Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear

[Tom Scully]

When I read the word, "alteration," all I can see is the word, "Fetzer".

Tom - this is your problem not ours... Jim was correct about an awful lot before jumping the shark... that you simply do not accept alteration, regardless of the evidence, is once again YOUR PROBLEM, not ours until you come here telling us what to think, post and discuss so YOU can join in. .......
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Let's look at your rebuttal... Roberts says in an affidavit that the police arrived "about 30 minutes later" - she was mistaken about the time frame

Mr. BALL. After he left the house and at s[B]ometime later in the afternoon,[/B] these police officers came out, did they?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, yes.

Regarding the 1:04 time where you like to her testimony - she says:

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say because
Mr. BALL.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.

They didn't have Oswald on TV until a bit later in the afternoon - AFTER he was captured so AFTER 2pm... Are you simply trying to say that witnesses and their timings can be off? What does that have to do with the alteration of the Zfilm?

Mr. BALL. After he left the house and at sometime later in the afternoon, these police officers came out, did they?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, yes.
Mr. BALL. And they asked you if there was a man named Lee Oswald there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.
Mr. BALL And you told them "No"?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Then what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, he was trying to make us understand that-I had two new men and they told me--Mrs. Johnson told me, "Go get your keys and let them see in" I had gone to the back and they still had the TV on, and they was broadcasting about Kennedy.
Just as I unlocked the doors Fritz' men, two of them had walked in and she come running in and said, "Oh, Roberts, come here quick. This is this fellow Lee in this little room next to yours," and they flashed him on television, is how come us to know.

....One of the earliest corroborative pieces would be Earlene Roberts and both landlords swearing up and down that the Dallas police were at their place just after 1:30. That would be before Oswald's actual arrest. However the official record has Bill Alexander showing up with the warrant a little after 4pm. ......

David,

Who is "us"? I was not replying to you. I thought it worth my time to attempt to persuade Brian not to engage in a
double standard I cannot avoid regarding as hypocritical. I try to keep on myself a burden of proof I demand of the DPD, FBI, CIA, and the WC. I cannot fathom what burden of proof you constrain yourself to. You assume a lot, as far as what is or is not compelling evidence supporting your own conclusions, or am I mistaking "style" for conclusions. If you conclude, instead of embracing a strong suspicion that the Z-film has been altered, or the BYP, for that matter, I have to part ways with you if I am to maintain a standard of proof I do hold the government agencies I mentioned above, to.

The WC made ridiculous claims, GHW Bush made ridiculous claims in his 2007 eulogy to Gerry Ford. They got there
by making extraordinary but poorly supported claims. I see not upside to behaving similarly.

BTW, Mrs. Roberts and the Johnson were ridiculous witnesses, where it mattered most. Your "until a bit later," is laughable. I was correcting Brian's observations about the quality and reliability of the timing claimed in the testimony/statements of those three witnesses. Earline Roberts was off by almost 90 minutes, in the 5 Dec., 1963 FBI 302 attributed to her, with regard to the time DPD plain clothes officers first appeared at the Johnson's front door, just after 3:00 pm.

Perhaps you missed this, I did provide a link to it in my last post. Do you weigh witness provided details of two weeks after they happened much differently than you weigh them if they are first stated fifty years after they were experienced?
[URL="http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/pdf/WH7_Roberts_aff.pdf"]http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/pdf/WH7_Roberts_aff.pdf
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Are you saying you think Det. Potts arrived at 1026 closer to 2:00 than 3:00 and hung around doing nothing until shortly after 3:00 when Oswald's image was first broadcast on television, or that Oswald's image was first broadcast sometime earlier? I'd enjoy seeing you post links to primary sources supporting an earlier broadcast timeline or an actual earlier than 3:00 arrival by Det. Potts or any other LE at 1026 N. Beckley.

I also provided a link to these in my last post.:

TESTIMONY OF WALTER EUGENE POTTS
Mr. BALL. And did you hear on the radio the President had been shot?
Mr. POTTS. ........
We went on back home and I called the office immediately and talked to Detective Baker, he's a lieutenant now, and he said he was calling all the men back and I started to get dressed--get ready, and I told him I would be there as soon as I could, and I got dressed and got there within the hour, which was around 2 or before.
Mr. BALL. What did you do when you first got there?
Mr. POTTS. When I was walking across the street there, I parked my car over at the Scottish Rite parking lot there and it's the Masonic lot and when I come across the street there at Commerce and Harwood this officer on the corner there said, "Did you hear about Tippit getting killed?" I said, "No; I didn't hear about that." He said, "Yes; I understand he got killed on a disturbance call over in Oak Cliff." That's the first I had heard about Tippit and when I got to the office, I walked in and Baker told me, "We have some people here from the Texas School Book Depository--there are four or five of them back there," and he said, "Would you go back there and take some affidavits from them?" And I said, "Sure," and I went back there and took one from this Arce, and I was in the process of taking one from this Jack Dougherty when I heard some officers coming in the door there, and I heard one of them say, "We've got the man that killed Tippit."
So, they brought him on back in while we were sitting back in the squadroom and I was sitting back there with Dougherty and Arce, and they came by and put him in the side interrogation room back there. As you walk in the door, there is an interrogation room right straight ahead and then you turn right to

