06-04-2024, 03:46 PM
Helen Forrest's statement is a colloquial expression, indicating the man she saw looked similar to the accused assassin. She only caught a couple-seconds look as he ran down the grass and got into the Rambler. The person she saw (The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald. p. 154) was enhanced from a Jim Murray photo by Robert Groden (which isn't on Robin Unger's photo gallery). The blurry image resembles the Carousel Club Oswald, not an identical twin of the accused assassin.
Last spring we discussed in-depth the doppelgangers being in close proximity to each other during their Depository escape, in your thread Advancing Arnstrong Putting the Puzzle Pieces Together in the Lobby. For each sequence of your argument I had a cohesive rebuttal, which you ignored. I am not going to rehash that discussion and can only suggest that you read it again, SLOWLY. My view is that it is much simpler and straightforward to hypothesize that Lee Oswald went down the west freight elevator and out via the West Annex, and Harvey Oswald went from the lunchroom down the front lobby stairs, where he bumped into Pierce Allman.
So, even adding in Laura Kitrell's "remarkably similar", there isn't any justification at all for assuming the doppelgangers were identical twins. I'm much more comfortable attributing the similarity to family infidelities, as Doran alludes to, rather than a Brave New World projeckt to create "test tube" twins.
I find a definite physical similarity between the short woman next to Marguerite in the "about 1930" photo and the heavy-set woman at Exchange Place- i.e. that's how Aminthe Votier looked 25 years later. And why is this same woman claiming to be the mother of the defector three years later? And then is parading around as the mother of the accused assassin?
Maybe because she really was the accused assassin's biological mother? Thinking aloud, perhaps Marguerite and Aminthe received financial compensation around the time of the defection, to substitute for each other, since their sons were substituting for each other as defectors. And maybe the Murret family had originally suggested a dual role for the teenage doppelgangers in the military. I don't presume to know.
Marina had said that she thought Oswald sounded like he spoke with a Baltic accent when she first met him at the trade union dance. He had already been working at the Belorussian radio factory in Minsk for a year- might not he have taken on the inflection of one of his co-workers or friends from the nearby Baltic republics as he began to practice constant speaking of the language? I fail to see Marina's comment as indicative that he grew up in an earlier time in Eastern Europe.
And the Gardos connection doesn't necessitate that Harvey Oswald grew up in Eastern Europe. Although the frantic caller said she "knew Oswald's father and uncle who were Hungarians and Communists" who lived in the Yorkville section of Manhattan, isn't there a good likelihood that the imposter mother just told anyone who wondered that they were his father and uncle, when the actual father was dead [Robert Oswald Sr.] or back in Louisiana [his brother Harvey F. Oswald]?
I began private e-mail discussions with Doran back in 2010 regarding Armstrong's theory, and he sent me numerous unpublished analyses (as well as his Carswell material, some of which got published in the Dealey Plaza Echo) and we both agreed that if you want to make a doppelganger, biology is the way to go. Particular with the lookalikes at the ages we know about in the Oswald case- 13, 18, 24. It's next-to-impossible otherwise (i.e. matching a refugee from Eastern Europe with a kid from Louisiana; they won't look the same at each of those ages).
Last spring we discussed in-depth the doppelgangers being in close proximity to each other during their Depository escape, in your thread Advancing Arnstrong Putting the Puzzle Pieces Together in the Lobby. For each sequence of your argument I had a cohesive rebuttal, which you ignored. I am not going to rehash that discussion and can only suggest that you read it again, SLOWLY. My view is that it is much simpler and straightforward to hypothesize that Lee Oswald went down the west freight elevator and out via the West Annex, and Harvey Oswald went from the lunchroom down the front lobby stairs, where he bumped into Pierce Allman.
So, even adding in Laura Kitrell's "remarkably similar", there isn't any justification at all for assuming the doppelgangers were identical twins. I'm much more comfortable attributing the similarity to family infidelities, as Doran alludes to, rather than a Brave New World projeckt to create "test tube" twins.
I find a definite physical similarity between the short woman next to Marguerite in the "about 1930" photo and the heavy-set woman at Exchange Place- i.e. that's how Aminthe Votier looked 25 years later. And why is this same woman claiming to be the mother of the defector three years later? And then is parading around as the mother of the accused assassin?
Maybe because she really was the accused assassin's biological mother? Thinking aloud, perhaps Marguerite and Aminthe received financial compensation around the time of the defection, to substitute for each other, since their sons were substituting for each other as defectors. And maybe the Murret family had originally suggested a dual role for the teenage doppelgangers in the military. I don't presume to know.
Marina had said that she thought Oswald sounded like he spoke with a Baltic accent when she first met him at the trade union dance. He had already been working at the Belorussian radio factory in Minsk for a year- might not he have taken on the inflection of one of his co-workers or friends from the nearby Baltic republics as he began to practice constant speaking of the language? I fail to see Marina's comment as indicative that he grew up in an earlier time in Eastern Europe.
And the Gardos connection doesn't necessitate that Harvey Oswald grew up in Eastern Europe. Although the frantic caller said she "knew Oswald's father and uncle who were Hungarians and Communists" who lived in the Yorkville section of Manhattan, isn't there a good likelihood that the imposter mother just told anyone who wondered that they were his father and uncle, when the actual father was dead [Robert Oswald Sr.] or back in Louisiana [his brother Harvey F. Oswald]?
I began private e-mail discussions with Doran back in 2010 regarding Armstrong's theory, and he sent me numerous unpublished analyses (as well as his Carswell material, some of which got published in the Dealey Plaza Echo) and we both agreed that if you want to make a doppelganger, biology is the way to go. Particular with the lookalikes at the ages we know about in the Oswald case- 13, 18, 24. It's next-to-impossible otherwise (i.e. matching a refugee from Eastern Europe with a kid from Louisiana; they won't look the same at each of those ages).