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The Lunch Room Encounter
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The key to all this, Mr Gilbride, is seen in Captain Fritz's Warren Commission testimony...Captain Fritz was an old school southern sheriff who didn't like being ordered to lie by Yankee federals...When Commission lawyer Ball asked Fritz where Oswald said he was during the assassination Fritz didn't hesitate...He immediately responded that Oswald said he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room eating his lunch...Ball was shocked and immediately went in to damage control...Ball responded "Look at 136B"...Ball was suborning perjury and leading the witness back to the officially scripted story...Fritz doubled down by telling Ball that Oswald even confirmed it when he added that although he usually worked on the 1st Floor he was on the 2nd Floor that day...The reason why Ball limited it to just "Look at 136B" is because he didn't want to make it too obvious he was flagrantly guiding Fritz back to the official story...As conspiracy researchers and analysts we are supposed to look for clues like this, not bury them:



Mr Ball:  With reference to where he was at the time the president was shot, did he tell you what floor of the building he was on?

Captain Fritz:  I feel sure that he told me he was on the 2nd floor.

Mr Ball:  Look at 136B,

Captain Fritz:  All right sir.

Mr Ball:  Second paragraph down. 136B.

Captain Fritz:  Yes, sir; second floor, yes sir. He said he usually worked on the 1st floor. I asked him what part of the building when the president was shot. He said he was having lunch at about this time on the 1st floor.


A proper, non-Prayer Man analysis of this statement will yield that Fritz told Ball to his face that Oswald told him he was eating lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...If you pay careful attention Fritz reiterated by adding that Oswald even told him that although he usually worked on the 1st Floor he was on the 2nd Floor that day...If you are a credible, skilled researcher and not a Prayer Man advocate you will detect that Fritz admitted the truth here in his own way and got it across...He knew he wasn't going to get away with it so he reverted back to the 1st floor like Ball was trying to force him...But not before the damage was done...I assure you as a researcher who has intensely studied the assassination that this is the correct interpretation of what Fritz was doing there...But don't take my word for it, go to the Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty notes of the 3pm interrogation from which that statement from Oswald came...A proper analysis of that interrogation will show that all three sets of notes start 90 seconds after the assassination "When Officer Came In"...The reason for that is quite simple...It is because all three sets of notes clumsily removed Oswald telling them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...The research community has been brainwashed with bombardment of the Prayer Man version of those notes...Because of this no one has asked the simple question of why didn't the 3pm interrogation ask Oswald the most important question they could ask: "Where were you during the assassination?"...The simple answer is THEY DID ask Oswald that and he promptly told them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room eating lunch, like Oswald told Stanton, and Carolyn Arnold witnessed...If you view the notes from the 3pm interrogation they all bear the same conspicuous gap where they asked Oswald where he was during the assassination...That's why all three sets of notes all start at the Lunch Room Encounter...It is because all three sloppily excised Oswald telling them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room right before...This is why the authorities lied and said they took no notes...


Fritz gave the game away a second time in his Commission testimony when Ball asked him what Oswald was doing in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...Ball tried to bait Fritz by leading the witness and trying to get Fritz to confirm that Oswald "Was Up There" to get the Coca Cola from the 1st Floor...Fritz wouldn't take the bait and refused to give Ball what he was fishing for...Fritz responded "He said he had a Coca Cola"...Fritz was obviously intentionally trying to tell Ball that Oswald was in there the whole time and never "Went Up" (as Jack Dougherty confirmed to Gil Toff in 1971):


Captain Fritz:  Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.

Mr Ball:  Did you ask him what he was doing in the Lunch Room?

Captain Fritz:  He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.

Mr Ball:  Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?

Captain Fritz:  He said he had a Coca-Cola.



Again, if you are a responsible conspiracy researcher you will notice that, counter to what was claimed about Oswald saying he ate lunch on the 1st Floor in the official story, Fritz is once again confirming here that Oswald told the 3pm interrogators that he ate lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...The very place he told Sarah Stanton he was going and Carolyn Arnold witnessed...Carolyn Arnold witnessed Oswald eating that lunch at 12:25 and Buell Frazier said a cheese sandwich and apple were seen on that table after the assassination...Fritz is very obviously confirming that Oswald wasn't "Up There" to eat his lunch...Instead he was there the whole time...It is painfully obvious that if the Commission was on the up and up Ball would have immediately asked "Are you saying Oswald told you he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination?"...Any competent investigation would have asked that because of their knowledge of the Lunch Room Encounter shortly after to see if Oswald was in there the whole time...Instead Ball tries to lead Fritz back to the official script...


Bart Kamp and the Prayer Man people misquote the Hosty Notes and try to infer that "Went Out To Watch Presidential Parade" means Oswald was Prayer Man...Kamp is not honestly telling the reader that the time period being referred to in that quote is several minutes after the shots...


The clincher is the statement of James Hosty himself in Nigel Turner's 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy'...Hosty wanted to get the guilt off his shoulders so he looked in to Nigel Turner's camera lens and emphatically stated "Oswald told us he was in the Lunch Room during the assassination"...Let it be known that there is no doubt that what Hosty is saying there is Oswald told the 3pm interrogation that he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...The reason why Hosty doesn't specify which Lunch Room is because he knows it is the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and doesn't want to perjure himself...Bart Kamp himself found the Gil Toff interview in Malcolm Blunt's notes where Jack Dougherty said "Oswald was up eating his lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room while I ate my lunch down below in the Domino Room and Oswald wasn't there"...The Prayer Man people are perfectly aware of Hosty's statement to Nigel Turner...They ignore it...If Nigel Turner was more on the ball he would have immediately asked Hosty "Why didn't you include that in your notes?"...The obvious answer being because he knew it was Oswald's true location and exonerated him at the time...This indeed proves the 3pm interrogation removed that statement from their notes...In any case, once you see Hosty state with emphasis that Oswald told them he was in the Lunch Room during the assassination in 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' there is no way you can interpret "Went Out To Watch Presidential Parade" as meaning Oswald was Prayer Man...


The Lunch Room Encounter was real and Baker left it out of his 1st Day Affidavit because he knew it exonerated Oswald...


It appears that today's conspiracy researchers no longer participate in discussion of evidence...
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