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go back in the squadroom and you go on back in the squadroom, and this Mr. Dougherty looked at me and he said, "I know that man."
He said, "He works down there in that building--the Texas School Book Depository Building." He said, "I don't know his name, but I know him." So did Arce he said, "Yes, he works down there."
So, I went ahead and took those affidavits from them--from those people and we got them notarized.
Mr. BALL. You mean Arce and Dougherty?
Mr. POTTS. Arce and Dougherty. There were some more officers back there taking affidavits from some of the others--some of those other people I don't know--you know, time and all the confusion around there, you don't exactly know what time, but my partner, Bill Senkel, and F. M. Turner--we work a three-man squad, and Bill came around and he talked to Captain Fritz, and he said "Come on, let's go. We are going out to 1026 North Beckley."
He came around and told me, he said--he asked me if I had finished taking the affidavits, and I told him, "Yes," and he said, "Captain Fritz wants you and I to go out to Oswald's or Hidell's or Oswald's room."
On his person--he must have had--he did have identification with the name Alex Hidell and Oswald---Lee Harvey Oswald, but Lt. E. L. Cunningham of the forgery bureau, who used to be a member of the homicide and robbery bureau before he made lieutenant, he went with us and we went out there.
Mr. BALL. Before you went out there, did you get a search warrant?
Mr. POTTS. No; we didn't--we didn't get a search warrant at that time. We went to the location and talked to the people there. ...

......Mr. BALL. Did you check their registration books?
Mr. POTTS. Yes, sir; we looked at the registration book--Senkel, I think, or Cunningham--well, we all looked through the registration book and there wasn't anyone by that name, and the television was on in the living room. There's an area there where the roomers sit, I guess it's the living quarters--it flashed Oswald's picture on there and one of the women, either Mrs. Roberts or Mrs. Johnson said, "That's the man that lives here. That's Mr. Lee---O.H. Lee." She said, "His room is right here right off of the living room."
Senkel or Cunningham, one of them, called the office and they said that Turner was en route with a search warrant and we waited there until 4:30 or 5 that afternoon. We got out there about 3.
Mr. BALL. You waited there in the home?
Mr. POTTS. We waited there in the living quarters.
Mr. BALL. You did not go into the small room that had been rented by Lee?
Mr. POTTS. No; we didn't--we didn't search the room at all until we got the warrant. ......

Testimony Of J. W. Fritz
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Mr. BALL. All right.
Now, Captain, about what time did you first bring him to your office?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see, I have it right here. Oswald was arrested at 1:40 and I think he was taken to the city hall about 2:15 and I started talking to him probably a little bit after that.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Don't you have a time marked in your report there?
Mr. FRITZ. I think so.
Mr. BALL. Of 2:25.
Mr. FRITZ. 2:25?
Mr. BALL. On page 237 of your report, your report of Sims and Boyd refers to a time that he was brought to your room, and I believe 165.
Mr. FRITZ. My report, my report should have a report right there that should show it. This shows here 2:15 and I don't think that is right.
Mr. BALL. Mr. Baker's report on 165 gives the time also.
Mr. FRITZ. The nearest that I have here then would be shortly after 2:15 p.m.
Mr. BALL. You will notice that Sims and Boyd make it, state they brought him from the conference room to your office at about 2:20.
Mr. FRITZ. That might be all right because I have 2:15 here but I think 2:15 may be 5 or 10 minutes too early.
Mr. BALL. It was soon after you got there?
Mr. FRITZ. Soon after I got there. .....
.......Mr. BALL. Did you ask him anything about his address or did he volunteer the address?
Mr. FRITZ. He volunteered the address at Beckley?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. FRITZ. Well, I will tell you, whether we asked him or told him one, he never did deny it, he never did deny the Beckley Street address at all. The only thing was he didn't know whether it was north or south.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him whether it was north or south?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, but he didn't know. But from the description of surroundings we could tell it was North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Up to that time you hadn't sent any men out to North Beckley, had you?
Mr. FRITZ. Well, I sent them out there real soon and Officer Potts called me back from out there and talked to me on the telephone and gave me a report from out there on the telephone, and I am sure that that is the time that he told me about the way he was registered, and I asked Oswald about why he was registered under this other name.
Mr. BALL. What other name?
Mr. FRITZ. Of O. L. Lee.
Mr. BALL. O. H. Lee?
Mr. FRITZ. O. H. Lee. He said, well, the lady didn't understand him, she put it down there and he just left it that way.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him whether he had signed his name O. H. Lee?
Mr. FRITZ. No, I hadn't asked him.......
.......Mr. BALL. Now, in this first conversation he told you that he had lived at 1026 Beckley, didn't he?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. He didn't know whether it was north or south.
Mr. BALL. And you sent a group of officers out there to search that address?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; that is right.
Mr. BALL. Before you talked to him the second time you had talked to Ports on the telephone, had you not?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I had.
Mr. BALL. He told you what he had done?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. I should have remembered that when I talked to you this morning.....

Can you consider how Det. Potts's testimony is supported by known events? At 12:30 pm he was enjoying his day off and he and his wife returned home after hearing the news. He arrived at DPD at approx. 2:00 pm. He expended time with Arce and Dougherty. There are supporting details in the relevant portion of Fritz's testimony. I linked in my last post to Bill Kelly's timeline indicating when Oswald's image was first broadcast locally and the 3:13 pm time matches what I observed reviewing youtube footage and it aligns with Det. Potts' testimony, but not with the testimony of Mrs. Roberts or of the Johnsons.

Again, David, I was replying in my last post to what I had read in Brian's post. That reply addressed what Brian observed about the
Roberts and Johnson testimony or statements.