Lyndon Johnson and Mac Wallace - by Joan Mellen

[Tom Bowden]

Jay did not have the final Pegues manuscript, Joan is correct that the Peques document did not have a lot of useful information. She may have also been thrown off by his language, which was very vulgar. Remember Peques was getting most of his information from BSE and I was using the same source. I know that Jay had a disagreement with Lyle Sardi. Lyle did have a signed document from Peques's mother and she gave him some of the remaining information. Jay introduced me to John Kinser's relative and we had a long discussion.

I discussed the BSE girl friend with BSE. I know Jay felt that it was one of the reasons, someone would want to kill Peques. When BSE was upset, his eyes would literally change from blue to a beady eyed black. During my long discussions with him, they did in fact make the change One of them was the discussion of his girlfriend. It was not as violent reaction as to other subjects when he threaten to feed me carbon monoxide. I lost count of the times he brought up that subject.

BSE gave me keys to search his files, which were in an old house outside Abilene. He knew I collected the information in my possession. At times he gave me bullshit information and other times he was candid. He did not have tapes from the sixties. I have proof of that. He did tape people after he was out of prison the first time. In fact he taped even his closest associates. I saw those tapes and heard some of them. BSE would rather tell a lie than the truth even if the truth sounded better.

[Dawn Meredith]

Jay did not have the final Pegues manuscript, Joan is correct that the Peques document did not have a lot of useful information. She may have also been thrown off by his language, which was very vulgar. Remember Peques was getting most of his information from BSE and I was using the same source. I know that Jay had a disagreement with Lyle Sardi. Lyle did have a signed document from Peques's mother and she gave him some of the remaining information. Jay introduced me to John Kinser's relative and we had a long discussion.

I discussed the BSE girl friend with BSE. I know Jay felt that it was one of the reasons, someone would want to kill Peques. When BSE was upset, his eyes would literally change from blue to a beady eyed black. During my long discussions with him, they did in fact make the change One of them was the discussion of his girlfriend. It was not as violent reaction as to other subjects when he threaten to feed me carbon monoxide. I lost count of the times he brought up that subject.

BSE gave me keys to search his files, which were in an old house outside Abilene. He knew I collected the information in my possession. At times he gave me bullshit information and other times he was candid. He did not have tapes from the sixties. I have proof of that. He did tape people after he was out of prison the first time. In fact he taped even his closest associates. I saw those tapes and heard some of them. BSE would rather tell a lie than the truth even if the truth sounded better.

A disagreement is an understatement. Sardie was emailing and harassing him. I had to write him a legal cease and desist letter in order to get him to leave J alone. (It worked). Did you see the first copy of his video? Beyond awful. Even the final copy, which J gave me, is pretty bad. Did you know that just before Peagues' untimely heart attack he had made contact with- I think- a daughter of Mac? He and J were to meet in Dallas at a time certain and SP was not there, as he was dead.
I wonder IF there are really tapes? And if so where? I know that Henry Marshall was convinced, and his "suicide" was insane. Tx Ranger Clint Peoples was equally convinced.
In my opinion Wallace killed people for LBJ.

[Tom Bowden]

I wonder IF there are really tapes? And if so where? I know that Henry Marshall was convinced, and his "suicide" was insane. Tx Ranger Clint Peoples was equally convinced.
In my opinion Wallace killed people for LBJ.

I know the tapes from the sixties did not exist. BSE had a TI engineer design a telephone system for his home and office. This system allowed him to answer the phone in either place. I have the memo concerning that system and there is no mention of recordings. In addition, BSE and Kyle Brown consistently called them cassettes. Brown supposedly had possession of them at age 18. I asked Brown on tape what size the tapes were. He indicated they were cassette size. When I told him the cassette was not available at the time and reel to reel was. He immediately changed his story to reels. He is not truthful.

I have BSE's personal telephone list from 1961. There are more phone numbers listed for Ralph Yarbrough than Johnson. I also have his telephone logs from those years.

Are you aware Clint Peoples was writing a book about the assassination at the time of his death? His former secretary would not give me a copy of it. SHe was afraid of consequences. In his testimony before the grand jury, he was not really supportive of BSE's claims on the Kennedy assassination. The grand jury was convened to fulfill a promise the DA had made to the Marshall Family. His only interest was to change the death certificate from suicide to homicide. I discussed with him my belief that BSE or his brother was at the murder and he was not interested in pursuing it.

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

[Peter Lemkin]

[quote=Tom Bowden]

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

I was not involved, but speculate and ask those who were if Jay might not have been afraid that mention of Nathan's name would place him more in danger than in the path of pesky researchers, etc.? Many strange deaths, and events to scare off others, have happened along the 'way' on the JFK matter!

[Tom Bowden]

[quote=Tom Bowden]

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

I was not involved, but speculate and ask those who were if Jay might not have been afraid that mention of Nathan's name would place him more in danger than in the path of pesky researchers, etc.? Many strange deaths, and events to scare off others, have happened along the 'way' on the JFK matter!

Yes I believe that fear was more emphasized in Jay's mind. I was surprised that he posed with his group at the press conference, however, it was with the understanding we would not release the picture. I was even more surprised when he agreed to be on camera for the documentary He may have been influenced by Nathan's decision to expose himself.

