25-03-2017, 08:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 25-03-2017, 08:17 AM by Tom Scully.)
Jim, nothing would please me more than actually having a discussion in this thread, one in which facts restrain passions.
Please ask questions. I keep being impressed with the idea that Stone made a movie about a CIA production, a production in
which all key players were actually on the same side. A brilliant distraction directed and front financed by Willard E. Robertson.
Jim, I put into practice my commitment to fight the good fight. As you can see, I was shot down in my following effort to edit in what seems to me to be reliable and significant. I ardently attempt to maintain a perspective open to considering all information, much of which a less involved student of these controversies might chalk up to an outsized parade of coincidences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...=578382128
Harold Weisberg was taken in (blinded) by both Paul Rothermel and by Jesse Core
Please ask questions. I keep being impressed with the idea that Stone made a movie about a CIA production, a production in
which all key players were actually on the same side. A brilliant distraction directed and front financed by Willard E. Robertson.
Quote:https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kenne...d-the-arrb
Max Holland and Donald Carpenter vs. Jim Garrison and the ARRB
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......But actually it's even worse than that. As Joan Mellen later discovered, the CIA had hidden away documents that proved that Shaw was a highly paid, valuable contract agent from early in the fifties. This document was not declassified until a historical review program did so in the nineties. (Joan Mellen, Our Man in Haiti, pp. 54-55) This information corresponds with what Gordon Novel revealed in a written communication made back in the seventies. There he wrote that, back in 1964, the CIA had sent out an order through Director of Security Howard Osborn to conceal Shaw's true Agency status from inquiries into the JFK murder. To say this tactic was successful does not really do it justice. But it shows the price the public must pay for the almost maniacal secrecy the national security state demands.......
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Quote:http://www.washingtondecoded.com/site/20....html#more
by Donald H. Carpenter
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In the late 1980s, Garrison wrote his own account of the case, On the Trail of the Assassins, to no acclaim. The book was riddled with striking inaccuracies and outright lies. Garrison placed himself in the courtroom when Clay Shaw took the stand, when in fact he had absented himself and declined to cross-examine the alleged mastermind of the conspiracy. Garrison also pretended that he had only found out after the 1969 trial about Shaw's alleged work as a CIA operativeeven though a journal kept by Life's Richard Billings irrefutably proves the DA learned about this spurious allegation very soon after the Paese Sera article was published in March 1967.[6]......
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The one salutary effect the film had was to pressure Congress into enacting the John F. Kennedy Assassination Materials Act of 1992, which eventually resulted in the declassification of nearly all federal records pertaining to the assassination. Today these records are preserved (along with archival documents from other sources) in a special collection at the National Archives. The FBI, CIA, House Select Committee on Assassinations, and Justice Department documents have not been kind to Garrison. Together with the letters of Clay Shaw and Garrison's own records, the paper trail damns the prosecutor who perpetrated this crime against an innocent man.....
Jim, I put into practice my commitment to fight the good fight. As you can see, I was shot down in my following effort to edit in what seems to me to be reliable and significant. I ardently attempt to maintain a perspective open to considering all information, much of which a less involved student of these controversies might chalk up to an outsized parade of coincidences.
Tom Scully Wrote:........https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...tagfilter=
.......Facts - C.D. Jackson was very intelligent and an opportunist.
These attributes did not escape the notice of Henry Luce and likely also not the notice of two older Hill school classmates who roomed together at Princeton for two years, Walker Brainerd Spencer and Philip Grandin Strong.
In 1927 Spencer was best man in the New Orleans wedding of his lifelong friend, CIA's William P. Burke. In 1954, Philip G. Strong set in motion through meetings with his friend Kelly Johnson and a memo to Allen Dulles the development of an airplane
that earned Phil Strong the title, "Father of the U2".
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...0000621349.pdf
Approved for release 09/23/2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...=578382128
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clay_...to_the_DCS.
Is this Revert misleading? Aftermath: ......Americans (businessmen, journalists, etc.) had provided such information to the DCS.[edit]
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I edited the Aftermath section because in a 1992 CIA document released in 1998, "in 1992, J. Kenneth McDonald, a CIA historian, wrote a memo based on his review of CIA records, released in 1998, stating Shaw had been a "highly paid CIA contract source." Administrator Gamaliel promptly relegated this contraty opinion of Shaw's volunteer status to the basement and actually added this comment to his "undid revision" of my edit. "(→‎Further reading: rm unrelated or low quality sources)" Gamaliel, author of John C. McAdams took action to maintain this ".Americans (businessmen, journalists, etc.) had provided such information to the DCS. (as volunteers)" in lieu of a determination made and written in 1992 by a CIA historian privy to review of classified information in CIA records, in a CIA document kept classified until 1998, available at a link I had edited in.
Will the information and supporting cites Gamaliel and John C. McAdams agree with be displayed prominently while equally or better sourced information is displayed less prominenlty in wikipedia articles, or not at all? Ruidoso (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I always thought this content is totally irrelevant: "By the mid-1970s, 150,000 Americans (businessmen, and journalists, etc.) had provided such information to the DCS." This statement feels like wikipedia is biased towards Shaw. Not encyclopaedic. usernamekiran (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2017 (UTC) usernamekiran (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Harold Weisberg was taken in (blinded) by both Paul Rothermel and by Jesse Core
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.