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If it was a CHAOS psy-warfare job I would look in to the Canadian drug dealers to see if they were being controlled by an ally's intelligence service in order to create the drug deal burn as a pretext.
Even if the murders were due to drug psychosis there's no doubt Vinny stepped-in and did his usual pro-government spin trying to indict the Beatles and the 60's movement. At some point someone saw the pro-CHAOS advantage in all this and Vinny was their willing spin-master.
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Cliff Varnell Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:If, as I believe, Mae was correct, then Bugliosi was chosen by intelligence to cover up the truth...and was 'in the fold' long before he did his hatchet job on JFK. Manson was part of CHAOS and the operations to destroy the progressive '60s' movements and paint those with long hair, smoking grass and alternative values, etc. in a bad light. Think McGowan- Murder and Mystery In Laurel Canyon. Think chaos and CHAOS.
Charlers Manson is a life-long fuck-up who had a way with women.
Intel operative?
Bollocks.
McGowan's attempt to revise the history of 60's rocknroll is beyond pathetic.
The roots of the 60's music-fueled counter-culture are found in San Francisco and Texas, not Laurel Canyon.
Laurel Canyon is the birthplace of Middle-Of-The-Road soft Adult Rock.
Elevator music.
Did the CIA have a large role in a plot to make American youth dope-stupid?
Yes they did!
And the name of the narcotic the CIA smuggled in support of this plot is...HEROIN.
LSD is too unpredictable to have operational value.
Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
The CIA at work in West Germany, 1967-1970, preparing the ground for the RAF and the assault on Ostpolitik:
[video=youtube_share;Wo-mqnu1Jko]http://youtu.be/Wo-mqnu1Jko[/video]
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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I'm not sure about the Tate/LaBianca murders being part of CHAOS. And I do not think highly of Adam Golightly as a researcher.
But as far as LSD and the CIA, in my view Acid Dreams is one of the most overlooked books of the eighties. It was that book that enlightened me about Tim Leary. And Ronald Stark has all the earmarks of being a deep cover, highly protected, off the books CIA agent.
How about this for just one random sentence near the end of the book, "Furthermore, Stark was tight with the Brotherhood leaders who contributed money to the Weather Underground for Timothy Leary's prison escape." (p. 280) That's just one among many.
But let's not concentrate everything on the Tate/LaBianca aspect.
I mean there is a lot in there about Bulgiosi's aborted political career, and how he was seen as being a much too polarizing figure in Los Angeles. And how could he have been so dumb as to get involved with the whole Milkman and Cardwell scandals. Which in essence killed his political aspirations. I also later found out that Caballero, Atkins' lawyer, ended up being his campaign manager for one of his races. Coincidence or conspiracy?
And then finally, how about his saying that police frame ups of black Americans was not at all common.
LOL
And then the Rampart Division scandal breaks out!
​Good timing Vince.
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:If, as I believe, Mae was correct, then Bugliosi was chosen by intelligence to cover up the truth...and was 'in the fold' long before he did his hatchet job on JFK. Manson was part of CHAOS and the operations to destroy the progressive '60s' movements and paint those with long hair, smoking grass and alternative values, etc. in a bad light. Think McGowan- Murder and Mystery In Laurel Canyon. Think chaos and CHAOS.
Charlers Manson is a life-long fuck-up who had a way with women.
Intel operative?
Bollocks.
McGowan's attempt to revise the history of 60's rocknroll is beyond pathetic.
The roots of the 60's music-fueled counter-culture are found in San Francisco and Texas, not Laurel Canyon.
Laurel Canyon is the birthplace of Middle-Of-The-Road soft Adult Rock.
Elevator music.
Did the CIA have a large role in a plot to make American youth dope-stupid?
Yes they did!
And the name of the narcotic the CIA smuggled in support of this plot is...HEROIN.
LSD is too unpredictable to have operational value.
Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
Fascinating stuff. Cheers, Paul.
