24-08-2013, 06:54 PM
Jim Hargrove Wrote:Hi, Charles,
Those definitions seem extremely logical ... so, let's talk Facilitators.
For Angleton, it's hard to believe the Oswald project would escape the radar of the CI/SIGgers, if there wasn't even more intimate involvement. And with the number of statements released over the years from CIA veterans about Oswald, it's easy to imagine surprisingly broad knowledge of the Oswald project at the Agency.
Charles Drago Wrote:If by "the Oswald project" you mean LHO's role in the assassination conspiracy, I don't agree with your conclusion -- at least insofar as it would pertain to the pre-assassination period. Certainly the future patsy's role in any other on-the-books agency op would be known to his respective handlers and other essential personnel. And after the president's murder, a whole lot of 2's and 2's were put together.
But not before.
Charles - precisely.
In my judgment, knowledge of Oswald's early spying history and missions would be available to very few.
My earlier post about the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is relevant here:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:This hypothesis involves the creation of two Lee Harvey Oswalds in childhood, before LHO was assigned to any mission.
What is important is the selection by the Facilitators, in 1962 or 1963, of LHO as the patsy for the most dangerous and high profile of missions: the assassination of JFK.
My working assumption is that the Facilitator or Facilitators who selected LHO knew of his covert background in detail. This narrows down the search quite considerably.
Charles Drago Wrote:Jim Hargrove Wrote:But turning a Cold War spy effort into an assassination operation is a whole different issue. Is there real evidence connecting the higher level officials to the assassination? (I'm not as well read as many of the people here, so I hope someone will correct me if I'm missing something obvious.)
The best argument for Angleton's key role in the conspiracy is made by John Newman in the 2008 revised edition of Oswald and the CIA:
"In my view, whoever Oswald's direct handler or handlers were, we must now seriously consider the possibility that Angleton was probably their general manager. No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind to manage this sophisticated plot. No one else had the means necessary to plant the WWIII virus in Oswald's files and keep it dormant for six weeks until the president's assassination. Whoever those who were ultimately responsible for the decision to kill Kennedy were [the Sponsors -- CD], their reach extended into the national intelligence apparatus to such a degree that they could call upon a person who knew its inner secrets and workings so well that he could design a failsafe mechanism into the fabric of the plot. The only person who could ensure that a national security cover-up of an apparent counterintelligence nightmare was the head of counterintelligence." (p. 637)
Fantastic excerpt.
John Newman may be unaware of the Evica-Drago Sponsor-Facilitator-Mechanic Model, but his original research fits like a glove.
Or a deep political epiphany.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war

