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[Drew Phipps]

You want to talk about a bottleneck? How many witnesses on the steps saw Officer Marrion Baker, wearing a white motorcycle helmet, enter the TSBD?

One that I know of: Pauline Sanders

[Drew Phipps]

I personally think that Baker is more or less correct, and Shelley and Lovelady are lying, perhaps with the intent of creating a legend about how they found out about the shooting (just like Nixon). They stick together long enough to be able to independently name the same first person who tells the two of them about it.

Wasn't the Crouch short film showing a DPD officer running to the door filmed from the motorcade itself? You can't have a four minute delay there.

[Bob Prudhomme]

You want to talk about a bottleneck? How many witnesses on the steps saw Officer Marrion Baker, wearing a white motorcycle helmet, enter the TSBD?

One that I know of: Pauline Sanders

The FBI report regarding Pauline Sanders was written on November 24, 1963. In this report, she is credited with two things; leaving the TSBD building at 11:25 AM to watch the motorcade and seeing a police officer run into the TSBD within ten seconds of the last shot.


FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

PAULINE E. SANDERS, 4226 Delmar, a Clerk, Texas School Book Depository, 411 Elm Street, advised she arrived at work at 8:45 a.m., on November 22, 1963, and immediately reported to the main office where she was employed. She said she was aquainted with LEE HARVEY OSWALD who worked in the warehouse sectio and she has seen him three or four times during lunch breaks in the lunch room but did not talk to him on any occasion. She said he was very quiet and she had never seen him talking to any of the other employees that she could recall. She said she would not be in a position to observe what time he arrived at work or the way he arrived.She said on the morning of November 22, 1963, she went outside to watch the Presidential parade at about 11:25 a.m. She said she did not see OSWALD during this time and she stood in the last line of spectators nearest the door to the Texas School Book Depository building. She advised she could not recall the exact time but immediately after the presidential parade passed she heard three loud blasts and she immediately realized that the shots or whatever it was came from the building above her. She said within a matter of ten seconds a uniform police officer in a white helmet ran into the building but she did not observe him any further and could not state where he went in the building.
Mrs. SANDERS advised that Mr. Campbell, Office Manager, arrived shortly after the police officer entered the building and she told him she believed the blasts came from the upper part of the building however he insisted the shots came from the embankment. She advised she did not pursue the matter any further and she entered the building within five minutes of the blast. She said she did not observe OSWALD in the lobby but the lobby was crowded with people at this time. She said she did notice a uniform police officer talking to an individual dressed in grey clothing with a silver type construction helmet and he claimed to be an engineer. She said he definitely did not work in the building and she had never seen him before. She said the police officer appeared to be taking his name and address. She said she did not observe whether the elevator was in use or not and she could not recall whether it was on the first floor but she did use the stairwell and walked to the second floor where their offices are maintained. She said she could not recall seeing OSWALD the entire day and at this time the only thing that was on her mind was whether the President had died.
Mrs. SANDERS advised that this morning she called GERALDINE REID, another employee, telephone number FE 1-6617, who told her that the police officer who had first entered the building ran into the lunch room where Mr. TRULY, the warehouse manager, and OSWALD were evidently lunching. The police officer put his gun into OSWALD's stomach but TRULY advised the police officer that OSWALD worked for him. Police officer turned turned away and evidently left the area. She said according to REID, OSWALD then went to the main office and REID, although she had not observed the initial incident with the police officer, told OSWALD that the President had been shot. According to SANDERS, Mrs. REID claimed that OSWALD just mumbled something and left the office. She said Reid did not mention how OSWALD left the office or for that matter if she knew how he might have left the building. SANDERS advised that the stairwell would probably have been the easiest way to leave without being too noticeable since the stairwell is in need of repairs and employees had been instructed not to use the stairwell.




on 11/24/63 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 89-43
By Special Agent ROBERT E. HASAM and ROBERT J. ANDERSON Date Dictated 11/24/63


As was typical of these FBI reports, they were written in the third person, unsigned by the subject of the report and there is every indication the report was never read by the subject of the report. As a lawyer, Drew, you should know what the value of such a "statement" would be in court.

To show just how suspect this FBI report from 11/24/63 actually was, here is an excerpt from a statement Pauline Sanders gave to the FBI on March 19, 1964:

""At approximately 12:20 P.M. on November 22, 1963, I left the lunch room on the second floor of the building and went out the front entrance to await the arrival of the Presidential Motorcade which I knew was due to pass the Depository building at 12:30 P.M."

As the FBI report of 24/11/63 makes Pauline Sanders the ONLY witness on the steps to see Baker enter the TSBD, and as it places her leaving the TSBD almost an hour earlier than her stated departure time of 12:20 PM, and as the FBI has been seen fabricating evidence in this case already, how much value can we place in this alleged "sighting" of Baker running into the TSBD?

[Bob Prudhomme]

I personally think that Baker is more or less correct, and Shelley and Lovelady are lying, perhaps with the intent of creating a legend about how they found out about the shooting (just like Nixon). They stick together long enough to be able to independently name the same first person who tells the two of them about it.

Wasn't the Crouch short film showing a DPD officer running to the door filmed from the motorcade itself? You can't have a four minute delay there.

If you watch the COUCH film, you will see it only shows Baker running to within a few feet of the TSBD steps. Couch pans his camera away to the left before we get to see if Baker runs past the steps, or actually ascends the steps.

[Albert Doyle]

If you watch the COUCH film, you will see it only shows Baker running to within a few feet of the TSBD steps. Couch pans his camera away to the left before we get to see if Baker runs past the steps, or actually ascends the steps.

And in all the years of Baker's story of running into the Depository not one single person ever stepped forward and said "No, I saw him run up Houston".


I get it Bob. Your doubt is the bar and everything else has to be proven.


The best, common sense, evidence here is there is zero to support Baker going anywhere else but inside.


Baker ran towards the front entrance that would get him inside and upstairs quickest, but then decided "Heck, I'll take a detour to the back where I'm unsure there's even an entrance or anything else that will help me get upstairs". -Yaaa.


ROKC proxy Bob is trying to shift the subject here. He's a dirty pool player who goes to the below the belt stuff when losing.

[Bart Kamp]

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[Albert Doyle]

Bush league.

[Bob Prudhomme]

If you watch the COUCH film, you will see it only shows Baker running to within a few feet of the TSBD steps. Couch pans his camera away to the left before we get to see if Baker runs past the steps, or actually ascends the steps.

And in all the years of Baker's story of running into the Depository not one single person ever stepped forward and said "No, I saw him run up Houston".


I get it Bob. Your doubt is the bar and everything else has to be proven.


The best, common sense, evidence here is there is zero to support Baker going anywhere else but inside.


Baker ran towards the front entrance that would get him inside and upstairs quickest, but then decided "Heck, I'll take a detour to the back where I'm unsure there's even an entrance or anything else that will help me get upstairs". -Yaaa.


ROKC proxy Bob is trying to shift the subject here. He's a dirty pool player who goes to the below the belt stuff when losing.

No one is questioning if Baker entered the TSBD by the front entrance. The REAL question is, WHEN did Baker enter the TSBD. Was it quickly enough to make the second floor encounter with Oswald possible?

[Albert Doyle]

No one is questioning if Baker entered the TSBD by the front entrance. The REAL question is, WHEN did Baker enter the TSBD. Was it quickly enough to make the second floor encounter with Oswald possible?

OK. That's relevant.


I would imagine Baker was in a hurry to see if he could catch an assassin.


I've read your Baker - Lovelady - Shelley stuff. I find it interesting and think it raises some legitimate issues.


I would add that with all that is known about the assassination Harvey's handlers would not let him blow the whole set-up by letting him wander down to the portal.

[Drew Phipps]

Bob: You asked, "How many?" My answer, "There was one." I make no judgment about her credibility. If it weren't for the Crouch film, and Officer Baker's story, I'd have more skepticism.

I doubt the discrepancy between 11:25 and 12:25 is of much significance (probably a typo); however, the difference between 12:25 and 12:20 might be.

The planned arrival time of the motorcade to the Trade Mart was 12:15. Anyone who knew about the "plan" of the motorcade, and wanted to see it, would have been outside before 12:15, not 12:20 or 12:25.