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Quote:But as far as LSD and the CIA, in my view Acid Dreams is one of the most overlooked books of the eighties. It was that book that enlightened me about Tim Leary. And Ronald Stark has all the earmarks of being a deep cover, highly protected, off the books CIA agent.
Jim, the recent Trine Day volume DRUGS AS WEAPONS AGAINST US, by John Potash, draws upon ACID DREAMS quite a bit and I recommend it. Potash's earlier book was THE FBI WAR ON TUPAC SHAKUR AND BLACK LEADERS, and the new volume follows up on that subject with a lot of fascinating (if depressing) info on the period discussing Cointelpro, the CIA, Leary and others. Leary comes across very badly in it, as does Ken Kesey. Trine Day editor Kris Millegan actually concludes the book with a personal disclaimer noting that he didn't find Kesey to be as much of a probable stooge for the CIA as Potash suggests, but Potash offers a wealth of documentation suggesting otherwise.
The subtext of DRUGS AS WEAPONS AGAINST US is the CIA and FBI repeatedly using assassination and other methods to disrupt, destroy and generally subdue the left, from leftist leaders to activist members of the general public. It made my jaw drop a little. The Kindle version is cheap and it's probably one of the better books I've seen from them in a while, making up for their dopey Judith Baker volumes.
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
Interestingly, Pink Floyd's Syd Barrett appears to have been similarly separated from the rest of the group, and subjected to intensive and protracted LSD experimentation, a couple of years before: the relevant section begins at approximately 5 minutes
A pattern emerges.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
The CIA at work in West Germany, 1967-1970, preparing the ground for the RAF and the assault on Ostpolitik:
[video=youtube_share;Wo-mqnu1Jko]http://youtu.be/Wo-mqnu1Jko[/video]
High-Fish Commune
From ICWiki
http://www.ic.org/wiki/high-fish-commune/
The High-Fish Commune was a commune in Munich formed at the end of the 1960s. The name is a play on words, as Hai-fisch is the German for shark. Two of the founders, Rainer Langhans and Uschi Obermaier had previously lived in Berlin's Kommune1, and Obermaier had also been a member of Munich's Amon Düül community. The High-Fish Commune is infamous as probably being the place where Fleetwood Mac guitarist, Peter Green, had a LSD trip which was to disturb him for many years to come.
Contents
1 Formation
2 Life at High Fish
3 Trauma Night in Trauma City
4 Links to the "Tupamaros Munich"
5 Sources (All German)
6 See also
Formation
At the end of the sixties, (1968 ?) Rainer Langhans and his partner, Uschi Obermaier, left Berlin and moved to Munich, where they started the High-Fish Commune. In contrast to the spartan conditions of the Kommune 1, the new community was luxurious. The group rented a 17 room house in Schwabing, a fashionable district in the northern part of Munich. They had 7 automobiles, and after a while (early 1970 ?), rented a small, 25 room hunting castle near Landshut, in southern Bavaria.
Life at High Fish
The High Fish Commune fits the cliché picture of a sixties hippie commune, with sex, and drugs, and rock and roll. The rooms were stylish, there were lots of "happenings", never ending parties, LSD, and free love. Some of the sex in the commune was "staged" and filmed as porno movies. Uschi Obermaier was Germany's first and best known groupie of the 1960s. Thin and petite but feminine she represented a new type of model and exposed frontal nudity for the first time on a magazine cover. Rainer Langhans and other communards had contacts to the radical left wing student scene, parts of which were developing into small urban guerrilla groups.
Trauma Night in Trauma City
Rainer Langhans mentions in his autobiography that he and Uschi Obermaier met Peter Green and others of Fleetwood Mac in 1970 in Munich, where they invited them to their "High-Fish-Commune". Here the drinks were laced with LSD, which particularly affected Green. The communards were not really interested in Peter Green. They just wanted to get in contact with the Rolling Stones' guitarist, Mick Taylor: Langhans and Obermaier wished to organize a "Bavarian Woodstock". They wanted Jimi Hendrix and "The Rolling Stones" to be the leading acts of their Bavarian open air festival. They needed the "Green God" just to get in contact with "The Rolling Stones" via Mick Taylor.
