Peter Presland Wrote:FACT: The first thing to go with jamming would be the transponder. Jamming would also keep the pilots from radioing out. Jamming would have a harder time spoofing all radars, and THAT is the part of the plan that did not go perfect, as it would be expected. And I would guess that the plane was taken to a location, most likely Afghanistan, where NO ONE would say a peep about it being there and it would not matter if it was on radar or not.
The arc established by the engine pingers narrows down the search field significantly. All you have to do is trace that arc to determine possible landing sites. I personally find it a little unbelievable that 239 passengers were deplaned and placed in cryonic tanks etc. It reminds me of some of that 9-11 stuff.
A Malaysian air force aircraft searches for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 plane over the Strait of Malacca. Twenty-five countries are now assisting in the operation. Photograph: Mohd Rasfan/AFP/Getty Images
The person in control of missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 issued their last communication to air traffic control after the first set of aircraft communications was disabled, Malaysian authorities have confirmed, adding further weight to suspicion that the plane was hijacked.
The latest revelation suggests that the person who delivered the "All right, good night" message to Kuala Lumpur air traffic controllers just before the Boeing-777 disappeared from their radar at 1.22am and diverted from its scheduled flightpath to Beijing was also aware that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) had been manually shut down.
Investigations still do not appear to know who was at the helm and what their intentions were when the aircraft disappeared from civilian radar more than a week ago.
Experts on aircraft maintenance have explained that the plane's communications system can only be disabled manually a process that requires switching a number of cockpit controls in sequence until a computer screen necessitates a keyboard input.
Authorities have not yet disclosed whether the person who issued the last message to controllers was Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, or co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, or even an unknown third person. It is also unclear if such messages are recorded by air traffic control and are available for expert analysis to determine who the voice belongs to. Malaysia Airlines could not be reached for comment and Malaysia's transport ministry declined to comment.
Malaysia's police chief, Khalid Bakar, has said authorities were investigating all crew, passengers and ground staff involved with MH370 under a penal code that includes hijacking, sabotage and terrorism. Police had questioned Zaharie's friends and family, and dismantled and reassembled at headquarters a flight simulator Zaharie kept in his house on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur.
Police also searched Fariq's home, although it was unclear if anything was confiscated.
According to Malaysia Airlines, the pilot and co-pilot did not ask to fly together, reducing the probability of a co-ordinated plan between the pilots to hijack the aircraft.
Khalid told reporters that all 239 people on board 228 passengers and 11 Malaysian crew were being investigated for suspicious activity, but that police were still waiting for background information from some of the nations whose citizens were on the plane.
Eight days after the Boeing-777 vanished, with no concrete leads on its whereabouts, investigators are now searching for the plane along two possible flight corridors from the its last known location at 2.15am last Saturday over the Malacca Strait one stretches south from Indonesia towards the Indian Ocean, a vast expanse with very little radar coverage; the other reaches north from Thailand up towards central Asia, a heavily militarised area whose airspace is carefully scrutinised.
There are 25 countries assisting in the search, said Malaysia's defence and acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein raising the additional challenges of co-ordinating ground, sea and aerial efforts as well as the delicate diplomatic issue of sharing significant sensitive information, from satellite data to primary and secondary radar playback, as well as any ground, sea and aerial co-ordination efforts.
"This is a significant recalibration of the search," Hishammuddin told reporters on Sunday. "From focusing mainly on shallow seas, we are now looking at large tracts of land, crossing 11 countries, as well as deep and remote oceans.
The search was already a highly complex, multinational effort. It has now become even more difficult."
Malaysia's prime minister, Najib Razak, has already spoken with the heads of state of Bangladesh, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and India; the foreign ministry has briefed at least 22 countries regarding the new search efforts as well as any additional countries that may be able to provide assistance.
Those countries include Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Australia, with special assistance regarding satellite data requested from the US, China and France.
Surveillance airplanes and maritime vessels will also be needed in the search for the missing jet along the southern corridor, where the Indian Ocean can reach depths of two miles and radar coverage is patchy at best.
Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the plane departed for Beijing with enough fuel only to reach its scheduled destination, so it would have been likely to run out after about seven hours' flight time if flying at normal cruising altitudes. But with reports emerging that the aircraft may have been flying at altitudes as high as 45,000ft, authorities also confirmed on Sunday that the plane need not have been flying for the duration of the period it was picked up by satellites.
The satellite "pings" that were last read at 8.11am on Saturday some six hours after Malaysian military radar last detected the aircraft over the Malacca Strait at 2.15am could still have been transmitting data from the ground, if the plane were to have landed, said Malaysia's civil aviation chief, Abdul Rahman.
