The crucial hour and twenty minutes

[David Josephs]

I wouldn't be surprised if Reed was working for military intelligence. James Powell was the Army Intelligence guy who worked down the street at the Rio Grande building and took a picture of the TSBD thirty seconds after the assassination.

As for the physical evidence during this period, it's hard to trust any of it.

David, who is the person in the cab you're referring to who shot Tippit?

The person Whaley described as "Oswald" could not have been THE Oswald.
If Whaley did actually take someone to 500 N Beckley... I do not see how that could have been our Oswald.

Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, h[B]e walked east from your cab [/B]and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.


Since no one reports seeing even a suspicous man walking thru the neighborhood...
and Oswald's room was due north of this spot

I am theorizing that the person who Whaley did take, walked east and over to 10th and Patton possibly to that area's safe house where he would meet up with Tippit.
Why else would Tippit have been so careless in his approach....

There is no reason for our Oswald to have been coming EAST on 10th on the way to the theater.


IF we are to conclude that Oswald was already at the Theater.... how the murder occurs at that location... how murderer and Tippit wind up at the same place at the same time
has to be one of the greatest mysteries to unravel.

DJ

I don't see how walking east would be conclusive evidence that Oswald was not in the cab. Any one getting out of the cab and crossing the street in front of it would be walking east. If Whaley then continued driving south, he would have had to look over his shoulder behind him to see in what direction Qswald proceeded after crossing the street. Whaley's description of Oswald's bracelet is a fairly detailed and accurate observation that points to it indeed being Oswald. I have always "theorized" that the man Craig saw getting into the statin wagon was the Tippet shooter and the fact that he was seen walking west on 10th prior to reaching the intersection with Patton, leads me to think he was coming from Ruby's apt.

"Walking East" is by no means a piece of evidence that suggests Whaley never took anyone... (remember he was the substitute cab driver after the first one named by DA Alexander was found not to exist) or that this was not Oswald - like Bledsoe I believe he was fed details to help ID Oswald (the line up with Scoggins was a joke as well). From the following - I'd ask whether this "ID" would go uncontested in a real court.... and whether or not the affidavit refelcts what he said.

When one goes into the Dallas Archives and views Whaley's handwritten statement we find that BOTH state that he left the cab and walked SOUTH ON BECKLEY.. nomention of EAST

Mr. BALL. When he got out of the tab did he go around in front of your tab?
Mr. WHALEY. He went around in front, yes, sir; crossed the street.
Mr. BALL. Across to the east side of the street?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, he walked east from your cab and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0438-001.gif Typed Affidavit - signed

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and yet... there is ANOTHER AFFIDAVIT, also unsigned :
43. Statement handwritten, by William Wayne Whaley. Statement concerning a passenger in a taxi cab identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 11/23/63. 2 pages 00000352 01 08 043 0352-001.gif 0352-002.gif
also does not say anything about EAST yet does say SOUTH... and neither one matches the final signed affidavit regarding the complete contents of the hand written one....

AFTER Oswald's picture appears in the paper, AFTER Whaley sees said picture he is finally taken down to ID the man who he has already been identified as the killer... and he tells us this man is wearing a white T, a brown shirt, and a jacket over all of that.... Since Oswald's Blue jacket was at work and his "white/grey/tan" one is waiting in his room... I do not see how this can be "THE" Oswald

Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Later that day did you--were you called down to the police department?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you the next day?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They called up the police and they came up and got me.
Mr. BALL. When you saw in the newspaper the picture of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You went to your superior and told him you thought he was your passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did the Dallas police come out to see you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Or FBI agents?
Mr. WHALEY. The Dallas police came down and took me down and the FBI was waiting there.
Mr. BALL. Before they brought you down did they show you a picture?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. They didn't?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. They brought you down to the Dallas police station?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do there?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, I tried to get by the reporters, stepping over television cables and you couldn't hardly get by,
they would grab you and wanted to know what you were doing down here, even with the detectives one in front and one behind you.
Then they took me in an office there and I think Bill Alexander, the Assistant
District Attorney, two or three, I was introduced to two or three who were FBI
men and they wanted my deposition of what happened.
So, I told them to the
best of my ability. Then they took me down in their room where they have their
show-ups, and all, and me and this other taxi driver who was with me, sir, we
sat in the room awhile and directly they brought in six men, young teenagers,
and they all were handcuffed together. Well, they wanted me to pick out my
passenger.
At that time he had on a pair of black pants and white T-shirt,
that is all he had on. But you could have picked him out without identifying him
by just listening to him because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them
it wasn't right to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they
asked me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man.

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Mr. BELIN. Did you sign an affidavit for the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. I will hand you a document which I am calling Whaley Deposition Exhibit A, and ask you to say if your signature appears on there?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is my signature.
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Mr. BELIN. All right. Now in here it says, "The No. 3 man who I now know is Lee
Harvey Oswald was the man who I carried from the Greyhound Bus Station* * *"
Was this the No. 3 or the No. 2 man?
Mr. WHALEY. I signed that
statement before they carried me down to see the lineup. I signed this
statement, and then they carried me down to the lineup at 2:30 in the afternoon.

Mr. BELIN. You signed this affidavit before you saw the lineup.
Mr. WHALEY. Well, now, let's get this straight. You are getting me confused.
Mr. BELIN. Now, I will put it this way. There was an FBI reporter, FBI interviewer with you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. BELIN. And there was an interview with the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes. And Bill Alexander from the district attorney's office was there, also.
Mr. BELIN. All right, now, the last sentence.
Mr. WHALEY. Let me tell you how they
fixed this up. They had me in the office saying that. They were writing it out
on paper, and they wrote it out on paper, and this officer, Leavelle, I think
that is his name, before he finished and before I signed he wanted me to go with
him to the lineup, so I went to the lineup, and I come back and he asked me
which one it was, which number it was, and I identified the man, and we went
back up in the office again, and then they had me sign this. That is as near as
I can remember.
My recollection for that afternoon in that office was very
disturbed because everytime they would open the door, some flash camera would
flash in your face and everybody coming in and out and asking you questions.

Mr. BELIN. You mean reporters?
Mr. WHALEY. I made this statement more to Bill Alexander, because I tried to talk to him more. Everybody was trying to talk to me at once.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw the statement the first time, did you see the statement before you went down to see the lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. No; I didn't see the statement. I don't think I did. I am not for sure. I think I signed it after I came back. It was on paper. They were writing it up on paper.
Mr. BELIN. They were writing?
Mr. WHALEY. Before I left there, I signed this typewritten, because they had to get, a stenographer typed it up. I had to wait.
Mr. BELIN. But was this before or after you saw the lineup.
Mr. WHALEY. After she typed it up. It was after.
Mr. BELIN. It was after?
Mr. WHALEY. That is when I signed it, after.
Mr. BELIN. Now, when you signed it--what I want to know is, before you went down, had they
already put on there a statement that the man you saw was the No. 8(sic) man in the
lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. I don't remember that. I don't remember whether it said three or two, or what.
Mr. BELIN. Did they have any statements on there before you went down to the lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. I never saw what they had in
there. It was all written out by hand. The statement I saw, I think, was this
one, and that could be writing. I might not even seen this one yet. I signed my
name because they said that is what I said.