Links to the "Tupamaros Munich"
At the start of 1970, members of the underground urban guerrilla groups, the Südfront and the Tupamaros Munich, were reported as having threatened to beat up Langhans and kidnap Obermaier if they did not pay out 500 Deutsche Marks. Doubts about the truth of this were quickly expressed, and after police raids on ten Munich communes, it was reported that the police had found that the High-Fish Commune had made a contract to give the Südfront 2,500 Deutsche Marks, but that this was voluntary support. The police claimed that the Munich communes had clear links to the guerrilla groups. That this was true became clear in 1971, when on Friday the 13th April, armed guerrillas (three men and a woman) robbed a bank and got away with 50,000 DM. Two men were quickly caught, the third man and the woman were not caught until June 5th. The woman, Margit Gaier-Czenki, was a member of the High Fish Commune. She spent over four years in prison.
Sources (All German)
Focus magazine article about communes: http://www.focus.de/kultur/leben/wohnen-...40984.html
Biography of Uschi Obermaier:
About Peter Green's Trip (Rolling Stone forum): http://forum.rollingstone.de/showthread....arden-1970
1970 article about the threats to Rainer and Uschi (Die Zeit Online)
Wikipedia about the German Tupamaros Munich: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros_M%C3%BCnchen
About Margit Gaier-Czenki: http://www.rumford.de/mc.html
Erotic text about sex in High Fish Commune: http://www.sterneck.net/vision/high-fish.../index.php
Photos at Spiegel.de More here: http://www.spiegel.de/einestages/
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Uschi: Groupie, addict, and heroine of the left
The return to the limelight of Uschi Obermaier, a name which for many Germans is synonymous with 1960s student rebellion, has opened new debates on how successful the country has been at shrugging off its Nazi past. By Tony Paterson in Berlin
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...34740.html
Quote:She boasts of drug orgies and affairs with Jimi Hendrix, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and a fortnight ago, at the not so tender age of 60, she was photographed naked - but wearing a pirate's hat - for one of Germany's most popular magazines.
Uschi Obermaier was and, many would say, still is the beautiful, albeit surgically improved, face of Germany's chaotic 1960s era of student rebellion. It was a time of free sex and mass protest that gave birth both to the country's celebrated Green movement and its once feared Red Army Faction (RAF) terrorist gang.
This month she has been thrust back into Germany's cultural limelight after an interval of nearly 40 years, with the publication of her memoirs and a new feature film recounting her colourful exploits as an icon of the student left: groupie, street-fighter and reluctant inhabitant of Berlin's legendary free-sex Commune 1. The film and her book, which coincide with plans by Chancellor Angela Merkel's government to free the last remaining members of the former RAF terrorist gang from decades of incarceration, have inevitably sparked a collective look back at Germany's era of youth protest.
The events of 40 years ago have also begun to raise questions about whether the upsurge of popular youth protest against a generation of German parents still heavily implicated in the horrors of the Nazi era succeeded in achieving its aim to fundamentally change post-war society.
Obermaier now lives the life of a virtual recluse. She works as a jewellery designer from her home in Topanga Canyon just north of Los Angeles and rarely receives visitors. She claims that she recently learnt to cook for the first time and has stopped using her fridge merely to store Manolo Blahniks. In the old days, she claims, her breakfast consisted of "apple juice, a line of heroin and a joint". Although she fast became a celebrity in her own right, the beginnings of her story were typical of many of her generation. Born in a dreary working-class suburb of Munich, Obermaier grew bored with the succession of "dead Sundays" she was forced to live through in her early teens while being brought up by her single-parent mother. "I used to wish for a plane crash, just for a bit of action," she recalled in an interview last week, "Where I lived, I felt nothing happens and nothing ever will happen," she added.
