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Who’s telling the truth: Clint Hill or the Zapruder film?
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You puzzle me, Albert, I must confess. Here you are taking for granted that the film is authentic, when that is the key question I am raising. We actually know it has been fabricated on multiple grounds, but the point seems to have not sunk in.

Have you read BLOODY TREASON, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE, MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA, THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX, or INSIDE THE ARRB, not to mention a half dozen articles such as "US Government Official: JFK Cover-Up, Film Fabrication"?

I ask because they are chock full of studies of the medical evidence by David W. Mantik, Charles Crenshaw, and Gary Aguilar, for example, and of the Zapruder film by David W. Mantik, Jack White, John P. Cosella, David Healy, and David Lifton.

Just to offer on illustration of why they should impact your analysis, one of the "smoking guns" in MURDER concerns the inconsistency between the angle of tilt of JFK's head and the official trajectory, which shows they cannot both be correct.

That occurs in the Prologue to MURDER on page 4. In the Preface to HOAX, I point out that Newsweek (22 November 1993) published an article showing the head shot as having occurred around 35 feet further west than the "X" mark on Elm Street.

That puts it about opposite the steps leading up to the pergola. Interestingly, as I explain in the text, Mantik believes that location is far more likely and is supported, for example, by early reenactment photographs, among other evidence.

That discussion occurs on page x. Since considerations like these make a rather substantial difference to the kind of rebuttal you are offering, my suggestion would be that you do more homework and then get back with a revised argument.

With regard to some of your more specific suggestions, the ejecta was all over the trunk and nauseated other Secret Service agents when they observed in on the limo in Washington, as I point out in HOAX on page 27, yet is missing in the film.

While the bullet entered at the right temple, it did not exit at the back of the head, but rather created shock waves that blew his brains out the back of his head with such force that Officer Hargis, impacted with the debris, thought he himself had been shot.

A more complete explanation would include that the tough membrane covering the cerebellum, the tentorium, has to have been ruptured in order for cerebellar tissue to have been extruding from the wound, according to Robert Livingston.

Bob was a world authority on the human brain and also an expert on wound ballistics. It was his inference that the bullet that hit JFK in the throat fragmented and part went upward and severed the tentorium, which thereby exposed the cerebeullum.

So JFK's death was actually brought about by the causal interaction of three shots: the shot to the throat, which severed the tentorium; the shot around the EOP, which weaked the back of his skull; and the frangible bullet that entered the right temple.

It did, of course, also blow open the skull flap, which is apparent in frame 374, in the HSCA diagram and photograph, and was described by Thomas Evan Robinson, the mortician, who mentioned it to Joe West when he interviewed him about the wounds.

A copy of Joe West's notes about the wound can be found in HOAX on page 9 of the Prologue but also in "Dealey Plaza Revisite: What Happened to JFK?", which you can find published here http://www.und.edu/instruct/jfkconference/ as Chapter 30.

Maybe you are onto something that David Mantik, for example, has overlooked. But since David's studies of the X-rays, which support the use of a frangible bullet, are in works that you do not appear to have read, it might be worth reviewing them.

Albert Doyle Wrote:
James H. Fetzer Wrote:Except there was an entry wound in the right temple and the X-rays show a pattern of tiny pieces of lead or, more likely, mercury that were distributed from the explosion of the frangible bullet that created the shock wave that blew his brains out to the left rear with such force that, when Officer Bobby Hargis, who was riding to the left rear, was hit with them, he initially thought that he himself had been shot. That Clint Hill observed a massive, gaping fist-sized hole in the back of his head does not suggest a shot from the rear. It is certainly not the position of David W. Mantik, John Costella, Jack White, Charles Crenshaw, David Lifton, David Healy or me.

I think you have a problem. There's something here right out in the open that you haven't accounted for. If Kennedy was hit by a Files-type frangible mercury-filled bullet in the right temple area there would be no doubt as to this wound at Parkland. There's no way you would see the intact head of hair you see in the photos. And there's no way all the people at Parkland would miss an exploding bullet wound to the front right.

There's a problem with your frangible bullet forensics. Kennedy's head was turned 23 degrees left at the time of the frame 313 head shot. Any shot from the Badgeman Knoll area would be nigh-on 90 degrees perpendicular. First, if you are claiming a temple entry wound from that angle the transit would be side to side through Kennedy's head instead of front to back. If you are claiming an exploding frangible bullet then there really is no transit. The exploding bullet would account for the blood fog seen in Zapruder. But you have to be careful because if you are claiming that the blood fog was forged you therefore can't use it to confirm a frangible bullet.

Another problem you have is the Parkland rear wound is being claimed to be the exit wound of a bullet shot from the front. I believe if you do scientific evaluation of frangible bullet behavior, you would find it unlikely that the exploding pattern of such a bullet would be able to create such a confined wound. Your problem is that the 23 degrees left position of Kennedy's head would mean any bullet fragment causing the Parkland wound would have to have shot 90 degrees left of its entry plane and then made a perfect hole while leaving the right front intact. And this is not the known behavior pattern of an exploding bullet.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is the section of skull and scalp Hill witnessed on the seat. If indeed that was a section of head blown-out by a shot from the front it would have been blasted-out and behind the car according to known shot behavior, but also according to known physical principles. If the rear wound plug was blasted-out of Kennedy's head by the kinetic force of an exiting gunshot the physical principles involved would mean that any force strong enough to break off the skull components in such a manner would have ejected them further according to the position of Kennedy's head. In my view any shot strong enough to blast a plug out of the rear of Kennedy's head is strong enough to shoot it onto the trunk. Unless it was the rearward force of a shot from behind - which would explain the lack of ejection. The skull pieces seen flying away in Zapruder are a good example of those forces acting directly in the outshoot direction. Brehm's skull piece flies 20 feet to the rear, yet the plug claimed to be evidence of an exiting shot only manages to plop down in place.

Again, you say the rear wound is evidence of Hargis's stinging ejecta, but the problem with that is the transit line of a temple entry shot to the rear exit wound, clearly located on the right side of the occiput in the McClelland drawing, doesn't line-up. With Kennedy's head turned 23 degrees left, if there was any such high-velocity ejecta it wouldn't have gone in Hargis direction according to the wound pattern. Also, it would seem the intact plug Hill witnessed plopped-down on the seat would conflict with materials exiting with force in the Hargis direction. So not only don't you have the bullet direction to create such a wound but you don't have the materials either.

In my opinion if the Zapruder Film is forged you have a problem because the rear wound plug and flap opening up in the right front conforms to a shot from the rear. (It's important to note this doesn't exclude a conspiracy, or multiple shooters, or a shot from the Dal-Tex Building)
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Who’s telling the truth: Clint Hill or the Zapruder film? - by James H. Fetzer - 26-01-2011, 02:25 PM

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