11-03-2012, 10:20 AM
Prior to the release of Version 2.0 of the AF1 tapes, Horne had presented:
BEGIN ACCOUNT OF HORNE PRESENTATION:
We have three different documented casket arrivals now in official documents, not two, three.
Arrival # 1 around 6:40 - 6:45 p.m.
Dennis David has stated he saw a shipping casket arrive and helped take it out of a black hearse at the back of the Bethesda morgue, taking it into the anteroom at about 6:40 p.m. Horne then read a paragraph from his interview with Dennis David (MD177),
"At about 6:30 p.m. Mr. David said he received a telephone call in which someone told him, 'Your visitor is on his way. You will need some people to off-load.' He then got his duty sailors together, borrowed some orphans from the dental school and assembled them outside the loading dock by about 6:40 p.m. 5 or 6 minutes later at about 6:45 p.m. he said that a black hearse drove up to the morgue loading dock. The driver and the person riding shotgun, ie. the front seat passenger, were wearing operating room smocks: white gowns. Four or five men in blue suits whom he assumed were federal agents exited the back of the hearse and supervised and observed while the approximately 7 or 8 Navy sailors working for him off-loaded the casket from the hearse. He said it was a simple grey metal shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war. His group of sailors took the casket into the anteroom directly adjacent to the morgue. He then dismissed them and went back upstairs to an administrative office on the second floor of the tower building out front toward the lobby."
Some time later, David Lifton became aware of a man named Donald Rebentisch who was one of these 7 or 8 sailors who under Dennis David's direction who carried a shipping casket from a black hearse into the anteroom of the morgue. And in fact, Dennis David was later stationed with Donald Rebentisch [in Vietnam?], they didn't realize what they had participated in this night until years later. Only recently did we find documentary evidence of this event.
Researcher Kathy Cunningham was kind enough to send the ARRB a lead that she had located, a Roger Boyajian, former Marine Guard, the head of the Marine Guard Unit that guarded the morgue during the autopsy. These are not ceremonial guards, this is security, these guys are from Marine barracks. They carry guns. The real deal.
Boyajian wrote a letter to Horne that reads: "One thing bothering me is that I can't recall seeing the casket arrive, yet I state in the report that it arrived at 1830 hours."(MD 236) A document dated November 26, 1963 by Boyijain to Commanding Officer, Marine Corps Institute Company states, "At approximately 1835 the casket was received at the morgue entrance and taken inside." Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the back until about 7:17 p.m.
Arrival #2 around 7:15 p.m.
Horne then showed a document prepared by Sibert and O'Neill right after they were interviewed by Arlen Specter (MD153). They went back to the FBI and recorded how that interview went with Specter. They wrote that Specter had asked them, "What was the time of the preparation of the autopsy?" They answered, "approximately 7:17 p.m."
In their depositions to the ARRB Sibert and O'Neill recalled sitting alone in front of Bethesda. Bobby Kennedy is there discussing things with Admirals and Generals. Jackie had already gone inside. Greer was sitting in the driver's seat of the grey Navy ambulance. They are in a car behind this ambulance for ten to twenty minutes. Finally, they go to Greer and ask him what is the problem, why aren't they going to the loading dock? Greer tells them he doesn't know how to get there, that Kellerman went into the hospital and he doesn't know how to find him. So they say: "We know how to find him."
They told the ARRB they took the lead position and took Greer back to the loading dock. So, Horne concluded the "approximately 7:17 p.m. estimate is accurate, and circumstantial evidence that it may indeed have been empty. If the casket that arrived at 1830, (or 6:30 p.m. for us civilians) had JFK in it then the bronze ceremonial casket must be empty."
Arrival #3 around 8:00 p.m.
Horne then showed a military casket team report written by an Lt. Byrd (MD163): "From the ambulance to the morgue at 2000 hours." So, officially the bronze casket does not go into the morgue until 8:00 p.m. This casket does have a ceremonial guard, and the casket team does not have weapons.
Lifton interviewed X-ray technician Edward Reed in 1979 and asked him about the casket entry. Reed said the Marines brought the casket in and, "...they had guns."
Horne then had an audiotape played in two parts, beginning with Humes, then the Lifton-Reed* interview.
Gunn: "Dr. Humes, when did you first see the body of President Kennedy?"
Humes: "I didn't look at my watch, if I even had a watch on, but I would guess it was 6:45 or 7 o'clock, something like that, approximately."
Horne comments, "That's important. The Honor Guard said they took it in at 8 o,clock."
Back to the audiotape:
Lifton: "Were you there when the actual body arrived? Okay, could you just tell me because they are trying to determine who was in the room and where that was, was it down in the morgue? Was it inside the room, did you meet it at the loading dock or what?"
(*It is hard to hear Reed's taped voice clearly, so I have to summarize what he stated.) Reed says the Marines brought the casket in. Marines. Marines with guns, about 10 of them.