Salvation came with the arrival of the "sex 'n' drugs 'n' rock and roll" era. The young Uschi became obsessed with rock music and made frequent pilgrimages to Munich's Big Apple Club where bands such as The Lords, The Rattles and on one evening, Hendrix played. Donning false eyelashes, a micro skirt and swigging back a few Captagon tablets, she spent every available evening at the club dancing the night away. Drug taking soon became routine. Obermaier admits that she became so dependent on Captagon, a form of speed, that she needed the drug to get up in the morning. To calm herself down she smoked joints. Later she added LSD to her intake of hallucinogens until she experienced a trip so bad that it was "a near death event".
Obermaier's outrageous behaviour and stunning looks rapidly helped to find her work as a model when she was not playing the role of the nation's most famous groupie. She still talks tenderly of her brief affair with Hendrix who took her to his room in West Berlin's Kempinksi Hotel after giving a concert in the city. "He was the most beautiful of all my men," she recalled last week. "Making love with Jimi was one of the most profound experiences for me," she added. Her flings with Jagger and Richards followed. She recalls nowadays how at one meeting both Stones vied with each other to get her into bed. Jagger gave in. Obermaier says she is still on good terms with Richards and that the two often speak on the telephone.
But being simply an upmarket groupie was not enough for Uschi Obermaier. By the late Sixties she found herself ensconced in capitalist West Berlin with an impish looking, bespectacled and Struwwelpeter-haired new boyfriend called Rainer Langhans. The two were soon to become the star protagonists in a bizarre political experiment involving group cohabitation that was explicitly designed to shock Germany's corseted conservative establishment to the core.
Commune 1, as it was called, was Germany's answer to San Francisco's Haight Ashbury, but it had a seriously Teutonic streak. The gang of long-haired, dope smoking Maoist students who started the experiment by occupying a spacious turn-of-the-century apartment in central West Berlin, were out to explode and revolutionise the moribund values of post-war German society. A surviving photograph captures what then must have seemed the shockingly provocative nature of Commune 1. It shows seven of its founder members standing naked with their backs to the camera, their hands spread against a wall. A boy on the right of the picture is the only one to face the photographer.
Free sex, agit-prop political stunts, drugs and endless political discussion dominated life in Commune 1, where the inmates slept on mattresses on the floor. To rid the commune of bourgeois tendencies, all available cash was shared, the doors were torn off the lavatories and phone calls were piped through a loud speaker. Even inmates' letters home to their parents were read out in full to the assembled communards.
Uschi Obermaier recalls in her memoirs how the hour-long discussions about the difference between capitalism and communism seemed to her at the time like "pure brainwashing sessions". She added: " Anyone who drank a Coke rated as a counter revolutionary. The fact that I smoked Menthol cigarettes meant that I was playing into the hands of the imperialists." The Commune 1 phenomenon nevertheless succeeded in attracting the attention it so desired. Raunchy photographs of the semi-naked Obermaier and Langhans were splashed across the nation's newspapers and magazines as the two became icons of an era of student upheaval.
A largely hostile conservative press insisted that Commune 1 was little more than an attempt to subvert German youth: "They want to recruit the girls and boys from beat clubs who are potential supporters of their idea and turn them into shoplifters who can steal in stores and supermarkets," is how Stern magazine - the publication which last month pictured her naked in a fanfare of publicity - then described the commune's inhabitants. The political japes of Commune 1 were initially confined to demos at shopping markets, but the growing climate of student rebellion and anti-Vietnam war fervour encouraged its members to plan a cake and jelly baby attack on the US vice president Hubert Humphrey who was scheduled to visit Berlin. Plans for the attack were unearthed by police shortly before the visit and several of the commune's members were briefly jailed.
But what was to happen a few months later brought a swift end to the experimental nature of Commune 1 and the German media's fascination with free sex à la Uschi. The date was 2 June 1967 and a group of revolutionary Berlin students had assembled on the city's streets to protest against a visit by the shah of Persia. German police looked on as the shah's besuited bodyguards waded into the crowd of demonstrators and beat them with sticks. Minutes later a shot rang out. The bullet, fired from a policeman's pistol, shattered the skull of a 26-year-old student named Benno Ohnesorg.