I was expressing my own beliefs in my former statement. Too many times, the more amateur researchers would bother witnesses. I was told this by multiple people. Everyone was trying to solve the crime of the century by any means possible and gain their minute of fame.

I was in the public's eye for many years as a conspiracy believer. When we opened the museum, NYT did a half page article and CNN put an hourly segment on their 24 cycle. Shortly after that I had the building scanned for electronic bugs and discovered the phone lines were tapped. A telephone company employee verified that it was a government tap. For the rest of time, we scanned monthly and I used a special line through another company for confidential phone calls. The museum lines were tapped for the entire time we were open.

[Dawn Meredith]

[quote=Tom Bowden]

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

I was not involved, but speculate and ask those who were if Jay might not have been afraid that mention of Nathan's name would place him more in danger than in the path of pesky researchers, etc.? Many strange deaths, and events to scare off others, have happened along the 'way' on the JFK matter!

But it was Nathan's decision to make, not Jay's. And being outed by Richard Bartholomew never caused any danger or harassment to Nathan. Except when his home was entered in 03 and the box under his bed containing all his material on Mac Wallace was the only thing taken. That did scare him. For all his brilliance J made the wrong call on this one. It made the press conference a joke. Thank you Tom for hosting it. I knew that back at the time but did not know you.

[Dawn Meredith]

[quote=Tom Bowden]

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

I was not involved, but speculate and ask those who were if Jay might not have been afraid that mention of Nathan's name would place him more in danger than in the path of pesky researchers, etc.? Many strange deaths, and events to scare off others, have happened along the 'way' on the JFK matter!

Yes I believe that fear was more emphasized in Jay's mind. I was surprised that he posed with his group at the press conference, however, it was with the understanding we would not release the picture. I was even more surprised when he agreed to be on camera for the documentary He may have been influenced by Nathan's decision to expose himself.

I was expressing my own beliefs in my former statement. Too many times, the more amateur researchers would bother witnesses. I was told this by multiple people. Everyone was trying to solve the crime of the century by any means possible and gain their minute of fame.

I was in the public's eye for many years as a conspiracy believer. When we opened the museum, NYT did a half page article and CNN put an hourly segment on their 24 cycle. Shortly after that I had the building scanned for electronic bugs and discovered the phone lines were tapped. A telephone company employee verified that it was a government tap. For the rest of time, we scanned monthly and I used a special line through another company for confidential phone calls. The museum lines were tapped for the entire time we were open.

WOW you got MSM coverage. And government taps. Now why would they do that? ::trenchcoatspy::

[Peter Lemkin]

[quote=Tom Bowden]

BTW I can understand Jay's reluctance to give out Nathan's name. I have seen too many instances of conspiracy believers bothering the hell out of witnesses without regard for their privacy and in many times going beyond common courtesy.

I was not involved, but speculate and ask those who were if Jay might not have been afraid that mention of Nathan's name would place him more in danger than in the path of pesky researchers, etc.? Many strange deaths, and events to scare off others, have happened along the 'way' on the JFK matter!

But it was Nathan's decision to make, not Jay's. And being outed by Richard Bartholomew never caused any danger or harassment to Nathan. Except when his home was entered in 03 and the box under his bed containing all his material on Mac Wallace was the only thing taken. That did scare him. For all his brilliance J made the wrong call on this one. It made the press conference a joke. Thank you Tom for hosting it. I knew that back at the time but did not know you.

Well, let's get down to brass tacks. Who could have wanted to, and had the ability to break into ND's home and take his Wallace-related files? LBJ was long dead by then; Wallace was too. Could it have been the Ivy Leaguers at CIA?!...or MI? or FBI? I'd guess it had to be one of those three.

[Drew Phipps]

If that occurred here in Austin, I might be able to get the police report. If you know the date of the break in and his address at the time, I'll see what I can do.

[Tom Bowden]

[quote=Dawn Meredith][quote=Peter Lemkin][quote=Tom Bowden]


Well, let's get down to brass tacks. Who could have wanted to, and had the ability to break into ND's home and take his Wallace-related files? LBJ was long dead by then; Wallace was too. Could it have been the Ivy Leaguers at CIA?!...or MI? or FBI? I'd guess it had to be one of those three.

well you are leaving out another possible tack….the Johnson Family. I have reason to believe and interviews with Mexican Mafia who told me that Walter Jenkins was behind the arrangement where BSE was charged with rape and not allowed to testify at the Austin hearing to change the Death certificate from Suicide to homicide on Marshall. The rape charge was covered in Abiliene newspapers and he was subsequently cleared because the rape kit contained sperm and BSE had had a vasectomy. The charge was leveled by BSE's mexican housekeeper. The Mexican drug lord in ojinaqa (sp) told me the Mexican that hired the girl was paid by Walter Jenkins. Subsequently, both of them were murdered in Mexico after the girl returned. I was not allowed to tape that conversation but it occurred in Mexico and the person was in charge of bringing drugs across in the La Paz area. The Johnson family has protected the legacy of LBJ in many ways as those who have researched to the Library are aware.