The Tippit Case in the New Millenium

[David Josephs]

James Lateer[/COLOR]]

I would really like to know the consensus opinion of specialists like Mr. Josephs and other forensic-oriented researchers as to whether Oswald's apprehension and presence in the DPD for two days was (A) part of the plan or (B) evidence of a screw-up.

Just off the top of my head, it would seem like a screw up. But I don't have a lot of details to back that up one way or another.

James Lateer

I'm blushing... ::bowtie::


As a third Generation player you must know I stand on the shoulders of 2 great generations of researchers, authors and the like. While I do feel I've uncovered a few new things in my time... without the pioneering work of a list of people too long to post... I'd still be filing FOIA just to see a document - 3 years later....


Your question strikes at the heart of the results we see from that event...

I think using the phrase "part of the plan" invokes an authority none of us has... that of a COVERT OPS planner.

Furthermore, the desired outcome of any plan depends on which level of the assassination structure you ask: Mechanic (to kill), Facilitator (enable the mechanics & frame the patsy), SPONSOR (insure the plan succeeds and no Facilitator or Mechanic is prosecuted unless desired) (paraphrase of a Michael Evica & Charles Drago concept)

So how'd they do?

Mechanic - JFK was killed... success... I think we'd put the mafia and/or Cuban assassins in this role
Facilitator - JFK dies and a Patsy was arrested (a question you may ask yourself is: do you believe if TIPPIT was put in a position requiring him to kill Oswald, he failed... or were the person(s) he stumbled upon in front of his 2nd home on 10th street people he knew which allowed him to be killed?) To me, if it was Oswald walking down 10th from the east, toward Tippit.. killing him would be straight forward. that's another reason I don't see Oswald on 10th...
Sponsor - those who lived at this level can be divided into 2 groups... the SPONSOR like a Curtis Lemay who insured Bethesda concluded what it needed more like a Facilitator... and then those who had the gravitas to put things into motion as well as insure protection for those involved.... Some say Averill Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, the Texas Oilmen, Army Reserve Intelligence Colonels....

the point being, how can we ever hope to prove a Sponsor connection and what good does finding the Facilitators do to our understanding? The CIA's Phillips, Hunt, and the gang were the Facilitators and were amazingly effective at stopping the investigation there... in the minutia of the case... while those who shape the world move on to other matters....

I think most of us can argue both sides of your question pretty effectively and with evidence that supports it...

Before Fritz goes into talk with Oswald the first time he stops off at Sheriff Decker's office.... while we are not sure what is said, what we KNOW is that one of the largest Homicide departments in the country does not tape record or provide a stenographer for Oswald's interrogations....

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I'd highly recommend reading Prouty's SECRET TEAM https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/
and if you haven't Salandria/ https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FalseMy...tents.html with an essay by E. Martin Schotz including this:

When the Waters Were Changed

Once upon a time Khidr, the Teacher of Moses, called upon mankind with a warning. At a certain date, he said, all the water in the world which had not been specially hoarded, would disappear. It would then be renewed with different water, which would drive men mad.

Only one man listened to the meaning of this advice. He collected water, went to a secure place where he stored it, and waited for the water to change its character.

On the appointed date the streams stopped running, the wells went dry, and the man who had listened, seeing this happening, went to his retreat and drank his preserved water.

When he saw, from his security, the waterfalls again beginning to flow, this man descended among the other sons of men. He found that they were thinking and talking in an entirely different way from before; yet they had no memory of what had happened, nor of having been warned. When he tried to talk to them, he realized that they thought that he was mad, and they showed hostility or compassion, not understanding.

At first he drank none of the new water, but went back to his concealment, to draw on his supplies, every day. Finally, however, he took the decision to drink the new water because he could not bear the loneliness of living, behaving and thinking in a different way from everyone else. He drank the new water, and became like the rest. Then he forgot all about his own store of special water, and his fellows began to look upon him as a madman who had miraculously been restored to sanity.


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and Finally, One can use SUN TZU to gain an appreciation of the planner's skills:

18. All warfare is based on deception.

19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.

22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

23. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

24. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

25. These military devices, leading to victory, must not be divulged beforehand.

26. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose.

Likewise, the last section of the ART of WAR is the use of SPIES:

20. Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants, the aides-de-camp, and door-keepers and sentries of the general in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.

21. The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become converted spies and available for our service.

22. It is through the information brought by the converted spy that we are able to acquire and employ local and inward spies.

23. It is owing to his information, again, that we can cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy.

24. Lastly, it is by his information that the surviving spy can be used on appointed occasions.

25. The end and aim of spying in all its five varieties is knowledge of the enemy; and this knowledge can only be derived, in the first instance, from the converted spy. Hence it is essential that the converted spy be treated with the utmost liberality.

26. Of old, the rise of the Yin dynasty was due to I Chih who had served under the Hsia. Likewise, the rise of the Chou dynasty was due to Lu Ya who had served under the Yin.

27. Hence it is only the enlightened ruler and the wise general who will use the highest intelligence of the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve great results. Spies are a most important element in water, because on them depends an army's ability to move.


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