Horne then showed Boyajain's letter to him (MD 236. Letter dated Sept. 10, 1997) He says, "I think I split the detail initially, sending 7 men to meet the ambulance and taking the remainder with me to set up security posts within the corridors." Horne thinks these 7 or 10 Marines are the Marines Ed Reed saw, and Horne thinks they took the casket from the anteroom where the sailors put it down into the morgue. So, we have this strange break in the chain of custody.
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END ACCOUNT OF HORNE PRESENTATION
On the new version of the tape(s) is the multiple mention of the black hearse seen by the Bethesda enlisted.
Not the gray Navy ambulance carrying the bronze viewing casket, the First Lady, and Robert Kennedy.
In all accounts Custer carries the x-rays up from the morgue to the darkroom, and when the official party arrives, he is stopped by the Secret Service agent on the mezzanine, for it is a dangerous paradox akin to the Ghostbusters crossing plasma beams.
Lifton faithfully recorded the multiple arrivals, a dizzying proposition to citizens expecting a by-the-book procedure in the inner sanctum of the military establishment.
McHugh claimed he stayed with the body. According to Palamara, McHugh's normal place in the motorcade was between the front-seat Secret Service agents. And what a shock to find McHugh had dated Jacqueline.
The because-we-say-so dogma is torn and frayed.
And those who scoffed at the body alteration narrative have to account for the lack of any remaining brain left in the skull, and for the cracked-boiled-egg nature of that skull described by the Bethesda enlisted.
A major point of contention by those Horne describes as his enemies (yes, he said that) is that he retraced the Lifton body alteration line.
How else explain for example the throat incision for the tracheotomy of at most two centimeters through the throat entry wound which closed inviolate.
A six-centimeter gash with ragged edges. A hideous thing. And of course the total smash job on the skull to take a baseball-sized avulsive wound at the back and make it a map of the Eurasian land mass on the side.
Curtis LeMay the man of mystery and the star of Dr. Strangelove, Seven Days in May, and Executive Action.
Swoops down from his fortress of solitude to stand astride the autopsy to be certain it would conceal the coup.
Our friend the colonel recounted how his "killers" had coaxed the identity of the political officer who'd put his photo on wanted posters in the village by bending the source backwards over a log and applying helmets of water to the nose.
Humes was only asked politely why he had obstructed justice in the murder of the president.
And upon being escorted to his car, mocked, "I sure hope you solve this thing."
BEGIN ACCOUNT OF HORNE PRESENTATION:
We have three different documented casket arrivals now in official documents, not two, three.
Arrival # 1 around 6:40 - 6:45 p.m.
Dennis David has stated he saw a shipping casket arrive and helped take it out of a black hearse at the back of the Bethesda morgue, taking it into the anteroom at about 6:40 p.m. Horne then read a paragraph from his interview with Dennis David (MD177),
"At about 6:30 p.m. Mr. David said he received a telephone call in which someone told him, 'Your visitor is on his way. You will need some people to off-load.' He then got his duty sailors together, borrowed some orphans from the dental school and assembled them outside the loading dock by about 6:40 p.m. 5 or 6 minutes later at about 6:45 p.m. he said that a black hearse drove up to the morgue loading dock. The driver and the person riding shotgun, ie. the front seat passenger, were wearing operating room smocks: white gowns. Four or five men in blue suits whom he assumed were federal agents exited the back of the hearse and supervised and observed while the approximately 7 or 8 Navy sailors working for him off-loaded the casket from the hearse. He said it was a simple grey metal shipping casket such as he frequently saw used later during the Vietnam war. His group of sailors took the casket into the anteroom directly adjacent to the morgue. He then dismissed them and went back upstairs to an administrative office on the second floor of the tower building out front toward the lobby."
Some time later, David Lifton became aware of a man named Donald Rebentisch who was one of these 7 or 8 sailors who under Dennis David's direction who carried a shipping casket from a black hearse into the anteroom of the morgue. And in fact, Dennis David was later stationed with Donald Rebentisch [in Vietnam?], they didn't realize what they had participated in this night until years later. Only recently did we find documentary evidence of this event.
Researcher Kathy Cunningham was kind enough to send the ARRB a lead that she had located, a Roger Boyajian, former Marine Guard, the head of the Marine Guard Unit that guarded the morgue during the autopsy. These are not ceremonial guards, this is security, these guys are from Marine barracks. They carry guns. The real deal.
Boyajian wrote a letter to Horne that reads: "One thing bothering me is that I can't recall seeing the casket arrive, yet I state in the report that it arrived at 1830 hours."(MD 236) A document dated November 26, 1963 by Boyijain to Commanding Officer, Marine Corps Institute Company states, "At approximately 1835 the casket was received at the morgue entrance and taken inside." Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the back until about 7:17 p.m.
