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Demolition Access To The WTC Towers - Kevin Ryan
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Lemkin,
That's pure ad hom. I have my own views informed by my own fundamental research as well as the usual quote mining from others pulled from the www.

You are lumping me as part of your enemy is a W'esque you're either with us or against simplification. Your wrong.

Peter,

SOME pilots may think the flying feat impossible. OTHERS think it was quite possible. Of course they cite the actual attack as one bit of evidence of this. This has been done in flight simulators by unskilled pilots.

I don't find that overly complex command and control systems can fail because of any number of issues. The Air Defenses seems to be one which is technology heavy and operationally a mess. Who knows? I would expect huge bureaucracies to work like a Swiss watch.

There are coincidences of events which don't have deep political origins... such as Deep Water Horizon, Fukishima, Katrina etc... and we see the same sort of official "response" behavior. You see all political events as being of deep political origin. ALL? DO you not see any political event which is not?

I don't consider insider trading as coincidence. It indicates some insider knowledge. But there has been evidence that intel was aware of the coming attacks if the following is to be believed (Is this BS or is it true or partially true?):

"The CIA, including George Tenet, Director of the CIA, Cofer Black head of the CTC section at the CIA, and Richard Blee, Chief of the bin Laden unit at the CIA and head of the Renditions unit at the CIA, were aware of the following information on August 22, 2001, when they (CIA officer Margaret Gillespie) informed FBI HQ , including Tom Wilshire Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit, Dina Corsi a FBI IOS agent working for Wilshire in the bin Laden unit under the ITOS unit, that both al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US:

That a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside of the US.

That Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi would take part in this attack, an attack that they had been warned would cause mass US casualties, i.e. kill thousands of Americans.

That the person who was directing this attack was Khalid Sheik Mohammed. This information was given to the CIA on June 12, 2001, according to the 9/11 Commission report. The plan found on Hakim Murad's computer, Khalid Sheiks Mohammed's partner in the Bojinka plot, and that had been given to both the CIA and the FBI was to hijack multiple large commercial aircraft in the US and fly these into the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and the Capital building.

The CIA had been told in the summer of 2001, according to the 9/11 Commission report "that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was recruiting al Qaeda terrorists to link up with other al Qaeda terrorists already in the US, who the CIA knew on August 22, 2001, were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, to carry out this attack.

The CIA had already identified Khalid Sheik Mohammed at the January 5-8, 2000 al Qaeda planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur, along with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and Walid bin Attash, identified after the Cole bombing as one of the main masterminds of the Cole bombing. At the time of this January 2000 al Qaeda planning meeting, KSM already had a two million dollar FBI reward on his head for his role in the 1993 bombing of the WTC towers.

Tenet admitted he found out on August 23, 2001, that Minneapolis FBI had arrested Zacarias Moussaoui on August 15, 2001, while Moussaoui was attempting to take flying lesion on a B747 simulator, without even having a private pilot's license.

This was further corroboration that the plan was to hijack several large commercial airliners and fly these into the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and US Capital building.

This was the information that Tenet had when he flew down to Crawford, Texas on August 24, 2001, for what was described right on the White House web site as a 6 hour long meeting with the President of the United Sates George W Bush.

If Tenet did not give this information to George W Bush then why did he lie about attending this meeting at the April 14, 2004 9/11 Commission public hearings. This interview is found on YouTube below. Tenet had 2 ½ years to prepare for this hearing plus had a detailed calendar of his meeting and even had his staff to prepare him for this meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg

It is clear now that Tenet had deliberately lied to hide the fact that he had attended this meeting with the President of the US after just finding out about Mihdhar and Hazmi being inside of the US and that Moussaoui had been arrested by the FBI. Just knowing about Moussaoui had been arrested should have set off alarm bells in every office of the CIA and White House.

George Tenet, Cofer Back and Richard Blee had just been at the White House on July 10, 2001 going over with Rice, Hadley, and Clarke the large number of warnings the CIA had been receiving about a huge imminent al Qaeda terrorist attack inside of the US that would cause mass casualties. Then he knows that al Qaeda terrorists Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US and the another suspected al Qaeda terrorist, Moussaoui has just been arrested by the FBI.

And why did Tenet, Black and Blee, refuse to give their spy at FBI HQ, Tom Wilshire permission to pass the Kuala Lumpur information to the FBI (the Cole bombing investigators) after Wilshire's request on July 13, and July 23, 2001, requests to pass this information over to the FBI. In his July 23, 2001 request, Wilshire had even identified Khalid al-Mihdhar by name as the al Qaeda terrorist that would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda terrorist attack.

After having this information, they never re-contacted Tom Wilshire to allow him to pass this information to FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, and in fact Wilshire, who was supervising Dina Corsi allowed Corsi to shut down Bongardt investigation when Bongardt found out on August 28, 2001 that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US and wanted to find them before they had time to carry out a massive al Qaeda attack. Corsi told Bongardt that he could not start any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi because of a NSA restriction on a NSA cable in her EC to start an intelligence investigation for these terrorists that described the travel of these terrorists to the meeting where they had planed the Cole bombing with bin Attash. But on August 27, 2001 Corsi had already been given permission to pass this information to Bongardt and his team in New York by the NSA general counsel. When Bongardt protested and said that this NSA information was not connected to any FISA warrant, the only reason he would be denied permission to have this NSA information, he ask if Corsi could get a legal ruling from the NSLU the legal unit at FBI HQ.

Corsi told Bongardt on August 29, 2001 that the lawyers had ruled that he could have no connection to any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi. But the 9/11 commission report stated that the attorney Corsi had contacted, Sherri Sabol, told Corsi on August 28, 2001, that since the information in the NSA cable had no connection to any FISA warrant, Bongardt could take part in any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that he wanted. These two lies doomed almost 3000 people to be murdered by the al Qaeda terrorists on 9/11.

When all of this information was known by the 9/11 Commission, and is now in the public domain, why did they cover this all over and refuse to identify the people and the real reasons the attacks on 9/11 had taken place."


The distinction between LIHOP and MIHOP may not seem significant to many... but it's the difference between knowing criminals are planning a crime and being the criminals who planned and carried it out. Both would be punishable under the law...

I don't understand how terrorist leaders induce suicide bombers to do their bidding, but they do. I can't presume to know what the motives and tactics of the leaders of Islamic extremists are. They clearly want to change the status quo and to do that they have to do SOMETHING. Empires don't consider the rabble's interests in their plans. Gandhi was able to make them pay attention as was MLK... who was offed for it and for raising the consciousness and courage of so many. Perhaps radicals abandoned peaceful non violent protest as ineffective because the protestors would be killed (violently) Occupy didn't fare too well did it? They send in the goon squads and bust it up. Why wouldn't hikjacking planes and targeting icon be a PR victory? Are you aware of how this is viewed by the oppressed Islamic people around the world? They seemed to approve.

Finally, your analysis always defaults to deep state motives of the participants. My approach looked at the possibility of a plane strike and ensuing building collapses. I find that plausible. I don't know who flew the planes... all that sort of "stuff" is outside my expertise. You either accept the facts that planes were hijacked or not. You do know that many planes have been hijacked over the decades and there was a Bojinka plan. Do you consider this part of the deep state to further the strategy of tension... or could it conceivably be a (desperate) tactic of the disenfranchised?

If you're a hammer you see everything as a nail. And I am sorry to say that this is the nature of many confirmation person's bias. I am not a deep politics hammer and so I don't see the world as deep politics. I do see that the elite is self serving and deceptive and criminal... just like the common person, but in a much bigger way with larger consequences. Everything is a conspiracy when you realize that collaboration is who humans work.
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