16-06-2013, 10:53 PM
Hi Dawn,
Absolutely! That's where the shit came from. It was one of the most interesting social experiments emanating from within the US government -- the initial distribution of massive quantities of LSD. But that doesn't mean that the eventual impact on pop culture was something they anticipated, desired or controlled.
That's my argument.
Once the LSD genie was out of the bottle it became the staple of youth culture that persists to this day. The driving force behind the popularity of LSD is music now in 2013 just as it was in the mid-60's.
Once the USG introduced LSD into the American pop culture the music took over, which was not a consequence I'd think Langley would have foreseen.
Was that the original sinister plan? The goal of MK/ULTRA-ONI acid distribution was to establish a staple for twenty-somethings to get their grooves on well into the 21st Century?
In the form of Frank Zappa and Jim Morrison? No, I don't buy it, Dawn. And if the author can't get the music history right why should we buy his conclusions?
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Quote:See: Naval Intelligence, MKUltra and the Hippie Movement
It's highly entertaining Conspiracy Porn based primarily on guilt by association.
Quote:Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world in those early months of 1965, a new scene' is just beginning to take shape in the city of Los Angeles. In a geographically and socially isolated community known as Laurel Canyon a heavily wooded, rustic, serene, yet vaguely ominous slice of LA nestled in the hills that separate the Los Angeles basin from the San Fernando Valley musicians, singers and songwriters suddenly begin to gather as though summoned there by some unseen Pied Piper. Within months, the hippie/flower child' movement will be given birth there, along with the new style of music that will provide the soundtrack for the tumultuous second half of the 1960s.
An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band's debut effort, "Mr. Tambourine Man," will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas ("If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears," January 1966), Love with Arthur Lee ("Love," May 1966), Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention ("Freak Out," June 1966), Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young ("Buffalo Springfield," October 1966), and The Doors ("The Doors," January 1967).
What a crock!
The Jefferson Airplane, the Grateful Dead, and Big Brother & the Holding Company all formed in 1965 in the San Francisco bay area.
If we are going to give credit for the creation of the hippie movement I'd argue it was Bill Graham and his concert promotions -- in conjunction with LSD.
In the 60's LSD was a popular dance party drug. Guess what folks?? -- in 2013 LSD is a popular dance party drug!!
LSD never went away -- only the hype went away...Except when students of "Deep Events" (bless us) over-think it...
Cliff: Maybe you should re-read all of the above links. I was happily a distant part of all that magic that in Nova Scotia. The love scene, the LSD scene and especially loved all of those bands. "Love" remains one of my alltime favorite groups.
("I could be in love with almost everyone!!")
That said the evidence of MK Ultra, and Naval intel mixing in with all the peace love and understanding is overwhelming.
Absolutely! That's where the shit came from. It was one of the most interesting social experiments emanating from within the US government -- the initial distribution of massive quantities of LSD. But that doesn't mean that the eventual impact on pop culture was something they anticipated, desired or controlled.
That's my argument.
Once the LSD genie was out of the bottle it became the staple of youth culture that persists to this day. The driving force behind the popularity of LSD is music now in 2013 just as it was in the mid-60's.
Once the USG introduced LSD into the American pop culture the music took over, which was not a consequence I'd think Langley would have foreseen.
Quote:Indulge in a bit of "over-thinking".
Ya, LSD is still around. So?
Was that the original sinister plan? The goal of MK/ULTRA-ONI acid distribution was to establish a staple for twenty-somethings to get their grooves on well into the 21st Century?
Quote:Bill Graham. Yes. He played an important part. But more than one thing was occurring. The Unspeakable was in attendance.
In the form of Frank Zappa and Jim Morrison? No, I don't buy it, Dawn. And if the author can't get the music history right why should we buy his conclusions?