Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

It sounds to me as if you are sayingthat this "syndicate", this "shadow government" was not already in existence. That the Rothschild/Morgan/Rockefeller SHADOWGOVERNMENT that controlled economics and politics since before the turn of the20[SUP]th[/SUP] century with involvement in whatever you want to call the US UNDERWORLD AND MIC of the time. JEWISH& European bankers and their representatives had been doing this to thecountries of Europe for centuries… yetall of a sudden, you think that the CIA, the Mafia and the Bankers createdsomething NEW? In the mid 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century? Please Albert… it's as if you;ve dismissedhistory up to the creation of the NEW cabal… when in reality it was the SOSdifferent day, different name… if you have not read "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" - you might - it provides the background for this cabal and the influences on US and world politics... in 1907, when Morgan and the Rothschilds help create the Panic

You're fishing for excuses David. Switching the topic to a discussion of Deep Political history will not change the meaning or significance of the Swiss bank, Mediterranean cabal Piper discusses. You're filibustering, David, instead of answering the point that was made.

JFK and Israel's bomb may have played a part years later... but please stop trying to convince me or anyone else that this situation was the product the mid 20th century when it startyed in the late 1700's.

Which has what to do with what David? You've switched the topic and now you're answering to your own argument. Israel was formed in 1948. Your argument style strikes me as evasive and seeking to avoid the main points.

So the oil money about as far fromJews as it gets - could not have been the funding source for the JFK assassination…. And I did transpose Cuba & JFK, my bad,sorry. I meant that Echevarria's commentwas exclusively about Cuba, NOT JFK.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? You've pulled oil money out of thin air and are using it as a strawman. Your responses are bizarre because they represent a whole new conversation I don't recognize and things I never said. Furthermore I've answered three times now why there was no difference between funding for Cuba and the Mediterranean cabal, yet you ask the same question again now as if I never said anything. I'll explain it again. The causes of Cuba and Israel were intertwined through the Lansky/Rosenbaum/Israel Swiss bank network elaborated in Final Judgment. The system was rigged in such a way that the two causes were the same and any gains in overthrowing Castro would directly benefit this cabal. That's why the "new jew backers" were backing Echevarria. Do me a favor, please don't ask that question again.

I am not wiggling nor trying Albertand I really wish you would not make this personal… I am attempting to understand your positionas you've developed it from reading Piper and other research…

As is evident in what you write (sarcasm included)...




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Really? The Vietnam war and ALL is militaryexpenditures PLUS the removal of the French/Corsican drug trade to place theUS/SE Asia drug trade squarely in control with its BILLIONS in profit goinginto the coffers of those who ran it were NOT the main benefactors… LBJ,becomes president NOT a benefactor, Hoover keeps power not a benefactor… Do you honestly believe that Israel and theUSA would not have continued on their path as allies with Israel receivingBILLIONS/TRILLIONS $$ had JFK not been assassinated? Have you read JFK and the UNSPEAKABLE? JFK threatened the entire way the WORLD ELITE didbusiness and how the WORLD ELITE controls its masses… I am sorry Albert, but to make this about Israel and Israel only is imo,very near-sighted.

The assassination didn't hurt and the US's policies and funding for Israel increased directly from the point of the assassination. Honestly David, you seem to be fishing for excuses against the obvious. Sure, the US probably would have done this anyway, but what you wrote doesn't disprove the incidence of how it very definitely happened in direct relation to JFK's assassination. You write a lot but in the end nothing changes and you haven't disproven Piper's points. It seems to me you are trying to spread blame to other persons or groups but the direct interests of Israel at the time don't change nor does their being satisfied by means of Kennedy's assassination.

Sorry, but I disagree with yourconclusion. The corruption of the USAdid not begin in 1947/48… Was theregreat and tremendous power behind the creation of the Israel state and the "jews"of the world in its support especially the USA… of course. I disagree that the POINT OF ORIGIN of Israel'spower is the JFK assassination…

You're arguing against irrefutable facts and statistics correctly shown in 'Final Judgment'. You attempt a philosophical diversion over when exactly America became corrupted, but there's no doubt the shift to American support of Israel occurred directly upon Kennedy's assassination. You're just in plain denial of how this present grotesque relationship occurred. I think you give yourself away by doing that. But I thank you for your stated "seeking to understand all this..."

Albert we get already that you area Piper disciple… that whatever he says is golden and the only truth worthdiscussing… Since you have read and memorized the book if you could expand on the following list as to what FACTS you'd like refuted… I will look into them.

Here we go. There's no reason to denigrate advocacy of Piper. Just discuss his straight facts. You've already seen enough. If you're interested I suggest you follow your stated want to understand and read the book.

Again Albert… are you really sayingthat this was the one and only funding source for this Underground Government that if it wasn't the Jews of the USA/Israel there was no threat to JFK?

You are creating strawmen David. The answer to this is to pursue Echevarria's comment and find out what exactly he meant by that? Frankly, your strawman campaign tells me you aren't honestly seeking that and are seeking ways around it. It is as it is David and I think Piper has validly shown there is evidence that Israel was the spark and straw that broke camel's back in the carrying-out of the assassination. This is evidenced by Echevarria's statement that, if you care to realize, not one single person has made any attempt whatsoever to answer directly - including yourself. In my experience of assassination research that, to me, is usually a good sign that there's something there. Even worse, conspiracy exposers are now using the tactics of Lone Nutters like Von Pein to avoid recognizing this. You're definitely trying to put words in my mouth David. I think the reason you're doing that is what I'm getting at.

You seem to be IGNORING every otherplayer in the game and are fixated on it being Piper's way or no way…. While YOU may be there, I and many others,are not…
So I will go back to the question… why do you believe that Echevarria's commenthad to do ONLY with the JFK assassination and not the Cuban situation instead given the timing and the actual weapons he was dealing with?

That's just besides the point colorful wording. It means nothing. Meanwhile although I have answered that canard you keep repeating three times now, you ignore it and feel a need to force it again. I'm sure I've explained it clearly enough that any person of average intelligence could understand it, so I believe I'm correct in assuming you prefer not to understand it, even though you claim to be seeking understanding. You are obviously trying to force a contrived interpretation no matter what you are shown. I'm sorry to put it this way but the word "dishonest" flashes into my mind at this point. 1) I have explained it three times now and you've ignored it three times. 2) It is more than clear that the operative point here is what exactly Homer Echevarria meant by his comment? It seems to me that you are desperate to force the backing to only the Cuban cause and supplying them with weapons, but Echevarria's statement itself shows that this action was dependent on getting rid of Kennedy. And, again, as Piper shows, there really was no difference between the Cuban action and the interconnected causes of all those interests, especially Israel. The clear question here, that you should be asking, is why would any "jews" be so interested in backing the Cuban cause? The answer is because they were all operating under one aegis at that point. Piper's Mediterranean cabal was that aegis. Ben Gurion's frustration was the deciding factor of Israel coming in to solidarity with that cause.


Your overload of information on Permindex is just anti-semite-baiting filibuster in my opinion.


Do me a favor. If you respond spare me the creative colors and fonts.



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