Ohnesorg was killed instantly. Black and white television pictures of the young man lying prostrate and bloody on the street were flashed across Germany, sending the nation's youth into a state of shock. The event not only helped to confirm many of the fears about a "latent fascist state" held by Commune 1 members. Its effect was to enrage and engage large sections of Germany's left-wing student youth.
Joschka Fischer, Germany's recently retired Green foreign minister, who was then a rebel left-wing activist, said of Ohnesorg's death: "I felt nothing but fury: fury that somebody could be shot dead simply for being a student at a demonstration." He added: "Looking back, Ohnesorg's death was a tragedy that more than anything else made me want to get involved in politics. I wanted to make sure that nothing like that could ever happen again in Germany."
Nowadays it is argued that Ohnesorg's death and the subsequent shooting of the German left-wing activist Rudi Dutschke, less than a year later, forced a split in the country's anti-authoritarian protest movement. One half, championed in its initial stages by Dutschke himself, went on to form Germany's groundbreaking, pacifist environmentalist movement, which became the Green Party - the only environmentalist political group to share power in a European government.
However, from the other arm of Germany's radical left movement of the 1960s, sprang the Baader-Meinhof gang, subsequently known as the Red Army Faction. From 1968 until 1991, the terrorist organisation conducted an "anti-imperialist struggle" in which kidnappings, cold-blooded shootings and bomb attacks claimed the lives of 34 victims, many of them figureheads of post-war German society.
It was only a fortnight ago that a court in Stuttgart considered the idea of freeing Brigitte Mohnhaupt, one of the last RAF activists still in jail. Horst Köhler, the German President, is also deciding whether to finally pardon her fellow RAF activist Christian Klar, who has been in prison for 24 years.
Forty years on from the heady days of Uschi Obermaier and Commune 1, Germany is still debating whether the nation's student protest era heralded a dawn of enlightenment or a descent into fanatical terrorism. "Were the communards political artists or terrorists," asks this week's issue of Der Spiegel magazine.
Obermaier left Germany in 1973 with a former Hamburg pimp named Dieter Bockhorn. She travelled with him around Asia and America in a bus and eventually settled in California. Bockhorn died in a motorcycle crash on New Year's Eve 1983.
Many of Commune 1's members now look little different from an average German senior citizen. The lives of some have been wrecked by drugs and periods in and out of jail. OnlyLanghans seems to have held on to the spirit of anti-imperialist protest. Still sporting his shock of shoulder-length touselled hair - now almost white - he espouses Commune 1 values by living in a one-room apartment in Munich and paying court to a "harem" of women.
For Langhans it was all worth it. "We won," he declared in an interview last week. "We accomplished our mission. Society is freer, women are equal and children are allowed to contradict their parents." More than a few of today's Germans would not disagree with his verdict.
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Peter Green - The Munich LSD Party Incident
[video=youtube_share;mcZJCLce1cY]http://youtu.be/mcZJCLce1cY[/video]
Published on Aug 12, 2012
Peter Green and members of Fleetwood Mac give their accounts of the infamous LSD party at the Highfisch-Kommune in Munich. Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'. Peter Green says, 'I had a good play there, it was great.'
This incident is the genesis for Ada Wilson's novel Red Army Faction Blues, which fully explores the situation the Peter Green walked into that night.
For more Red Army Faction Blues visit https://redarmyfactionblues.wordpress...
Interestingly, Pink Floyd's Syd Barrett appears to have been similarly separated from the rest of the group, and subjected to intensive and protracted LSD experimentation, a couple of years before: the relevant section begins at approximately 5 minutes
A pattern emerges.
This was very sad. Lots of people took LSD in the 60's and beyond with out negative reactions. However the mention of "massive" amounts is perhaps the key here, combined with (perhaps) a predisposition toward mental illness.
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