06-02-2009, 12:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-02-2009, 12:30 PM by David Guyatt.)
[quote=Magda Hassan][QUOTE]Nor did they give up Jews like others and the Orthodox church behaved far better than the Catholic Church in all that sorry crime.[/QUOTE]
It is an indisputable fact that in Yugoslavia during and post WWII, the Catholic Church behaved appallingly. Some priests were worse than the Nazis themselves, espeially those in the Franciscan Order (imo of course :reddy
. And, of course, we need to remember that the post war Ratlines that saw tens of thousands of wanted Nazi war criminals to freedom around the globe was managed and operated by the Vatican courtesy of Bishops Hudal and Draganovic.
There are arguments put forward that that those at high levels in the Vatican remained unaware that these two Bishops were running the Ratlines and had not sanctioned it. Utter bull of course, because Draganovic reported to Bishop Giovanni Montini, who was in charge of "extraordinary affairs" for the Secretariat of State. Montini later became Pope Paul VI.
[quote]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(h...nvolvement
Some evidence that Montini was aware that a ratline investigation was involved has come out recently in a San Francisco courtroom where a class action suit of holocaust survivors against the Vatican Bank is currently underway. One witness in the trial is William Gowen, a former US Army intelligence agent stationed in Rome in the years after the war, charged with investigating the Draganović ratline. Gowen's testimony has not been officially published, but a copy was obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz which printed an article in January 2006 accusing Montini based on Gowen's evidence [21]. According to the Haaretz article:
Oddly enough I was a Consultant for the two attorneys who initiated the class action lawsuit against the Vatican bank, the IOR, in the San Francisco court referenced above. What they wanted was access to the IOR records.
This truly terrified the Vatican and the prospect that the Judge would rule for discovery and that they would have to turn over their records had them caressing their rosaries quicker than a banker could pull a crap asset out of a top hat. So they had a high powered and truly well connected Italian lawyer write cause why this should not be permitted. I was asked to write a rebuttal to his argument and since he argued - in the same document - that a) one of the functions of the IOR was to pay pensions to Vatican staff, and b) IOR records were destroyed after 10 years, it wasn't all that difficult to show his argument to be fatuous.
But the Judge was never able to make an independent decision because the Vatican issued a diplomatic protest note to the US State Department and the class action suit has been in the doldrums ever since (so far as I know anyway) because the Judge ruled it was a political matter and not in the province of the court.
Kay serah...
It is an indisputable fact that in Yugoslavia during and post WWII, the Catholic Church behaved appallingly. Some priests were worse than the Nazis themselves, espeially those in the Franciscan Order (imo of course :reddy
. And, of course, we need to remember that the post war Ratlines that saw tens of thousands of wanted Nazi war criminals to freedom around the globe was managed and operated by the Vatican courtesy of Bishops Hudal and Draganovic. There are arguments put forward that that those at high levels in the Vatican remained unaware that these two Bishops were running the Ratlines and had not sanctioned it. Utter bull of course, because Draganovic reported to Bishop Giovanni Montini, who was in charge of "extraordinary affairs" for the Secretariat of State. Montini later became Pope Paul VI.
[quote]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(h...nvolvement
Some evidence that Montini was aware that a ratline investigation was involved has come out recently in a San Francisco courtroom where a class action suit of holocaust survivors against the Vatican Bank is currently underway. One witness in the trial is William Gowen, a former US Army intelligence agent stationed in Rome in the years after the war, charged with investigating the Draganović ratline. Gowen's testimony has not been officially published, but a copy was obtained by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz which printed an article in January 2006 accusing Montini based on Gowen's evidence [21]. According to the Haaretz article:
"I personally investigated Draganovic - who told me he was reporting to Montini", emphasized Gowen. Gowen related that at a certain stage Montini learned, apparently from the head of the OSS unit in Rome, James Angleton, who nurtured relations with Montini and the Vatican, of the investigation Gowen's unit was conducting. Montini complained about Gowen to his superiors and accused him of having violated the Vatican's immunity by having entered church buildings, such as the Croatian college, and conducting searches there. The aim of the complaint was to interfere with the investigation. In his testimony, Gowen also stated that Draganovic helped the Ustashe launder the stolen treasure with the help of the Vatican Bank: This money was used to fund its religious activities, but also to fund the escape of Ustashe leaders on the Rat Line.[21]
[/quote]Oddly enough I was a Consultant for the two attorneys who initiated the class action lawsuit against the Vatican bank, the IOR, in the San Francisco court referenced above. What they wanted was access to the IOR records.
This truly terrified the Vatican and the prospect that the Judge would rule for discovery and that they would have to turn over their records had them caressing their rosaries quicker than a banker could pull a crap asset out of a top hat. So they had a high powered and truly well connected Italian lawyer write cause why this should not be permitted. I was asked to write a rebuttal to his argument and since he argued - in the same document - that a) one of the functions of the IOR was to pay pensions to Vatican staff, and b) IOR records were destroyed after 10 years, it wasn't all that difficult to show his argument to be fatuous.
But the Judge was never able to make an independent decision because the Vatican issued a diplomatic protest note to the US State Department and the class action suit has been in the doldrums ever since (so far as I know anyway) because the Judge ruled it was a political matter and not in the province of the court.
Kay serah...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14