage, you will NOT survive it unscathed.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]To the people of Gaza and the "Occupied Territories", know that Anonymous stands with you in this fight. We will do everything in our power to hinder the evil forces of the IDF arrayed against you. We will use all our resources to make certain you stay connected to the Internet and remain able to transmit your experiences to the world. As a start, we have put together the Anonymous Gaza Care Package http://bit.ly/XH87C5 which contains instructions in Arabic and English that can aid you in the event the Israel government makes good on it's threat to attempt to sever your Internet connection. It also contains useful information on evading IDF surveillance, and some basic first aid and other useful information. We will continue to expand and improve this document in the coming days, and we will transmit it to you by every means at our disposal. We encourage you to download this package, and to share it with your fellow Palestinians to the best of your ability.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]We will be with you. No matter how dark it may seem, no matter how alone and abandoned you may feel know that tens of thousands of us in Anonymous are with you and working tirelessly around the clock to bring you every aid and assistance that we can.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]We Are Anonymous
We Are Everywhere
We Are Legion
We Do Not Forgive
We Do Not Forget
[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]To the oppressors of the innocent Palestinian people, it is too late to EXPECT US[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]A second press release has even more to add.[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/17...passwords/

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_ _ ___ ____ ___ ____ ____ _ _____ _ _| || |_ / _ \| _ \_ _/ ___|| _ \ / \ | ____| | |_ .. _| | | | |_) | |\___ \| |_) | / _ \ | _| | | |_ _| |_| | __/| | ___) | _ < / ___ \| |___| |___ |_||_| \___/|_| |___|____/|_| \_\/_/ \_\_____|_____|Greetings from Anonymous, It has come to our attention that conservative and pro-Israeli groups throughout the blogosphere have taken advantage of Operation Israel, attempting to solidify public opinion against Anonymous. TheOtherMcCain.com posted an editorial this morning which stated the following: "If you ever doubted that Anonymous was a terrorist organization, they have now removed all reason for doubt." The article only contained 55 words of original content by the site itself, the other 90 percent of the article was selected quotations by mainstream media sources.Let us once again be perfectly clear: Anonymous does not in any way support the use of violence. Anonymous is a world wide collective of individuals whose means pursue human rights, justice, and universal equality for the citizens of every nation. Pro-Israeli groups throughout the world have grown from a foundation of Israeli/US propaganda and lies. They arbitrarily dismiss the apartheid system of racial segregation and oppression imposed by the Israeli government on the Palestinian people. The fact of the matter is, in the eyes of the media, only the United States and it's allies are capable of labeling another state or organization as a terrorists. Throughout our campaign, we've been inundated with one response in particular; references to Hamas hiding in school buildings or using women and children as human shields. Selective memory seems to have given pro-Israeli organizations the ability to forget that in 2005 Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz appeared in court to defend the practice of using Palestinians as human shields in combat after a supreme court outlawed the practice, noting it violated International Law.The reasons for Anonymous intervention through #OpIsrael should be abundantly clear: What is happening in Palestine is oppression. They have no navy, no army, or air force. There is no war in Gaza. There is only the continuous application of military force by Israel in an attempt to push every last person out of the Palestinian state, despite international laws that make these efforts illegal. This illegal expansion of territory by Israel in to the Palestinian state has been ongoing since1948, making refugees of over 700,000 Palestinians. Today, Palestinians are not permitted to live in Israeli settlements, drive on Israeli roads or even travel is the "security" areas surrounding them. These Israeli only housing developments are being built on stolen land, even while being called illegal settlements by the International Court of Justice.The violence inflicted upon the civilian residents of Gaza is well documented, despite the fact that Israel has adamantly opposed intervention by human rights organizations and the IDF constantly blocks and harasses international journalists. Despite these facts, Anonymous has not used any anti-Semitic language during our campaign. Nor have we vocalized any support for Palestinian military operations or resistance groups. Our goal was to protect the rights of Palestinian people who are threatened with silence as Israel has made attempts to shut down cell phone and internet service throughout Gaza. We know what happens to victims of oppression when the lights go dark. It is also worthy to note, that as of yesterday, members of Anonymous participating in #OpIsrael were making attempts to augment our Gaza Care Package for civilians in Tel Aviv by translating the same documents in to Hebrew in the event that they lose access to internet service as well. We do not racially or geographically differentiate between victims of violence or oppression anywhere in the world. Both Palestinians and Israelis need to find common ground and end the violence that has already resulted in the deaths of innocent people, including children. Israel's advancement on Palestinian Territories and the racist oppression of Palestinian people needs to end. We are not terrorists. Governments that fund wars, practice deceit against their own citizens, condone corruption, and turn a blind eye to the deaths of innocent people are terrorists. The word terror does not belong to Israel or the United States. We will judge you by your actions.Peace and Freedom to all,#OpIsrael#AnonymousAnonymous Gaza Care Package: http://www.mediafire.com/?hpnne29xvx1ceuv#OpIsrael Information and Tools: [URL="http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?052e585589d89b5d#V7ELmwHwFZ6gm+mv3/BH0M2bw035NxDE7qaf55tRIBY="]http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?052e585589d89b5d#V7ELmwHwFZ6gm+mv3/BH0M2bw035NxDE7qaf55tRIBY=
http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index...qayxtB4luA=[/URL]
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#18
Magda Hassan Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:
The Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate talks between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, has revealed Jabari was assassinated just hours after he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire.

Maybe it also included the RFID chip for the missile to locate it.

Could be....watching him in that interview you posted the transcript of he was mighty matter of fact about the 'hit' and its implications, let alone ethics.....maybe not strange, except that he was a professional 'peace negotiator'......:joystick:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:Maybe it also included the RFID chip for the missile to locate it.

Could be....watching him in that interview you posted the transcript of he was mighty matter of fact about the 'hit' and its implications, let alone ethics.....maybe not strange, except that he was a professional 'peace negotiator'......:joystick:
He may well have been quite out of the loop but may have unwittingly delivered it or it could have come to Ahmed Jabari by other means. But it seems quite a good pretence to bring Jabari to meet with his enemies and to deliver the key to his death.
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However this was 'arranged' to start...it is clear to me is was started by Israel and IMO done for political purposes of their upcoming elections.....making it even more cynical than it would otherwise be. If Israel makes the mistake of a land invasion of Gaza, I could see Egypt in some ways helping the Palestinians.....which could start a real mess of a regional conflict. I only hope Israel is not that stupid to even try.....but if the past is any guide, they are.
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