Arrival #2 around 7:15 p.m.
Horne then showed a document prepared by Sibert and O'Neill right after they were interviewed by Arlen Specter (MD153). They went back to the FBI and recorded how that interview went with Specter. They wrote that Specter had asked them, "What was the time of the preparation of the autopsy?" They answered, "approximately 7:17 p.m."
In their depositions to the ARRB Sibert and O'Neill recalled sitting alone in front of Bethesda. Bobby Kennedy is there discussing things with Admirals and Generals. Jackie had already gone inside. Greer was sitting in the driver's seat of the grey Navy ambulance. They are in a car behind this ambulance for ten to twenty minutes. Finally, they go to Greer and ask him what is the problem, why aren't they going to the loading dock? Greer tells them he doesn't know how to get there, that Kellerman went into the hospital and he doesn't know how to find him. So they say: "We know how to find him."
They told the ARRB they took the lead position and took Greer back to the loading dock. So, Horne concluded the "approximately 7:17 p.m. estimate is accurate, and circumstantial evidence that it may indeed have been empty. If the casket that arrived at 1830, (or 6:30 p.m. for us civilians) had JFK in it then the bronze ceremonial casket must be empty."
Arrival #3 around 8:00 p.m.
Horne then showed a military casket team report written by an Lt. Byrd (MD163): "From the ambulance to the morgue at 2000 hours." So, officially the bronze casket does not go into the morgue until 8:00 p.m. This casket does have a ceremonial guard, and the casket team does not have weapons.
Lifton interviewed X-ray technician Edward Reed in 1979 and asked him about the casket entry. Reed said the Marines brought the casket in and, "...they had guns."
Horne then had an audiotape played in two parts, beginning with Humes, then the Lifton-Reed* interview.
Gunn: "Dr. Humes, when did you first see the body of President Kennedy?"
Humes: "I didn't look at my watch, if I even had a watch on, but I would guess it was 6:45 or 7 o'clock, something like that, approximately."
Horne comments, "That's important. The Honor Guard said they took it in at 8 o,clock."
Back to the audiotape:
Lifton: "Were you there when the actual body arrived? Okay, could you just tell me because they are trying to determine who was in the room and where that was, was it down in the morgue? Was it inside the room, did you meet it at the loading dock or what?"
(*It is hard to hear Reed's taped voice clearly, so I have to summarize what he stated.) Reed says the Marines brought the casket in. Marines. Marines with guns, about 10 of them.
Horne then showed Boyajain's letter to him (MD 236. Letter dated Sept. 10, 1997) He says, "I think I split the detail initially, sending 7 men to meet the ambulance and taking the remainder with me to set up security posts within the corridors." Horne thinks these 7 or 10 Marines are the Marines Ed Reed saw, and Horne thinks they took the casket from the anteroom where the sailors put it down into the morgue. So, we have this strange break in the chain of custody.
http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
END ACCOUNT OF HORNE PRESENTATION
On the new version of the tape(s) is the multiple mention of the black hearse seen by the Bethesda enlisted.
Not the gray Navy ambulance carrying the bronze viewing casket, the First Lady, and Robert Kennedy.
In all accounts Custer carries the x-rays up from the morgue to the darkroom, and when the official party arrives, he is stopped by the Secret Service agent on the mezzanine, for it is a dangerous paradox akin to the Ghostbusters crossing plasma beams.
Lifton faithfully recorded the multiple arrivals, a dizzying proposition to citizens expecting a by-the-book procedure in the inner sanctum of the military establishment.
McHugh claimed he stayed with the body. According to Palamara, McHugh's normal place in the motorcade was between the front-seat Secret Service agents. And what a shock to find McHugh had dated Jacqueline.
The because-we-say-so dogma is torn and frayed.
And those who scoffed at the body alteration narrative have to account for the lack of any remaining brain left in the skull, and for the cracked-boiled-egg nature of that skull described by the Bethesda enlisted.
A major point of contention by those Horne describes as his enemies (yes, he said that) is that he retraced the Lifton body alteration line.
How else explain for example the throat incision for the tracheotomy of at most two centimeters through the throat entry wound which closed inviolate.
A six-centimeter gash with ragged edges. A hideous thing. And of course the total smash job on the skull to take a baseball-sized avulsive wound at the back and make it a map of the Eurasian land mass on the side.
Curtis LeMay the man of mystery and the star of Dr. Strangelove, Seven Days in May, and Executive Action.
Swoops down from his fortress of solitude to stand astride the autopsy to be certain it would conceal the coup.
Our friend the colonel recounted how his "killers" had coaxed the identity of the political officer who'd put his photo on wanted posters in the village by bending the source backwards over a log and applying helmets of water to the nose.
Humes was only asked politely why he had obstructed justice in the murder of the president.
And upon being escorted to his car, mocked, "I sure hope you solve this thing."