CIA’s detailed study of the Hitler Plot was to be used against Castro

[Phil Dagosto]

To Mr. Dagosto: I thought I read that it was at Jackie's insistance, but I could be wrong.

"The 85-year-old had only been assigned to work on First Lady Jackie Kennedy's detail that day and spent years wracked with grief about whether he could have saved her husband."

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/histo...assination

This site seems to indicate that Hill was assigned to Jackie for a year AFTER 11-22-63 but not before. Frankly, I don't know the true picture on this issue.

This is completely wrong. I guess neither the Irish Times reporter nor you have read Clint Hill's book [URL="https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/mrs-kennedy-and-me-clint-hill/1104277516#/"]Mrs. Kennnedy and Me.
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If you had, you would know that Hill had been assigned to JBK for, I believe, the entirety of the Kennedy administration (if not entirely, then shortly after JFK took office).

But as for the other arguments you make about the possible cancellation of the Dallas trip, I'm pretty sure that the balance of your presentation is wide of the point:

Its actually you who are unfamiliar with the facts and have made unsupportable assertions concerning the SS, the Chicago Plot and the Dallas trip.

JFK had made plans to attend the Army-Navy football game in Chicago in November, 2, 1963. The trip was called off and the excuse was used that JFK had to deal with the Coup against Diem. If he already "had tickets" to the Army-Navy game and the trip was called off, he would have to be given a reason. All the sources I have seen say that the Diem Coup story was just a cover. When you add the Tampa scare on top of that along with the violence against Adlai Stevenson in Dallas two weeks prior, then JFK would have had to be pretty dumb not to get the picture.

Its true that he was to attend the game. Its true that there was a plot uncovered by the FBI and SS that was eerily similar to what took place in Dallas three weeks hence, complete with a disaffected ex-Marine patsy. Its true that the trip was called off with a phony excuse (not sure if it was Diem or something else). But your unsupported assertion was that JFK could not call off more trips. You present no evidence for this only your own supposition. And I responded that he could have used the Adlai Stevenson incident as an excuse to do what many of his closest advisors had urged him to do - a point you apparently agree with. But now you're claiming to be able to read JFK's mind and say that he must have been aware that something was up . OF COURSE HE WAS! But that didn't just start with Dallas - he was always aware of the possibility of an overthrow (see under Crisis, Cuban Missile) or assassination attempt and discussed the subject often, including the eve of the actual event. WTF does that have to do with him not being able to cancel more trips (which is, again, an unsupported assertion) or your allegations about JBK's "foreknowledge" (another unsupported assertion). And you have failed to respond to the point I made about the SS burying the evidence of the Chicago plot and not informing the Dallas SS office or the Dallas Police.

As for the argument that if there was advance notice, then the Secret Service would have taken precautions, this stands logic on its head.

Really? How so?

Every indication was that the Secret Service were the assassins, or at least were the employers of the assassins.

Oh, sorry, I must have forgotten about that (LOL).

In my opinion, the evidence for that is overwhelming. Just read From An Office Building With A High Powered Rifle by FBI agent Don Adams. He makes it clear that the Secret Service tampered with his FBI research on the whereabouts of Joseph Milteer and his whereabouts on 11-22-63. Milteer, who had proven advance knowledge of the assassination, famously said "the more bodyguards he has, the easier to kill him."

Well, if you've read any of Vince Palamara's work you will agree with me that some people in the SS had to be complicit in stripping the security of the motorcade but to assert that they were the prime movers or employers of the assassins is just plain ludicrous. How can you possibly separate pure incompetence and dereliction of duty from criminal responsibility? If there was SS involvement it was most likely at the very top. Everyone else was just following orders. I seriously doubt that the plot involved agents drinking after hours. It probably did involve change to the motorcade route, changes to the motorcycle escort and lack of MI support but the agents on the detail would not have been included by the plotters in those decisions. In any case you initially argued that they were "all on notice, beyond any doubt". Now you're arguing that they were behind the plot!

I haven't read Adams' book but I think its a real stretch to go from Milteer having actual fore-knowledge of the assassination (a debatable point - anyone can engage in speculation or repeat idle chatter from people who wanted JFK killed but had no actual role in the event) to saying that the SS was behind the crime.

That can mean only one thing: the Secret Service were the killers.

Ummm, no - it means nothing of the kind. It's merely an observation that the more bodyguards one has the greater the probability that one or more can be co-opted. But there's no evidence whatsoever that any SS agent shot at Kennedy (outside of that silly accidental shooting scenario involving Hickey). How can you possibly make such a claim?

Additionally, when the shots rang out, the limo came to a stop. William Greer, the Secret Service Driver looked back at JFK when the car was almost stopped---not once, but twice. He clearly was making sure that JFK was dead.

Oh really? There's no alternate explanation such as he failed in his duty due to a complacency and never having experienced such and event? You don't think its possible that he had a quite natural reaction to his car being shot at and hit the brakes instead of doing what he was supposed to do and get the hell out of there? Did you somehow retroactively read his mind to determine his intent? How can you possibly know this?

After that, he sped to the hospital. Except for Clint Hill, none of the Secret Service agents in the follow-up car moved an inch.

One other agent (don't recall his name) started to jump off the follow up car but was ordered back by the driver Emory Roberts. The rest simply obeyed Roberts. Again, they failed in their duty but there's no way to ascribe any criminal intent to their inaction. Some of them may have been hung over and sleepy from their escapades from the night before. We have no way of knowing.

The Secret Service was trained to hit the gas pedal to the metal when they heard shots. Instead of doing that, Secret Service driver Greer looked back twice at the wounded JFK before he even moved the limo. Most people have concluded that the brake lights of the limo were on when the head shot occured.

Yes, all that is true. So what? How do you get from there to alleging that Greer deliberately stopped the car and didn't speed away until he know JFK was dead? Could he have been involved? Sure. Is there any actual proof of this? No.

I guess many people who read material on this site don't get (in my opinion) the real picture of the JFK hit, the advance warnings and the role of the Secret Service.

Well, the same could be said of you. I agree that there had to be some complicity by some SS personnel but I seriously doubt that field agents were involved. You're making exaggerated claims based on nothing more that supposition and conjecture. The "evidence" you supply simply doesn't support your conclusions. This type of argument is what gives assassination research a bad name.

In my opinion, there isn't any real doubt about that.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts. You've crossed that line repeatedly in this discussion.
James Lateer

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