"The plane can still transmit pings from the ground as long as there is electrical power," he said.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
16-03-2014, 06:20 PM (This post was last modified: 16-03-2014, 07:19 PM by Albert Doyle.)
The northern end of the pinger arc goes through China and Kyrgyzstan. Two countires unlikely to have secret landing bases in which to hide a stolen 777 full of passengers. That would make the southern end of the arc more likely in my opinion:
The position of the satellite does explain some things, finally....but not the ultimate mystery of where/why/how/who.....
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"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
I'm no fan of Debka File either - but it is a useful window on the shenanigans of the Zionist State. This is the intro to a longer piece delivered in a dead-pan 'honest guv' sort of style that has my antennae quivering:
Quote:US, Russian, Chinese military satellites hunt MH370 over Central Asia. Is it readied for a terrorist attack?
The US, Russia and China Sunday, March 16 contributed military satellites to the search for the Malaysian Boeing 777, missing without a trace for nine days with 239 people aboard. debkafile: The hunt focuses increasingly on some unknown derelict airfield in remote Central Asia, with the investigative accent on the contents of the cargo hold or a possible hijacking by terrorists to prepare for a major attack. Were they Uyghur separatists or others? Was the plane downed by cyber means? And were the pilots complicit in a plot to make Flight MH370 vanish?
".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims" Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12] "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied" Claud Cockburn
If Malaysia 370 has disappeared due to hijacking and without what was normal back 30 years ago in which the passengers are held hostage, then we have to ask Why?
Thesis: the physical existence might well prove to be irrelevant. What might prove to be relevant is 370's symbolic status. Essentially, the airplane might well be undergoing "sheep dipping" for some future purpose. The simplest iteration is to establish it as "fact" that airplanes can just disappear.
How might this legendary airplane (or its doppelganger) be of use? An example, "it" can reappear later as having been filled with C4 and whatever else you can imagine and crashed into some target as a false flag attack. Since most if not all state sponsored terror is controlled through US/NATO facilitation if not sponsorship, that helps narrow the field of what the target will be.
In short, we should aware of how the narrative plays out. The Debka post is an example of this.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
17-03-2014, 07:12 AM (This post was last modified: 17-03-2014, 08:04 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Lauren, Lets try to keep an even keel. While I'll agree that the US and NATO have done more than their share of false-flag operations, they are not the only country or entity that has. Russia has [one to mention would be those apartment bombings outside of Moscow blamed on Chechen 'terrorists']; China has, as well. Pakistan did and it is not yet clear if they did it on their own or under someone else's sponsorship. Israel and the old South Africa certainly did many false flag operations...One could go on. Many nations, for their own reasons, have hopped on the 'war on terror' bandwagon - or were already on it before the USA proclaimed it on 9-11-01. False-flag predates the Trojan Horse episode.
Yes, the oddest thing about the disappearance of the plane is no one claiming it was done in the name of or against the name of X, Y, or Z. I think that it could be used for an attack a la 9-11, but all major countries [those likely to be the target] are well aware of this now and will send up interceptors [or shoot down] an unidentified plane of that type - unlike the 'hesitancy' shown by Cheney and Rumsfeld et al.
While satellite imaging and sensing is a highly-kept secret, I can't imagine that both US and Russian [possibly other] spy or even simply Earth-watching satellites are not able to track the plane better than the scant information we've been told about [the engine handshakes]. I note one seeming discrepancy on the handshakes. They say they carried on for seven [!] hours after the plane was 'lost' about 45 minutes into flight....that means it likely traveled a long distance. The discrepancy is with that they say they can only pin down one distance [shown in the map above]. If, as they say, they were getting handshakes [minus the usual set of data] for seven hours, that alone should allow a calculation of distance, if not position - and if heard by two or more satellites, then position should be 100% possible. Spy satellites are built to [along with other things] track incoming missiles and planes [even at night; even without electronic signals or false ones to mislead], so why they can't track civilian planes is hard to imagine. I think several countries know much more about this event than they are saying publicly. They may have what they think are good reasons for their silence, or they could be involved in some black operation that may not yet be complete. Sadly, whatever the scenario, I can't imagine the passengers and crew being held alive somewhere - although there is that smallest and remotest possibility - I think it very unlikely.
While air travel is still RELATIVELY safe, more and more persons are going to wish the days of large ocean going passenger ships would return.....
