Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

[David Josephs]

Sorry you can't follow along LR....

Keep at it, you'll get it eventually...

[LR Trotter]

Sorry you can't follow along LR....

Keep at it, you'll get it eventually...

​Not a question of can or can't, as for me it is a choice. Following to a dead end with no place to turn around requires backing up. So, nothing to "keep at", nor is there any "it" to get, regardless of the duration of eventually.

[David Josephs]

Sorry you can't follow along LR....

Keep at it, you'll get it eventually...

​Not a question of can or can't, as for me it is a choice. Following to a dead end with no place to turn around requires backing up. So, nothing to "keep at", nor is there any "it" to get, regardless of the duration of eventually.

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[Jim DiEugenio]

David included not one, not two, but three illustrations in the attachment.

These show that what Baker ultimately described does not match up with the physical arrangement inside the lunch room.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

If something is wrong with what he said, that is another matter. Then Trotter and Gilbride should point that out.

[LR Trotter]

David included not one, not two, but three illustrations in the attachment.

These show that what Baker ultimately described does not match up with the physical arrangement inside the lunch room.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

If something is wrong with what he said, that is another matter. Then Trotter and Gilbride should point that out.

Okay DiEugenio, are you really trying to insinuate that you are unaware of my severely limited posting status? Give me a break.

[David Josephs]

Bump - Baker's story does not work given the physical reality of that location..., and directly conflicts with the first day affidavit...

Here, say it with me, L - I - A - R... Nothing occurred on the 2nd floor landing or in that lunchroom...

This affidavit? I see no grounds for said assertions. All covered and discussed before. As expected at that time, an in general recanting of his experiences shortly before making the statement.

That's it? That's all you got?

You see no grounds for a Dallas Policeman to be honest when recalling an event on a legal document - signed no less?

You see no grounds for Baker being charged with perjury (

the offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath or affirmation.

) ?

Well you may not follow this argument, but anyone with a little common sense can....


BAKER is asked during his testimony to draw out where he was and what he did... that would be CE497... (Mrs Reid uses the same Exhibit)

Following CE497 are numbered photos of the 2nd floor as it was on 11/22....

BAKER doesn't seem able to keep the story straight....

1st, BAKER sees him "AT THIS DOORWAY"
Next BAKER sees him through the window walking away...

BELIN asks him to put a "B" where he was and then to draw a path... the one he took.
BELIN adds the "-1" and all is fine with the world until you actually compare what he said he did to the physical layout...

There is simply no way to see inside the lunchroom from the stairs... you need to be over where he placed the letter "B"...







Except you can't get there... and there would be no reason for BAKER to be eyeballing the window of a door which looked upon the vestibule... He'd be following TRULY up the stairs to the roof...

Even more amazing is WHY Baker even runs to the TSBD.... He has to ignore a direct order from Chief Curry for, as he puts it, "No, Sir. I had it----" yet he cuts himself off before he explains how he "had it" that the shots were up the street... enough so that he does not go to the one place everyone else is going... the RR yard.

Mr. BAKER - I heard Chief Curry, the chief of the police over there, say, "Get some men over on the railroad track." I think everyone at that time thought these shots came from the railroad track.
Mr. BELIN - By "everyone" do you include you, too?
Mr. BAKER - No, Sir. I had it--
I was in a better position due to the wind and you know under it, that I knew it was directly ahead, and up, and it either had to be this building here or this one over here.


But back to our story.... as you can see from the photo from inside the lunchroom looking out the little window... the only way to see into the lunchroom is to be standing in the middle of those boxes...

So LR... how about helping Dick explain this part away...

It truly becomes amazing what people will expect one to believe in order to accept the WCRBS....