12-10-2018, 05:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2018, 06:18 PM by David Josephs.)
Hi Ray... thanks for the reply and question...
Let's take a step back first...
the claim is that he left the TSBD and walked EAST on Elm.
Mr. BALL - Well then, do you remember picking up a passenger at a place other than at a bus stop as you went down Elm?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir.
As I left Field Street, I pulled out into the, in other words, the first lane of traffic and traffic was beginning to back up then; in other words, it was blocked further down the street, and after I pulled out in it for a short distance there I come to a complete stop, and when I did, someone come up and beat on the door of the bus, and that is about even with Griffin Street.
[size=12]Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - You said there was one man who closely resembled in height, weight and color?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right.
Mr. BALL - Do you know who that was?
Mr. McWATTERS - Just like I told them, I didn't know who was who or anything.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever learn who that person was?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I don't know whether that was really the man or not, I don't know.
She said, "Would you give me a transfer and I am going to walk on down," which is about from where I was at that time about 7 or 8 blocks to Union Station and she asked me if I would give her a transfer in case I did get through the traffic if I would pick her up on the way.
So, I said, "I sure will." So I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she was going out the gentleman I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a transfer and got off at the same place in the middle of the block where the lady did.
Mr. BALL - Where was that near, what intersection?
Mr. McWATTERS - It was the intersection near Lamar Street, it was near Poydras and Lamar Street. It is a short block, but the main intersection there is Lamar Street. [/SIZE]
Mr. BALL - Let me ask you this, though. Did you tell them the man, the smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus.
Mr. BALL - That stayed on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - That stayed on the bus.
Mr. BALL - And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and to whom you gave a transfer? Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
How does that jive with McWatters' Nov 22 affidavit? It doesn't... Griffin street is not "on Elm and Houston" but 6 blocks to the east.
There is no mention of WHERE the man gets off the bus... and the WOMAN doesn't come into the picture until he's reached MARSALIS which is in Oak Cliff and well after anyone is on or off this bus...
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Or his April 3 recanting of his March 12 testimony?
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In the recaps of Oswald's interrogations (WCR Appendix 11) we get a similar statement from some of the most important people in the room... that Oswald said he took a bus either all the way home or all the way to the theater..
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It is not until much later than the "rewrite" is done to add that instead of staying on the bus, he takes a taxi for the first time in his domestic life... and once again, we will see that each of those at the interrogation mentions his going home, changing his clothes and leaving...
How can BLEDSOE and WHALEY be describing what he wore to work when in fact they describe his arrest outfit AFTER he's changed... How would BLEDSOE know about missing buttons and a torn elbow if it had not happened yet?
Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. (DJ: ???)
He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.
Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it buttoned?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off.
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Add to this McWatter's recanting that it was Oswald on his bus and I am comfortable saying Oswald did not get onto McWatters' bus... He may in fact have gotten into Mrs. Paine's (other?) Nash Rambler...
IF... and I say If he got on this bus... the Marsalis bus... it would take him exactly where he was going... even all the way to Jefferson, if he did indeed USE THE TRANSFER as mentioned... it would tough to find it in his pocket later...no?
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As we discussed, Whaley changed his testimony about both NECHES and where he left his fare off... 700 N Beckley instead of 500...
700 N Beckley leaves a minute walk to 214 Neely...
500 N Beckley is where El Chico and TF White are.... when an Oswald who shouldn't have been seen, was.
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Whaley's trip starts off on an even weirder note... He says he turns LEFT onto Wood off Austin
Then I turned left on Wood off Austin and went straight on down Wood to Houston which is the street which we call the old viaduct.
Kinda strange.... is all...
You add this to the bogus bus ride and the addition of a jacket he didn't wear and a location that didn't exist and it appears to me that this evidence falls into the "after the fact incrimination of Oswald"
Let's take a step back first...
the claim is that he left the TSBD and walked EAST on Elm.
Mr. BALL - Well then, do you remember picking up a passenger at a place other than at a bus stop as you went down Elm?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir.
As I left Field Street, I pulled out into the, in other words, the first lane of traffic and traffic was beginning to back up then; in other words, it was blocked further down the street, and after I pulled out in it for a short distance there I come to a complete stop, and when I did, someone come up and beat on the door of the bus, and that is about even with Griffin Street.
[size=12]Mr. BALL - Anyway, you were not able to identify any man in the lineup as the passenger?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - As the passenger who had gotten on?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - You said there was one man who closely resembled in height, weight and color?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right.
Mr. BALL - Do you know who that was?
Mr. McWATTERS - Just like I told them, I didn't know who was who or anything.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever learn who that person was?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I don't know whether that was really the man or not, I don't know.
She said, "Would you give me a transfer and I am going to walk on down," which is about from where I was at that time about 7 or 8 blocks to Union Station and she asked me if I would give her a transfer in case I did get through the traffic if I would pick her up on the way.
So, I said, "I sure will." So I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she was going out the gentleman I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a transfer and got off at the same place in the middle of the block where the lady did.
Mr. BALL - Where was that near, what intersection?
Mr. McWATTERS - It was the intersection near Lamar Street, it was near Poydras and Lamar Street. It is a short block, but the main intersection there is Lamar Street. [/SIZE]
Mr. BALL - Let me ask you this, though. Did you tell them the man, the smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus.
Mr. BALL - That stayed on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - That stayed on the bus.
Mr. BALL - And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and to whom you gave a transfer? Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
How does that jive with McWatters' Nov 22 affidavit? It doesn't... Griffin street is not "on Elm and Houston" but 6 blocks to the east.
There is no mention of WHERE the man gets off the bus... and the WOMAN doesn't come into the picture until he's reached MARSALIS which is in Oak Cliff and well after anyone is on or off this bus...
Or his April 3 recanting of his March 12 testimony?
In the recaps of Oswald's interrogations (WCR Appendix 11) we get a similar statement from some of the most important people in the room... that Oswald said he took a bus either all the way home or all the way to the theater..
It is not until much later than the "rewrite" is done to add that instead of staying on the bus, he takes a taxi for the first time in his domestic life... and once again, we will see that each of those at the interrogation mentions his going home, changing his clothes and leaving...
How can BLEDSOE and WHALEY be describing what he wore to work when in fact they describe his arrest outfit AFTER he's changed... How would BLEDSOE know about missing buttons and a torn elbow if it had not happened yet?
Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. (DJ: ???)
He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.
Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it buttoned?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off.
Add to this McWatter's recanting that it was Oswald on his bus and I am comfortable saying Oswald did not get onto McWatters' bus... He may in fact have gotten into Mrs. Paine's (other?) Nash Rambler...
IF... and I say If he got on this bus... the Marsalis bus... it would take him exactly where he was going... even all the way to Jefferson, if he did indeed USE THE TRANSFER as mentioned... it would tough to find it in his pocket later...no?
As we discussed, Whaley changed his testimony about both NECHES and where he left his fare off... 700 N Beckley instead of 500...
700 N Beckley leaves a minute walk to 214 Neely...
500 N Beckley is where El Chico and TF White are.... when an Oswald who shouldn't have been seen, was.
Whaley's trip starts off on an even weirder note... He says he turns LEFT onto Wood off Austin
Then I turned left on Wood off Austin and went straight on down Wood to Houston which is the street which we call the old viaduct.
Kinda strange.... is all...
You add this to the bogus bus ride and the addition of a jacket he didn't wear and a location that didn't exist and it appears to me that this evidence falls into the "after the fact incrimination of Oswald"
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter

