I agree with Jim D on the importance of John's work. His focus on the postal evidence and Harry Holmes as a suspect is also very important.
On whether Oswald ever went to Mexico City, I remain an agnostic.
I think my book State Secret makes a good argument that the important thing to look at is
how others responded to the LHO character.
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't agree with everything in the book. And I wish John had let me look at it first.
But, there is no doubt that it is a valuable and unique contribution to the field. And anyone who dismisses it out of hand shows their ignorance because there is stuff in that book that you will not find anywhere else.
To give one example: John's analysis of Mexico CIty is one of the best there is. And his chronicles of the bus rides down and back is unparalleled. In fact, I don't see how anyone can read that and still think there is no question Oswald was on the bus. Which is where I have a disagreement with people like Hancock and Simpich. It is not a done deal that Oswald was in Mexico City and did the things the WC said he did.
Secondly, John's discussion of the MC rifle is a quantum leap forward. No one ever did that before. Third, his review of the alleged REA delivery of the handgun is also unique.
I could go on and on, but its a book much worth reading.
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't agree with everything in the book. And I wish John had let me look at it first.
But, there is no doubt that it is a valuable and unique contribution to the field. And anyone who dismisses it out of hand shows their ignorance because there is stuff in that book that you will not find anywhere else.
To give one example: John's analysis of Mexico CIty is one of the best there is. And his chronicles of the bus rides down and back is unparalleled. In fact, I don't see how anyone can read that and still think there is no question Oswald was on the bus. Which is where I have a disagreement with people like Hancock and Simpich. It is not a done deal that Oswald was in Mexico City and did the things the WC said he did.
Secondly, John's discussion of the MC rifle is a quantum leap forward. No one ever did that before. Third, his review of the alleged REA delivery of the handgun is also unique.
I could go on and on, but its a book much worth reading.
I feel the same way. He strains too hard to get Harvey & Lee involved in every aspect of the events of 11/22/1963 (his Tippit murder/Texas Theater scenario doesn't add up in my opinion), but the rest of the book is essential.
HARVEY Oswald, the man Ruby killed was not in Mexico City.... in fact State Secrets makes an interesting case for those calls being dangles by the Cuban or Mexican Intelligence to see who was listening to what....
or that they knew something about Oswald and were going to use it against the CIA... Bill makes a very intersting case... It is a bit thick with data, which is great, and an excellent read...
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't agree with everything in the book. And I wish John had let me look at it first.
But, there is no doubt that it is a valuable and unique contribution to the field. And anyone who dismisses it out of hand shows their ignorance because there is stuff in that book that you will not find anywhere else.
To give one example: John's analysis of Mexico CIty is one of the best there is. And his chronicles of the bus rides down and back is unparalleled. In fact, I don't see how anyone can read that and still think there is no question Oswald was on the bus. Which is where I have a disagreement with people like Hancock and Simpich. It is not a done deal that Oswald was in Mexico City and did the things the WC said he did.
Secondly, John's discussion of the MC rifle is a quantum leap forward. No one ever did that before. Third, his review of the alleged REA delivery of the handgun is also unique.
I could go on and on, but its a book much worth reading.
I feel the same way. He strains too hard to get Harvey & Lee involved in every aspect of the events of 11/22/1963 (his Tippit murder/Texas Theater scenario doesn't add up in my opinion), but the rest of the book is essential.
Wow Tracy. Although I have studied this case my entire adult life I knew very little about the Tippet murder. I had my own personal theory and had read some of the garbage along the way, (Did Hurt have his wack job Easterling killing Tippit? I have not looked at that book in decades and am on my way to work in a few minutes). So when John sent me his paper to present I was blown away by how accurate I felt it to be. Reasonable minds can differ however.
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't agree with everything in the book. And I wish John had let me look at it first.
But, there is no doubt that it is a valuable and unique contribution to the field. And anyone who dismisses it out of hand shows their ignorance because there is stuff in that book that you will not find anywhere else.
To give one example: John's analysis of Mexico CIty is one of the best there is. And his chronicles of the bus rides down and back is unparalleled. In fact, I don't see how anyone can read that and still think there is no question Oswald was on the bus. Which is where I have a disagreement with people like Hancock and Simpich. It is not a done deal that Oswald was in Mexico City and did the things the WC said he did.
Secondly, John's discussion of the MC rifle is a quantum leap forward. No one ever did that before. Third, his review of the alleged REA delivery of the handgun is also unique.
I could go on and on, but its a book much worth reading.
I feel the same way. He strains too hard to get Harvey & Lee involved in every aspect of the events of 11/22/1963 (his Tippit murder/Texas Theater scenario doesn't add up in my opinion), but the rest of the book is essential.
Tracy... The events post 12:30 on 11/22 remain very confusing... LEE had been frequenting a barber shop not far from the Tippit murder and was seen walking past that point at the right time to have been either involved or the actual shooter... remember what Benavidas says about his haircut....
Supposition and hypothesis does not detract in any way from the volume of evidence supporting the existence of both men... and the involvement of LEE with Ruby and other key players. It is with this constant testing of hypothesis that we've discovered most of breadcrumbs leading to revelation.
There is simply no way around the fraudulent school records..
No way around the FBI rushing to Stripling the morning after the assassination to remove evidence of HARVEY attending that school... well before Robert O. slips up and says he attended Stripling.
JA has to be also commended for spending the hours at the Archives producing copies of buried records...
I've spent months reading thru those notebooks and only scratched the surface....
As opposed to hiding them away, unlike many who have soas to "own" some sort of exclusivity, his making available these records via Baylor remains one of the greatest contribution to the research.
I found this ... "Oswald" is repeated many times on this page.... yet it is the HARVEY story... not the LEE or Oswald story which is referred to here....
and the suspicion on Marina - imo - has not fully been appreciated...
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in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't agree with everything in the book. And I wish John had let me look at it first.
But, there is no doubt that it is a valuable and unique contribution to the field. And anyone who dismisses it out of hand shows their ignorance because there is stuff in that book that you will not find anywhere else.
To give one example: John's analysis of Mexico CIty is one of the best there is. And his chronicles of the bus rides down and back is unparalleled. In fact, I don't see how anyone can read that and still think there is no question Oswald was on the bus. Which is where I have a disagreement with people like Hancock and Simpich. It is not a done deal that Oswald was in Mexico City and did the things the WC said he did.
Secondly, John's discussion of the MC rifle is a quantum leap forward. No one ever did that before. Third, his review of the alleged REA delivery of the handgun is also unique.
I could go on and on, but its a book much worth reading.
I feel the same way. He strains too hard to get Harvey & Lee involved in every aspect of the events of 11/22/1963 (his Tippit murder/Texas Theater scenario doesn't add up in my opinion), but the rest of the book is essential.
Hi, JIm and Tracy,
I think John will admit that he can't definitively prove that American-born Lee Oswald killed Tippit and led cops to the Texas Theater as part of the final frame-up of Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald, but I'd just like to briefly show how logical it all is.
First, from school records, USMC documents, Hoover's 1960 memo telling the State Department "there is a possibility that an impostor is using Oswald's birth certificate," as well as sightings, including written evidence, that one Oswald was active in the U.S. while the other was in Russia, as well as documents form the Social Security Administration, and much more, John has assembled a lot of evidence that clearly suggests that two kids who eventually became U.S. intelligence agents were sharing the same identity.
No doubt almost everyone here agrees that someone, in the months prior to the assassination, was going around the Dallas area setting up the patsy for the hit. Hell, Burt Lancaster played him in the movie "Executive Action." That guy had a Texas driver's license under the name Lee Harvey Oswald. The guy killed by Jack Ruby didn't have a driver's license. Who could that guy with the drivers license possibly be other than the American-born Lee Harvey Oswald? Who better to finish the set-up on assassination day other than the guy who had been doing it for a couple of months already?
On November 22, 1963, it is possible to trace the whereabouts of the two Oswalds from morning to night. American-born Lee Oswald was seen in a white shirt all that day, first at the Top 10 Record Store at about the same time Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was travelling to the Book Depository. A little later, while Russian-speaking Harvey was working at the TSBD, American-born Oswald showed his driver's license to Fred Moore at the Jiffy store to buy beer.
Soon after 1 pm, according to most witnesses, a guy in a white shirt shoots and kills J.D. Tippit near 10th and Patton and then is seen walking in the direction of the Texas Theater. Not one witness said the shooter was wearing a brown shirt, although Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was arrested wearing one. At the time Tippit was shot, according to concession stand operator Butch Burrows, Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was already inside the Texas Theater. At 10th Patton, Dallas Police Captain Westbrook soon shows up and miraculously discovers a wallet containing Oswald and Hidell identification. The white-shirted Oswald is on his way to the theater where he will try to create a scene by running past the ticket booth without paying the entrance fee.
Several Dallas Police reports indicate Oswald was arrested in the balcony, as opposed to the main floor, where brown-shirted Harvey Oswald was nervously moving from patron to patron looking, no doubt, for his contact. Several people saw who they thought for years was "Lee Harvey Oswald" being escorted out the back of the Theater while Russian-speaking, brown-shirted Harvey Oswald was led out the front.
I have never, EVER, read a description of the events of November 22 that makes as much sense as this does, and I've believed for years that this is essentially what happened. You can read about these events in more detail here:
Jim & Dawn, I think we discussed this on another thread and I don't really want to rehash it all here. But Joseph McBride's book does the best job I've seen of pulling together all of the Tippit murder Rashomon. I think there were at least two men involved, and possibly another vehicle. From what I remember, JA doesn't really deal with all of that evidence because it doesn't fit the "Lee pretending to be Harvey" theory.
I don't have any particular theory about the Tippit murder that I'm attached to, but the one JA presents seems overly complicated and involved (like a plot from a movie thriller, rather than a real-life plot).
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Jim & Dawn, I think we discussed this on another thread and I don't really want to rehash it all here. But Joseph McBride's book does the best job I've seen of pulling together all of the Tippit murder Rashomon. I think there were at least two men involved, and possibly another vehicle. From what I remember, JA doesn't really deal with all of that evidence because it doesn't fit the "Lee pretending to be Harvey" theory.
I don't have any particular theory about the Tippit murder that I'm attached to, but the one JA presents seems overly complicated and involved (like a plot from a movie thriller, rather than a real-life plot).
Hi, Tracy,
Yeah, we have talked about this before. Nevertheless, no one saw more than one man shoot Tippit. A couple of witnesses saw more than one person fleeing, but there can be all kinds of reasons to leave a scene where a cop has just been shot. I'm surprised everyone didn't head for the hills.
John's take seems to me to be the most simple one out there--no Rashomon comparisons needed. Lee framed Harvey. If not Lee, who?
Lauren Johnson Wrote:@#16 Excuse my ignorance, but did Harvey and Lee interact in any way?
John doesn't have any evidence that they ever interacted directly; however, it is abundantly clear that Lee knew about Harvey. Whether Harvey knew about Lee is not so clear.