While far from being inclined [at this point] to think along the lines of pilot suicide...I think this now forgotten episode with an Egyptian airline might need looking at again, in light of what has just happened..... The Egypt Air flight 990 was two years before 9-11. I don't know, but am asking myself - was it the co-pilot or was someone testing control of planes by electronic means - or something completely other? If memory serves, the wreckage was found in the ocean.
A dozen years ago, U.S. investigators filed a final report into the 1999 crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, which plunged into the Atlantic Ocean near the Massachusetts island of Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the plane downward, and calmly repeated the phrase "I rely on God" over and over, 11 times in total.Yet while the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the co-pilot's actions caused the crash, they didn't use the word "suicide" in the main findings of their 160-page report, instead saying the reason for his actions "was not determined." Egyptian officials, meanwhile, rejected the notion of suicide altogether, insisting instead there was some mechanical reason for the crash.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Yes, the oddest thing about the disappearance of the plane is no one claiming it was done in the name of or against the name of X, Y, or Z.
Uighur separatists' claim over missing flight MH370 may be re-examined
Quote:CLAIMS by a Malay newspaper that a 35-year-old Uighur man from China's troubled autonomous Muslim province was on Flight MH370 may be looked at in new light after being written off as irrelevant.
An email sent to journalists, supposedly from representatives from the Uighur separatist movement, claimed for responsibility for the Malaysia Airlines flight's disappearance.
The emails were dismissed as opportunistic and troublemaking...
Uighur rebel Abdullah Mansour told Reuters from an undisclosed location Pakistan in recent days that the intent was to bring the Holy Fight to China.
"The fight against China is our Islamic responsibility and we have to fulfil it," he said.
Pakistan is also along Mr Razak's so-called Kazakhstan‎ corridor.
Malaysia's continued interest in searching the Andaman Sea, far west of MH370's route to China, is intriguing.
If the plane had turned west from the South China Sea, then turned northwest towards Kazakhstan, it would have taken a direct path over Uighur heartland but also over many other countries.
In December, the US released the last of three of 22 Uighurs that had been detained in Guantánamo Bay since 2001, after being detained for fighting with the Taliban. The men were taken by Slovakia, because China would not take them.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
17-03-2014, 08:28 AM (This post was last modified: 17-03-2014, 08:54 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Paul Rigby Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Yes, the oddest thing about the disappearance of the plane is no one claiming it was done in the name of or against the name of X, Y, or Z.
Uighur separatists' claim over missing flight MH370 may be re-examined
Quote:CLAIMS by a Malay newspaper that a 35-year-old Uighur man from China's troubled autonomous Muslim province was on Flight MH370 may be looked at in new light after being written off as irrelevant.
An email sent to journalists, supposedly from representatives from the Uighur separatist movement, claimed for responsibility for the Malaysia Airlines flight's disappearance.
The emails were dismissed as opportunistic and troublemaking...
Uighur rebel Abdullah Mansour told Reuters from an undisclosed location Pakistan in recent days that the intent was to bring the Holy Fight to China.
"The fight against China is our Islamic responsibility and we have to fulfil it," he said.
Pakistan is also along Mr Razak's so-called Kazakhstan‎ corridor.
Malaysia's continued interest in searching the Andaman Sea, far west of MH370's route to China, is intriguing.
If the plane had turned west from the South China Sea, then turned northwest towards Kazakhstan, it would have taken a direct path over Uighur heartland but also over many other countries.
In December, the US released the last of three of 22 Uighurs that had been detained in Guantánamo Bay since 2001, after being detained for fighting with the Taliban. The men were taken by Slovakia, because China would not take them.
I'm certainly willing to entertain this line of speculation, but at this point it seems most odd that IF some Uighur group made such a claim [and it was ignored by the World], they would not make the claim over and over again, until it was 'heard'. Their prime target would logically be China - and it is possible that China has 'heard' it loud and clear, but is playing deaf. I find it hard to imagine how one person on a flight, no matter how well trained, could have effected what apparently happened. The more one learns about this event, the more one grasps that whoever [singular, but much more likely plural] engineered this was very, very aware of the technical aspects of the plane and its systems, as well as flight protocol. The last seemingly innocuous voice message heard from the plane was just after one of two systems had been turned off - and the other was turned off just after the 'innocuous' message. The message was timed when the airliner was about to be handed from Malay to Vietnamese Airtraffic Controllers. It is not strange that the Vietnamese did not quickly react, as it is normal that a plane entering their airspace on a normal flight would wait some time to make contact. This allowed those in control of the plane time to change the flight path unknown to anyone on the ground [by usual means]. I find it hard to believe that one or even a group of Uighur's had the sophisticated knowledge to do this - and find it more plausible they would attempt something like this on an Air China plane.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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